FBI Investigating 4chan "Anonymous" DDoS Attacks

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tfox

Absolutely not. While I do not agree with Anonymous’s methods, I do agree with their goals and intent. And I support their right to civil disobedience. I have no sympathy what so ever for the feds or anti-piracy groups. They have brought this trouble on themselves. If the feds and anti-piracy groups had any integrity at all, they would have limited their activities to targeting actual pirates. Instead they spend their time and resources targeting honest consumers. They have willingly made themselves an enemy to everyone and they deserve to be treated as such.

As to Anonymous's methods, I have no problem with the idea of using DDoS attacks. I would happily join them in these attacks if I thought the attacks were strategically sound. The fact is, they are little more than a nuisance. The feds would have you believe that these attacks cost millions. The reality is that a DDoS attack is somewhat complicated to pull off. A good DDoS attack requires research, time and multiple participants who are well organized and mobile. Even a half baked network can resolve a DDoS attack in six minutes or less if their IT staff is remotely competent. The solution can be as simple as cycling a switch or as complicated as routing to a different server and blocking IPs. Any organization that claims to have suffered real harm from a DDoS attack is either incompetent or a liar. My point is that Anonymous completely wasted their time and did nothing to further their goals. If the feds are so anxious to take action against Anonymous then they should save their time and the tax payers money by simply calling a press conference to publicly ridicule them for being so absurdly foolish.

If anyone with Anonymous is paying attention. You are making complete fools of yourselves. If you have an ounce of intelligence between the lot of you, then you will get together and devise a real workable solution that prevents piracy and protects consumer rights. Next, you will find programmers who can apply your solution and prove that it works. Finally, you will make the solution available free of charge to the whole world. And, if you are in the mood, ridule every idiot who didn’t have the good sense to something like this in the first place.

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Ghok

Of course the government is going to protect those who fund it. I just hope they realize there are plenty of people who don't like the current state of copywrite law.

Should members of Anonymous be prosecuted? Yes, but for mischief and nothing more. If we're talking about DDoS attacks, that's all they're doing.

 

 

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knighttoday

No, I don't think they should be prosocuted but realistically speaking, if they are caught they will be. If one stands back far enough from this there is a legit reason for such groups. This country started with 'freedom fighters' who at that time were seen as law breakers. It comes down to the 'truth" of the individual. Some of us still think America is fine and government is really looking after our best interests and some of us don't. I personally appreciate what Anonymous is doing and don't see them as just trying to justify stealing. They, as I, see a public service (the internet which has used tax dollors to get where it is) being turned into a shill for profiteering companies who really careless about the public good.

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D00dlavy

The majority of this thread is a failure of comprehension.

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zepontiff

Yes they should be prosecuted. They broke the law. If they can be caught. :)

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k11k

Hacker do what they do to get notice. FBI does it to make it look like they are doing something. Once in a while, we get a showdown like in the old west. To bad for us we are the bystander that get hit with all the miss shots. Sure one will go down, only after taking a few bystander with them.

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Wareagle

Are they stupid?  This will be what does them in.

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whyyes123

Nope, sorry.

The government is fighting a losing battle. The more people that get arrested over this, the more widespread the attacks will become. If you've studied how humans and Anonymous as a whole operate you would see this.

There's already enough hate for the MPAA, RIAA and copy wrong. This will just rally the troops.

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mesiah

Thats big talk. The average person talks shit and gives grief on the internet because they are anonymous. 99% of these people wouldn't dare step up in public and cause a scene. As soon as prison sentences start being handed out it becomes real. It may incite more of the hard core side to act out, but it will surely deter the average person from following suit. Most people aren't going to run the legitimate risk of federal prison time just to make a statement about copy right law.

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GaryIKILLYOU

"the legitimate risk of federal prison time just to make a statement about copy right law."...

 

WELLLLLL seeing as how that right there is all kinds of illegal thanks to my friend the first amendment, the government is getting too big for their britches. The Constitution states that when the government starts becoming a problem for the people, that we have a right to change, or ever demolish the current government, and replace it. That doesn't mean grab your gun and head off to Washington... not entirely... If government gets bad to where that happens well then by all means action will be taken... 96% of all governmental rebellions were supported by said country's armed forces, but more-so it means we can voice how we feel about things with the one VERY powerful weapon we have... Voting. However since most Americans are either too lazy, too stupid, or don't care about the way their country is run, the minority ends up running the country because the minority is the people WHO GO OUT AND VOTE!!! 

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whyyes123

What you people don't realize is, the internet was created for file sharing in its purest form. People as human beings have an instinct to share, we are taught from a young age that sharing is caring. The 'darknet' and 'pirates' have begun to take over and that train is just gaining momentum the more people get busted.

But honestly, ARRESTING A FEW TEENAGERS TO USE AS A SCARE TACTIC WON'T WORK. TO GET RID OF FILE SHARING YOU'D HAVE TO DESTROY ALL HARDDRIVES AND BACKUPS EVER MADE WITH 'ILLEGAL' CONTENT ON THEM.

The whole concept of intellectual rights is complete BS. Sure it may exist, but these super corporations are more concerned with money than the artists half of the time. When was the last time any of you actually looked at how much they make off of one movie? This is a pirating generation and nothing is going to stop that :) once we grow up and begin to take power in government I guarantee, this will all disappear.

I for one would be willing to go out into the streets and fight for my rights. Censorship is the very opposite of democracy.

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GaryIKILLYOU

"DESTROY ALL HARDDRIVES AND BACKUPS EVER MADE WITH 'ILLEGAL' CONTENT ON THEM."

 

Even that won't work, people will still have a desire to gain free stuff, which is where vigilante people come in under anonymous and make everything you've done, undone! So its a loosing battle!

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Zachary K.

in what way is that first amendment? are you talking about the right to pirate? no, because that copyright and nothing to do with first amendment. people have the right to protect what they created. (though it really bugs me when people take advantage of it, like trying to copyright :), or the idea of MMO) 

or are you talking about peoples right to DDOS? that cant be it because that is an attack on someone property. in fact, you are denying them THEIR first amendment right by DDOSing their website.

as for voting, yes go out and vote. just be sure to research who your voting for and don't just go by what the ads say. but i doubt anyone going into a government office will support theft, which is what piracy is. theft form the people that worked hard to create what you are taking.

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Zachary K.

whatcha gonna do when they come for you?

seriously, the internet as the wild west needs to stop. who likes the wild west anyway? it took months to get anywhere and half of the people died on the way.

even if they only get a quarter of them, it will send the message that your actions have repercussions, there is no such thing as anonymous, they can trace it back to you with enough time and effort. they are simply people who got whatever they wanted from their parents and think that is ok to take whatever they want, its outright theft, and wrong.

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whyyes123

Enough of this heresy.

They invented proxies, MAC changers, and Data Nukers for a reason. Any user who isn;t careful deserves to be busted :P

 

By the way. The internet IS the only place you're still free. It's shocking how much the government is trying to control these days. They won't win though.

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LatiosXT

Actually that'd be a remote place in the world called Antartica, where nobody really cares about the millions of penguins. 8D

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whyyes123

Wow really....

They're not going to persecute hundreds and possibly thousands of DDoSers. It's all about preventing censorship and the bullshit in the world, if they could see this they may find themselves on our side.

I do not plan to stop supporting and participating in Anonymous any time soon.

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machew100

1. Good thing the justice system can't handle a shit ton of DDoS attack court cases anyways
2. Long live the internet as the wild west.

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PCIV

I don't know if the sensationalism is intentional, but the 30 month sentence was for DDoS, taking down a whole university's network by accident, and for stealing "credit card account numbers, card holders social security numbers, and information pertaining to their personal bank accounts.", taken from your own source.

I don't know about you, but I seriously doubt that every single person on 4chan who participated would get 30 months.

 

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ShadowDragoonFTW

You, sir, have some serious issues.

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