FBI Nabs Second Suspected LulzSec Hacker on U.S. Soil

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praack

oh i love people who are thankful to these tools

i wish they had to deal with the fallout of the credit card theft i had to deal with from the sony hack.

every time you release personal and finanacial data you lose the high ground. I will not listen to the finger pointing to the company - the release of personal and finanacial information into the hands of other criminal just does not fly.

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buttersoft

And if Sony, keeping that info under plain text, had been hacked by anyone else, you'd be better off? Would you turn on the mechanic who pointed out your car needed fixing, before it fell apart?

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pastorbob

The more of these jerks they bring down the better.

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tony2tonez

When these guys and Anonymous and Wikileaks first came about, i thought of them as stupid anti-everything people. But after reading much on them and what they do, I am starting to wish there were more of them.

The way the US Government tramples over the Constitution and our rights as a American civilians are the ones that really scare me. Now you might agree with all of their practices and things they have done but I for appreciate alof of which they have done to expose people, agencies, and governments for their corruption and illegal activities.

I wish they would continue because other then a actual 'physical revolution' we as Americans are not standing up much to our government and we proceed to let them take more and more freedoms away without a challenge.

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RaptorJohnson

Please list for me your personal experiences with the government trampling on your constitutional rights.

1 Has the government put a gag order on you or prevented you from believing in your religion?
2 Has the government taken your guns away? (ok, New Orleans did this one, but it only halfway counts because it is local gov)
3 Has the government quartered soldiers in your house during peacetime?
4 Has the government searched your house without warrant?
5 Has the government forced you to testify against yourself?
6 Has the government tried you in secret?
7 Has the government denied you a trial by jury in cases involving more then $20?
8 Has the government imposed excessive bail on you? (ok, this one happens quite a bit and it upsets me.)
9 Has the government denied you rights that it allowed other people?
10 --- doesn't really apply to individuals.

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MrHasselblad

Let me take the chance to answer that one in a somewhat brief manner...

Answer to item one: Yes, in Charleston (religion was a major issue in a divorce case). Btw this is now a federal case; most likely going to court this year.

Item two: this one could happen to anyone involved in any type of relationship. Simply "claim" (even without any proof) or even *INFER* domestic violence. And btw it doesn't even have to be literal violence - it can be an infered threat. Guess what happens next in a majority of the american states - weapons gone from property - no due process.

Item four: Neighbors house searched without warrant and also without; probable cause or due process.

Item five: Not personally, but the government can - and has in numerous cases - especially involving the internal revenue service. Might I also mention that a lot of these items do not in fact apply to people willing to lay down their life for their country. The ucmj rules on that one - which also overries the entire constitution.

Item six: Today in america there are literally over two hunder americans being held in secret american prisons - it's called extraordinary rendition - started under Clinton, went really big under Bush, and then continued to an extent by Obama. But then again those latter two presidents also clearly violate the Geneva Conventions - making them war criminals.

Item seven; Not personally, but it happens all of the time - especially in cases involving child support.

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MrHasselblad

Let me take the chance to answer that one in a somewhat brief manner...

Answer to item one: Yes, in Charleston (religion was a major issue in a divorce case). Btw this is now a federal case; most likely going to court this year.

Item two: this one could happen to anyone involved in any type of relationship. Simply "claim" (even without any proof) or even *INFER* domestic violence. And btw it doesn't even have to be literal violence - it can be an infered threat. Guess what happens next in a majority of the american states - weapons gone from property - no due process.

Item four: Neighbors house searched without warrant and also without; probable cause or due process.

Item five: Not personally, but the government can - and has in numerous cases - especially involving the internal revenue service. Might I also mention that a lot of these items do not in fact apply to people willing to lay down their life for their country. The ucmj rules on that one - which also overries the entire constitution.

Item six: Today in america there are literally over two hunder americans being held in secret american prisons - it's called extraordinary rendition - started under Clinton, went really big under Bush, and then continued to an extent by Obama. But then again those latter two presidents also clearly violate the Geneva Conventions - making them war criminals.

Item seven; Not personally, but it happens all of the time - especially in cases involving child support.

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tony2tonez

@ MrHasselblad & dstevens. Thank you. That is exactly what I was going for. Some people do even bother to look at the world today; to see what is happening. These are the sample people that think the government will come help them out in the next disaster, then complain when they don't.

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dstevens

The government may not have targeted any one of us directly, but there are several instances where liberties, freedom of choice, and civil rights are violated on a regular basis.

Ever bought insurance? Now its a law for both vehicle and medical.
Ever taken an airplane? That 6 year old girl with TSA hands in her pants has.
Ever been on public property? Prolly not since all public property is now considered federal property.
Ever known a gay person? Ever known someone who needed an abortion for a legitimate reason?
Ever paid unconstitutional taxes?
Remember bailing out the banks?(who gets free money from the fed to begin with)
There are laws that state that for no reason other than they think you might be a terrorist you can be arrested, monitored electronically, GPS tracked, bank accounts frozen, detained indefinately or even assassinated etc...
The U.N. is working to take guns away currently and the us is in line to sign up for it.
Ave you not seen the reports of military exercises training for deployment on u.s. soil?
You can even now testify against yourself since texts and emails no longer need a warrant to b aquired and used in court.
Have you ever seen anyone get in trouble legally for antisemetisism? But they can call us anything they like..
Have you seen Goldman sucks pay police to illegaly arrest protesters?

I think I've slammed all your empty points pretty completely...

Your small limited view of the world is appaling you sheeple. Go to the nearest prozac salt lick for treatment soon!

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Eagle70ss

See National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA)..section 1021 primarily.

One can easily be detained without trail for an indefinite period of time..

http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/obama-signs-into-law-indefinite-detention-of-americans-without-trial?news=843828

Although there is some argument on how far the wording can be stretched, there is little doubt this is a dangerous provision. Clearly we still retain most rights, but the question is how long can we hold them.

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zNelson24

There is more to The Constitution than The Bill of Rights, and the other Amendments.

While I haven't had any run ins with law enforcement in which my civil rights were blatantly violated (I don't live in a big town with civil government participation), that doesn't mean that it doesn't go on.

There have been crackdowns on protests, there have been gag orders, and religious discrimination. That is just few of the injustices that go on in this country.

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RaptorJohnson

No, my point was I would like to no longer hear vague claims, but instead hear how we have been individually and actually brutalized by this oppressive state people claim we live in.

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Khoiboi

The point of law is setting precedence. With the SOPA Act, a lot of people were against it, but there was no previous incidents to which they could quantify the amount of damage that SOPA could have caused, but that didn't matter. Patriot Act? Stolen Valor Act? So many acts getting repealed or amended because they CAN cause problems - when something actually arises that CAUSES a problem, it'll be too late. The whole Apple v. Samsung case right now creates a precedence for future injunctions set by people like Apple - to sue based off of simple designs. To repeal a previous verdict, i.e. retroactively say that the verdict for the Apple v. Samsung case is wrong, is a LOT harder than to prevent it from happening in the first page.

So if you find yourself in a position where the government forced you to house soldiers in your house, there's nothing you can do about it at that point. They could amend whatever laws that caused that to happen, but you, as a citizen, would have been f****d already and they want to avoid setting precedence.

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Strangelove_424

You're appealing to ignorance. It's a fallacy of logic.

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TerribleToaster

Besides the fact that LulzSec has done little to "expose" anything that wasn't already known about the activities of some groups. Nothing they have "exposed" has been illegal.

It is also not true that Americans have been taking crap from their government lying down. Or perhaps you missed the whole "occupy movement".

Other than that, I must point out to you, that when writing, try to make sure that when you intend to use a negative modifier (such "not"), you do actually use it and that their "methods" was to be assholes. Because they were assholes. And they intended (and did) nothing other than to inconvenience many innocent people.

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tony2tonez

OWS just a fade. They were just after the rich and any right wing company, they were not after the government and any of their policies.
They had little impact and once the winter came in last year there were no where to be seen. As I stated i did not agree with everything these groups did, yes there were innocent and inconvenience caused by such. But if you look deeper Anonymous had a bigger impact on the events that took place around the world in the past year.

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Strangelove_424

Wikileaks and LulzSec are two wildly different animals. Whistleblowing is not hacking. One organization aims to make war crimes, corporate corruption, and civic graft widespread knowledge. The other is not even an organization, but a random assortment of glorified punters who spend their days perturbing corporations who locked down their insolent tech-toys and game consoles. They have no deep perspectives on history, civilization, or ethics. They use a silly mask from a mediocre movie to rationalize purely retributive actions. There is no democracy or revolution at play here. I hate the military industrial complex and its parasitic corporations as well, but instead of taking down the biggest and most powerful snake pits like BofA and Lehmans, the hacking groups aim for chicken shit networks like Playstation and JSTOR. They're kids, and it’s obvious they haven’t grown up yet.

EDIT: It occurred to me that Alan Moore wrote the original V for Vendetta before it got turned into a "mediocre movie". Though I have not read the original V for Vendetta graphic novel, I have read many of Alan Moore's other works and he is an extraordinarily genius writer. I am sure the original version of V for Vendetta is genius as well, and I would like to sincerely appologize to Alan Moore and/or any Alan Moore fans for calling V for Vendetta a "medicore movie". It is a mediocre movie adapted from what is most likely a genius graphic novel. Alan Moore was the greatest comic book writer of all time, and his name and original works (unmolested by Hollywood) deserve massive respect. This, however, does not change my opinion that the hacker groups are really a bunch of whiny kids who are grasping at straws to justify selfish and retributive action.

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vrmlbasic

"According to the indictment, Rivera took part in the breach by helping to post confidential information onto LulzSec's website, and then drew attention to the hack by announcing it on Twitter."

So this guy is just a Lulzsec lackey, not one of the "actual hackers" involved with the group?

I hope that they have evidence of him doing more than this, otherwise he's being arrested for editing a website and posting tweets. Almost as bad as the Brit who got arrested during the Olympics for "offensive tweeting".

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TerribleToaster

Did I not call this?

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iheartpcs

All "hackers" are cowards.

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Master__shake

all generalizations are true...

see how stupid it sounds when it comes from someone else...

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iheartpcs

I'm pretty sure everything you say sounds stupid.

I wasn't generalizing, I was very specific. There is no such thing as a brave hacker.

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Master__shake

what about this??

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=4863

or this http://rt.com/usa/news/dhs-crack-video-game-624/

all generalizations are true though...moron

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iheartpcs

lol wow. So because corrupt government agencies are hiring these cowards, you think they are brave heroes now?

You think it's a good, noble thing for them to be spying on everybody? I bet you're looking forward to the day when, while playing COD, some 15 year old shoots you in the face and you call him a "pussy" and your Xbox gets disabled by DHS. I'm disappointed that you think giving the government complete control over us all is a good thing. lol yes, hackers are making the world a better place...for the people in charge anyways.

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Master__shake

do you happen to own an unlocked cellphone? with lets say a custom rom or maybe not factory firmware?

have you ever owned a modded console??

ever used a windows pc??

reverse engineering is equal to hacking just with a fancier name...

(windows pc: Bill gates hacked apples os and stole the code...)

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Khoiboi

How so? This seems like a rather vapid and prejudiced comment.

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iheartpcs

By hiding in their hideouts, committing crimes against humanity. By hurting the average person while claiming to be hurting corporations. By randomly attacking small business websites in the name of "security". By ratting out theirs friends when the get caught. By hiding behind masks because they are embarrassed with what they do.

Do you understand now?

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buttersoft

Omfg you're an idiot. So white hat hackers are just the same as black hat hackers? If you only meant black-hats, i doubt most of us on here would define Lulzsec as black hat. What did they do for personal gain? If black hats had figured out what lulzsec did, the result would have been far worse. And Sony wouldn't have told ANYONE, EVER. Look at their track record, ffs.

But lulzsec are also just kids, and when the FBI leans on them what do you expect to happen? It's like the worst case of cyber bullying imaginable, and some wonderful hypocrisy to behold.

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iheartpcs

Like, omfg, yer sooo cool. I would never have known I was an idiot without some stranger on the internet telling me. I bet you know some hackers, right? Does it make you feel big to say you know someone, who knows someone, who knows someone, who saw a REAL LIFE hacker!

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