nightkiller

June 14, 2009 at 6:42pm

It seems to me you need to up your dosage of gingko biloba to enhance your memory. Both Firefox and Opera have their own problems with security, particularly Opera. Third party add-ins are a big plus in Firefox but a lot of them suffer from crappy code syndrome (http://www.infoworld.com/d/security-central/test-center-how-secure-firefox-282?page=0,3). So take your pick. Get a browser that is secure, provides timely updates for practical issues and integrates seamlessly into an operating system that is used by 93% of the planet, get chic with a Mac for 5% or do all of your email and browsing with the other 3 million distributions involved in a pissing match to see who can find a new location to store a library file and break the system.

I would also like to point out that Firefox did not need to go crying to the DOJ or the EU Commission to get to where it is, warts and all. Competition has been good for both IE and Firefox. Opera? As one site points out, Opera is the only browser in the lot that you have to pay for and it has an astonishing .73 percent market share. Opera was also the firm that was behind the EU Commission complaint. Seems to me that even if no browser is included in EU Windows distributions, most freetards are not going to shell out for something that takes a dog's age to patch and ain't so hot on the rendering side either.

You choose a flightless bird as a mascot and wonder why it doesn't take off?

k11k

June 13, 2009 at 11:11am

So many complaints, but for what? So MS put THIER browser on THIER OS. If your so stupid to not know how to unistall IE than don't complain. Its not like its super hard or you can just install another browser and leave it at that. If you hate IE that much there plenty of other browser out there. Those who complain about why its not package with other browsers, use some common sense. By packaging it together you get the problem of regular people calling MS why Firefox just crash. Its not their browser so why should they be the support for it. Its the poeple at Firefox to make it work with Windows not the other way around. I'm so tired of people crying my Window crashes. Its not that Window crash, its that program "you" installed that made Window crash. Same can be said to all the other OS out there. I have computers running every one even that worthless SUN java OS. Every tried to make a OS crash with out the extra progam you install? You can't it runs smooth, till you add a Virus protection, java, adobe, etc. I'll state this one more time .

Spider-Mom

June 12, 2009 at 8:52pm

Microsoft makes their own OS and their own browser. If ppl didnt want an OS
that comes with the worlds most used browser they could just buy Macs. Alls this does is force an S ton of ppl to have to DL it who are just going to use it any way. Its not like it matters since im sure all new versions of 7 in Europe will just have an update popup that DLs it anyway.

Why doesnt Europe get rid of notepad, Disk Defragmenter, and Windows Time to? There are programs for the computer that can tell time and have a calandar, MS is hurting real people by bundeling a calandar and clock! The picture and fax viewer is runining lives over in Europe! If it didnt come with windows ppl would be forced to priate products from a local European company! If only there were no Windows Picture and Fax Viewer! The world would be so much kinder!

 

 

Might as well have left the Soviets in power over there. Ied really like to know who these poor starving browser developers are in Europe who need to have big brother take care of MS. Lord knows there are no other browsers used here in the US cause big bad MS bundles their own!

 
Look at the world around you. Where would we be today if not for MS? How many super nerds have gotten their leggs on MS? If it was on another free distro you can bet they did it partly to spite MS and therefor still have something to owe them. I really think that at this point in time MS has done more good for the world than the idiotic EU ever could. I really dont give a damn if my power comes from the sun or baby seal oil, as long as its powering my hotrod WINDOWS based PC. Even if its not using IE.

wk

June 12, 2009 at 12:55pm

all of this can be avoided if MS make their OS installation customizable, like many other softwares, i don't think it is difficult to give consumer option to install or not any Windows component during the intial installation procedure. that way no one can complain of monopoly etc.

if user don't want to install IE, Windows Media Player, or even Paint  then give him a choice, simple isn't it?!!

MPC is my home page

LordPyro

June 12, 2009 at 11:53am

I agree with you 100%, including your political views :)

Balgaroo

June 12, 2009 at 11:47am

Ok, so I'm not going to join in about whether it should be allowed or not, or how people hate the EU counsel, or how much they dislike IE and WMP, or their view on Obama and the definition of socialist.  I just want to ask one question.

How would people get onto the net after initial install.  I know that the majority of people that post here have backups of their preferred browser.  But what about the little old lady, (none computer literate people) that buy their brand new E-Machine from a local store and it has no browser on it.  How do they get online?  Will Microsoft include a basic text browser, or will they be "good enough" to the customer to include a little popup that says in order to get online u should download IE8. There's a nice loop whole for you.  Maybe they can go the highest rout that  I can see and offer a list of every browser out there with a fair description of each? Yeah, I can see that happening.

All I'm saying is that when I install an OS for Linux, Windows, or Leopard I use the default browser to get Chrome and Firefox.  (Sorry Ilike the sleekness of Chrome but I still use old faithful when I need it)

Lastly, what about updates, last I remember the only way to updated Windows was with IE, did they change something?  I would not know, some things I just do not pay attention to.   

...OK two questions. 

 

Cache

June 12, 2009 at 11:25am

Let's consider the following monetary involvement:

EU:  Millions of dollars spent gathering data, assemblying legal action, prosecuting Microsoft

Microsoft:  Millions of dollars in defense.  Billions of dollars in penalties.

 

 

     ...all for internet browsers that are completely and totally free of charge.

byteme

June 12, 2009 at 7:59am

Why is it alright for Apple to provide their own browser with their own OS
but not Microsoft? I find that Apple is more monopolistic than Microsoft.
Apple controls the hardware and software. Don’t see the EU complaining about
that.

I also think Opera should just shut up. The browser is at the bottom of
the browser pile and has contributed to a lot of its own downfall. Opera is like a
little spoil brat that doesn't think he got enough play time in a game,
and wants mommy / daddy to complain to the coach. Funny Firefox is an alternative
browser and has had no problem gaining popularity in the browser wars. Opera,
maybe you might want to look in your own back yard for what ails ya.

Sound like the EU needs to get a clue and a little computer savvy. Soon every
EU country will have to be doing the goose step or be fined. Who knows, with
the U.S. President and the Leftist in Congress, we too may become the United
Socialist of America or Obomination. Can’t wait till the 4 years is up, or soon
I may be paying for every poorly run company, greedy union, deadbeat, and illegal
in this country.

Seana7a7

June 12, 2009 at 7:37am

Gets your facts right the EU has very little power this is about all they can do.

 

rseding91

June 12, 2009 at 7:35am

"[IE related] security holes"

What security holes? do you have a list? or do you just like to  bash IE?

I Jedi

June 12, 2009 at 7:20am

I'm sorry, how does anti-trust/competitive fuck Microsoft in this case? The browser was developed by Microsoft and the operating system is clearly developed also by Microsoft. So, how can the EU threaten MS for bunding their own software in their own OS???? I fucking hate the EU council. I think Microsoft should pull out of the EU market. Even if it hurts them, at least they won't be slammed with hefty fines by an intolerant EU.

Cache

June 12, 2009 at 6:59am

Nothing would make me happier than to see EU folks screaming that they have no web browser to get on the internet to download a web browser they prefer.  Seriously.  The lulz would be heard around the world.

And the best part is that the EU made it all nice and legal.  And no, MS should NOT include a 'variety of alternative browsers' because they could never guarantee beyond a shadow of a doubt that it would be fully compatible with the latest installmant of an MS operating system.  They could never guarantee a current and updated browser.  Granted, that never stopped IE6 from being shipped out God knows how many millions of times...but they are not obligated to include a browser--after all, the OS works just fine.  Let the EU figure out how to get people online.

Morete

June 12, 2009 at 6:28am

European Union regulators said Friday that Microsoft Corp. was offering less choice, not more, by vowing to sell the next version of Windows without any Web browsers at all

Now the EU is complaining that Windows operating systems without a browser offers no real choice.  It Looks like the EU just shot themselves in the foot.  

Microsoft said Thursday that it would remove its Internet Explorer browser — and not include any alternatives — in the Windows 7 software it will sell from Oct. 22 in Europe to soothe EU antitrust concerns.

But the European Commission said it preferred to see consumers offered a choice of browser "not that Windows would be supplied without a browser at all." "Rather than more choice, Microsoft seems to have chosen to provide less," the EU said.  A "must carry" option that would offer several browsers was a better option, the EU executive suggested, because "consumers should be provided with a genuine choice of browsers" on the software that manufacturers install on computers.

Now the EU is blaming Microsoft for not offering choice just after the EU themselves told Microsoft to take their browser out of the OS download, and they will probably require Microsoft to install a ballot screen to vote on which browser to download. 

Thank goodness I don't live in this EU dictatorship that doesn't think things through before they make decisions.

comptech08

June 12, 2009 at 6:04am

i still dont see why it is wrong for Microsoft to have there OWN internet browser in their OWN operating system.  And in no way is that anti-trust either.  EU is power hungry and getting dangerous.

Denis63

June 12, 2009 at 5:37am

So... how do people get on the internet to download firefox? I use IE to literally kill itself on my computer, i like it :)

If theres no IE, does that mean that there will be no [IE related] security holes?

MeTo

June 12, 2009 at 5:18am

I wish i could get a copy of Win 7 with no IE no media center no media player and no auto indexing and no auto defraging. These are the things i don't like about Vista.

Linux Mint,Dual boot/Vista,AMD Athlon+ x2 5600,3 Gig ram,500 Gig HDD,ATI 1300 Video.