E3 2013: Playstation 4 to Undercut Xbox One by $100

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crazyglue

PS3 FTW.

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Matt355

One thing that bothers me is no more Gamefly. So if I want to rent games on the XBone I cant. No more trying out a game to see if I like it. or if its a short game I can't just blow through it and send it back. Of the 30 Xbox games I still own plus full download games. None are transferable or playable on the new XBone. So if I have to start fresh the playstation looks much better. I can still rent games and have $100 to spend towards the ones I want.

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Edwincnelson

IF Sony want's to put no restrictions on the resale of physical disks I suppose that's great. On the other hand if I was a developer and was looking to maximize profit on my work and have the option to maintain more control over it, even as an indie dev, I imagine Microsoft's plan may be very attractive. I wonder in the long run if that doesn't hurt Sony's ability to court more exclusive titles from the larger companies.

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big_montana

I do not not understand why everyone is getting so bent out of shape over MS entire digital gaming model. This has been the driving force for years in the PC gaming world, think Steam for one, and I have not heard this reaction regarding PC gaming, so why for the Xbox One? Now instead of buying your games from Gamestop (not that anyone would)or Best Buy all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

Now not all games at launch will be available this way but it is moving that way for the One, while the PS4 is stuck in the old physical disc model. Which console will it be cheaper, and more profitable, to develop for, one that requires disc based media or one that you have the option as a dev to either create disc based or cloud based content for? In this case the One wins handily. And not just the One, but PC Gaming benefits as well since the One is X86 so it should be easier to develop for both platforms, while PS4 owners wait longer to get their releases, if at all. And in theory this should drive prices down.

For those complaining about not being able to resell their games, can you do that with games you purchase from Steam? Didn't think so, so quit your whining already.

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Camerone

Man, I must be hitting the sauce too hard. It sounds like you're saying the PS4, which features an x86 AMD cpu, isn't x86.

But longer development times for disc based games? What are YOU smoking lol? No cloud based content for said games? Guess I must've been in freaking NARNIA for the past several years, cuz their 360s had DOWNLOADABLE content for their DISC BASED GAMES.

Posters nowadays -.-

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John Pombrio

SONY HAS to do well with the PS4. The company barely eked out a profit last year after 5 years of huge losses. They sold their headquarters buildings in NYC and Tokyo (like AMD sold their headquarters) to keep going.
SONY has said in press releases that their movie division and the PS4 sales would be the driving force for profitability in the coming year. Both of these are very fickle in comparison to TVs and computers.
There is also talk of spinning off the entertainment business or perhaps selling it off to help the company's finances.

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CaptainFabulous

Wow, all the idiot commenters are out in full force today. We coming up on a full moon or something?

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Renegade Knight

You should already know that answer.

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Cregan89

$399 without the PS Eye... So while it's $100 cheaper, it doesn't match feature for feature. And you have to pay for online multiplayer with the PS4 as well.

And in my opinion, if you're not making the PS Eye a mandatory accessory, you may as well not make it all. If the game developer can't guarantee that the player has it, they can't possibly build a convincing game experience around it. Same thing with the Azure Cloud integration in Xbox Live. Sony claimed "Cloud compute coming in 2014!", which was so obviously a "feature tack on". I think Microsoft had a better vision with the Xbox One and I think it has potential for a better overall experience.

With that being said, MS really f'ed themselves with the whole used game / always online stuff. Even if they announced a complete turnaround on the whole thing today, the damage is already done. I was leaning towards the Xbox, but gamers made a big deal out of that stuff, and when it comes to console gaming, it's best to go where everybody else goes. So I'm taking a wait and see approach on this one.

You think Microsoft would have realized how important public perception is after Windows Vista and Windows 8... I have nothing against Steve Ballmer, but how that man still has his job is beyond me.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

He is deeply entrenched. Despite the massive damage he's done to Microsoft brands, he continues to mock his detractors and spew the same old condescending bullshit.

What business school teaches that it's better to bully consumers than improve your products?

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wumpus

Presumably Bill Gates doesn't really believe that MS is going to make any money outside of Windows and Office. As long as Balmer & Co keep making token gestures to convince the press that they still have any relevance outside of their little niches, who really cares? Seriously, Bill Gates is still chairman of the board and who is going to question his vision of how Microsoft should be run? As long as Balmer is willing to keep milking those two cash cows he is going to stay CEO. If there was any other plan he would have been gone years ago.

Bill may have shed is old "biggest villain in computing" persona to "worldwide leader in 3rd world lives saved", but I'm sure he would move quick to save Microsoft from any trouble he saw (and removing CEOs is standard procedure for chairmen).

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vrmlbasic

That hard drive looks pretty sad. Hybrid technology to accelerate it? Is it still upgradeable?

In the 4 TB era, it's pretty brazen to call 500 GB a "large" drive.

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jgottberg

The size is proportionate to the data being stored on it. 500GB is quite large considering it's only going to hold game saves, game data and maybe some music. I installed a 1TB drive in my PS3... I have 27 games on it, a handful of ripped BR's and some photos and there is still over 800GB free.

Of course its not going to come with a 2TB drive or PC equivalent, it's not being used in the same way.

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vrmlbasic

" 500GB is quite large considering it's only going to hold game saves, game data and maybe some music."

The PS4 games have the potential to take up much more space on install than do the old PS3 games. 100 GB discs are now a reality with the PS4. Their drive can only hold the raw data of 5 of their new BDs...

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jgottberg

Please tell me you aren't really making that argument. It makes zero sense and you know it.

Current games are only between 10-15GB now on BR discs with the potential to be 50GB but the games just aren't that big. I'd love for you to show me a 100GB game. Even if they did make a game that large, do you REALLY think you'd copy the entire game to the drive? Do you realize how long that would take? If you are going to hate on consoles, do it in places it makes sense. This argument doesn't apply.

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redfoot12

Also, like the PS3, the PS4's hard drive is upgradable so if 500GB isn't enough, you can install a larger drive or an SSD drive (if you prefer).

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redfoot12

nvm

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HouseFoxx

If these were gaming PCs, I'd buy neither of them, considering anybody can go to iBUYPOWER and get a good gaming rig custom-built for around the same price. 25,600 games released as independent titles not counting online games and different versions of the same game? Win.

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TheFrawg

I'm a dedicated PC gamer, and do like to share the wonders and bargains of cheap PCs. However in this case, the cheapest I could piece together on ibuypower.com was $439 with a pretty weak AMD APU. That setup came with 2x500gb drives (the 2nd was free) and 8gb of ram.

On the other hand, buy a $550 system (which will out power the PS4) and a handful of games on steam and gog and you're ahead of the people who buy a PS4 + a few accessories + a few games.

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Arnulf

Really, what kind of "good gaming rig" (gaming PC with more oomph than PS4) can you buy for $400 ?

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wumpus

Try $500. And that won't buy you all the GPU the PS4 has (you will have more CPU, though I'm less sure with the A4).

GPU: AMD 7850: $225 (you might want to cheat and go with a <$150 7770 like the Xbone did, but don't expect PS4 performance).
replace with $140 650 Ti (not quite the same, but close enough for the price).
CPU: AMD FX 6300 motherboard bundle from microcenter: $120 (this was the cheapest thing other than single core celeries. Will blow away the PS4/Xbone on CPU, but you really can't buy much cheaper and get any power at all. No idea if "bundled motherboard" will last as long as a PS4, or even a RROD prone model 360.).
500GB hard drive: $60 (really, spring for the $70 1TB model)
Case $50 (cheap but functional, and not nearly as ugly as below)
Power supply $40 (Antec basiq, hopefully high enough quality. I hate cheaping out on power supplies. Rated a tad higher than the Corsair below, but both were bought by brand name).
OEM win7 ~$100 (you weren't planning on limiting yourself to steam on linux, were you)?
dvd $20 (I don't think gog.com is all downloadable, maybe you don't need it)
keyboard mouse $20. I really should put a blueray here to match the ps4.
monitor - ignored (assume that you plug your HDMI output into the same display that the PS4 would use).

I get $500 (plus either tax or shipping for most folks)
Ibuypower came up with the following for $625 (cough up $10 more for the 1TB hard drive, same as above). Both systems' video card isn't quite up to the PS4's, even before the developers sweat to optimize for that one GPU. I just can't justify the ~$85 for the right one.
1 x Case ( AZZA Armour Gaming Case - Blue )
1 x Processor ( AMD A4-5300 APU (2x 3.40GHz/1MB L2 Cache) )
1 x Processor Cooling ( Certified CPU Fan and Heatsink )
1 x Memory ( 4 GB [4 GB X1] DDR3-1600 Memory Module - Corsair or Major Brand )
1 x Video Card ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 - 2GB -FREE Upgrade to NVIDIA GTX650 Ti )
1 x Motherboard ( ASRock FM2A75 Pro4 -- 6x USB3.0, 1x eSATA-III 6Gb/s )
1 x Power Supply ( 430 Watt - Corsair CX430 V2 )
1 x Primary Hard Drive ( 500 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s - Single Drive )
1 x Optical Drive ( 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive - Black )
1 x Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )
1 x Network Card ( Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100) )
1 x Operating System ( Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium + Office Starter 2010 (Includes basic versions of Word and Excel) - 64-Bit )
1 x Keyboard ( iBUYPOWER Standard Gaming Keyboard - FREE Upgrade to A4Tech Blue LED Backlit Gaming Keyboard ($19 value) )
1 x Mouse ( iBUYPOWER Standard Gaming Mouse - Blood Red )
1 x Warranty ( 3 Year Standard Warranty Service )

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jgottberg

I pre-ordered mine today. At that price point, it's a no brainer.

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MAIZE1951

I Will order an PS4 also, as I don't want an gaming system that you have to thrash about the room like an fool, or like flagging down an taxi in New York City.

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jgottberg

lol!! :)

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definingsound

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3ut3ta/

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xRadeon

Anyone else think that it looks like an IBM ThinkCentre? Haha.

Meh, I don't really care about consoles, but I have preordered my Xbox One. I like everything it can do. :)

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Formedras

My thought wasn't ThinkCentre, but rather a different IBM computer: Deep Blue.

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Biceps

Like how it can watch you and judge your emotions in the dark because of its always-on camera? And how it can prevent you from sharing or trading games? I think you are a sucker, at any price-point.

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xRadeon

How it that different from what the current kinect is? I've never sold any of my games in my entire life, soooo I don't care about that. And actually I'm used to having a huge library of games kind of like Steam. Now Steam you can sell games, but unlike Xbox, Steam gets a cut of the sale. So yeah, I'm a sucker, but I'm going to enjoy being a sucker and having my awesome feature filled console.

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Paper Jam

But it's watching you. And I know MS said that it won't, but how often do companies change their TOS after they get you hooked into their services? The Kinect was the deal breaker for me. It's Big Brother.

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kerndaddy

me and the wife skipped the playstation 3 and bought 360's. this time though, we're going to buy the playstation 4 and we'll be skipping the xbox one nine eight four. as much as we want to be watched constantly over the Kinect by the NSA, we're going to have to go with the lower priced playstation.

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Renegade Knight

Laptops are going to start coming with little camera sliders so you can enjoy some privacy. Most cameras should come with that these days. Besides it protects the lense/cover for better pictures and video when you do need it.

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big_montana

Do you own laptops, tablets, smartphones? They have cameras and an always on internet. Just turn the Kinect so it is facing wall to secure your privacy if you are that paranoid.

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kerndaddy

i'll pass thanks.

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wolfing

just preordered mine in Amazon, just in case they start charging taxes before release date

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John Pombrio

Sorry, Amazon will only BILL you when the product ships. Here in CT, Amazon is starting to charge state sales tax in the fall, so Tigerdirect for me. Not for the PS4 tho, my sons never ever used the PS3.

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Carpnter

500GB is a very large hard drive? Maybe back in 2005 when it first came out. Now it is pretty much a minimum size you'll see in an off the shelf computer.
Had they said 1.5TB then they could claim is was very large.

That being said, Sony and the PS4 just embarassed MS and the Xbox One.

Microsoft made every possible mistake they could make with this system and they are going to pay dearly for it if they don't make changes.

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vrmlbasic

I have to agree with this. 500 GB is puny, especially when even current BDs are 25-50 GB and the PS4 claims to have a 100GB BD drive. Assuming that the data on the BDs isn't compressed, that could be as few as 5 games installed on the HDD.

Does the HDD have any sort of hybrid technology to make it go faster or is it just a generic 500 drive? Is it still upgradeable?

In the era of 4 TB drives, 500 GB is an insult and labeling 500 GB as "large" is a bald-faced lie.

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Arnulf

Where can I buy some of these 4 TB 2.5" drives you're talking about ?

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vrmlbasic

Sigh. Straw man technique yet again.

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Arnulf

You are as dumb as a straw-man ? Gosh, I think you're right on that one.

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captainjack

I haven't had the time to look at all of sony's E3 presentation but I'm pretty sure that you wont have to fully install the games on the ps4. This makes the ps4's 500gb drive much better than the Xbox One's simply because the entire game has to be installed on the One.

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big_montana

If you only compare pricing yes, but MS gives you the Kinect as part of the package (which I don't really care about) and with Sony if you want the Eye, that will set you back another $59 so the price gap does close. MS does get burned on the entire used/offline/rent/trade game policy though. MS ma just have to cut the price of their console to match Sony's to negate the negative press somewhat.

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the_brink

I like how Sony didn't force the camera on us, so they could bump the price on the PS4. I like buying a console for $100 less and then having the choice to buy the camera instead of Sony deciding for us that we need a camera and hiking the price (kinda like what MS did).

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big_montana

I think MS "forced" the Kinect on everyone as they did not like the quality of the Kinect games (what few there were) being released. Also, developers cannot make excuses for not developing for the Kinect now as everyone will have one. Still does not guarantee for better quality Kinect games though.

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limitbreaker

I think the eye will come with the console :-) what we'll be missing is the ps move controller which I already have two of. For gaming you're getting a lot more out of the ps4, it's like comparing a gtx 660 to gtx 680 when it comes to performance. To quote something I wrote in an earlier post

"Microsoft is going to use 8 GB of DDR3 ram with a total of 60GB/sec bandwidth... what was their answer? use some of the APU room that would otherwise be dedicated to GPU cores for 128MB ESRAM that runs at 100GB/sec which if you combine with the ddr3 you can theoretically get 256MB@ 160GB/sec. PS4 will simply have 8GB GDDR5@ 160GB/sec and will have a more powerfull GPU both on the memory front and also on the amount of cores."

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big_montana

Actually the Eye is not included: http://goo.gl/6GCtW

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big_montana

Now how many of those 140 titles will be available at launch, how many a year from now, and how many will ever see the light of day? This is not a knock on Sony, but the game dev community as they are usually late on delivering if at all. The same is to be said with the Xbox One titles

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Danthrax66

I thought they said 40 during the press release but it could have been more than that. From what I can tell Sony has a lot more titles than M$ in development already and certainly more that have actual trailers/gameplay available.

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