Don't Even Think About It, Anonymous Warns NATO

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kixofmyg0t

Ohh soo now hacking the PSN and stealing everyone's credit card numbers is "fighting for free speech". 

 

You're an idiot John.

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Xodin

Whos John and why are you cussing at him ?

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kixofmyg0t

You seriously need me to explain to you why I call everyone that I don't know the true idenity of "John"? 

Seriously!?!

Or would you prefer "Anonymous"?

Here's a hint. When a person needs to be identified and their REAL name is not known they are refered to as a **** Doe. Do you get it yet? No? nvm.

Go back to school John.

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Xodin

The fact your so impatient and cussing all of the time you seem to be in school or a American.

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kixofmyg0t

Impatient? Agreed.

Cussing? When? Where?

In school? Hmm well I *AM* in a sexual harrassment class atm, we're all reqiured to do every quarter. So agreed.

American? Hmm judging by this American flag on the right arm of my uniform i'd say so. But no lets check my birth certificate....yep seems I am an American! Yay!

 

Good job John. Happy now?

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Xodin

Yes I'm a great wizard. Note my names isn't John.

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iceman08

"little rash" I like that.

 

Have you ever dealt with losing your identity from an online hack? I have, and it's a nightmare I never want to experience again. Hacking a bank, a place that in theory and practice is made to hold and keep your money protected, is wrong, be it they clean out your accounts or not. If the bank hires you to check their security methods, then that's great. Do that, but only if you're asked to protect said bank. Anon (splinter, whole, or echelon) hasn't been hired (to my knowledge) to check their security risks.

 

And I really don't want to keep bringing up Sony, but how were they lashing out at their fans? They went after a guy that was jailbreaking their software; should they have, I don't know. But the DDOS attack wasn't fun, neither was the monthlong absence and credits cards floating around. Every EULA that's pushed out by Sony, I had the choice to agree to it or not. And I agreed to it. There was no forcing by Sony to agree. you could have opted to keep OtherOS.

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Xodin

Well their not doint for the bank they are doing for you but in the case that the credit card info was posted on the net wasnt coll I agree. How were they lashing out Hotz anounced that he had jailbroken the PS3 but not mentioning that he would publishing it they could have contacted Hotz offered him a job in security or just asked him first but that wasnt what they did. What they did was send out threats and then he posted it. As he purchesed the PS3 he owns it so he can do whatever he wants with it as with the iPhone.

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iceman08

how is accessing my information without my consent helping me?? And I'm glad we agreed on something.

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Xodin

Not that showing how safe your information is.
Well someone on the net needs to reasonable ;)

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iceman08

I think I read on a site that "Nothing with an internet connection is truly safe and secure." Does this mean they should hack/attack/probe it?

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Xodin

When it comes to money I for one whant to be sure thats secure. And these probing attacks will do just that beef up the security.

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iceman08

That's like breaking into your house, taking pictures of everything you own, and saying nonchalantly, "By the way, your security sucks." or, as you put it about wiping accounts out, "yeah, I took pics and grabbed your stuff since your house wasn't secure." You might know it needs to get improved, but either way, I think you would be mad, since I broke into your house when you didn't solicit my services for breaking in.

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Xodin

Again the anonymus most likely didnt hack the banks but If they did thats their point. And that not like that at all real damage against virtual damege. If you lose something ir real life its gone but If someone steals your credit card info or your personal inforamtion you can recover it .

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iceman08

sigh...I really do hope you never suffer virtual damage.

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Xodin

Im sorry that your personal info got stolen but you cant judge Anonymus by someone who (most likely not anonymus) hacked you.

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iceman08

but I can judge them for the threat to my security, be it Anon, Lulzsec, or any other group. You seem to be saying (may be wrong) that virtual loss can't translate to real loss. If my blaming them is unfounded, then I'm sorry to them. They should be better organized about who they are and what they represent and how they help.

 

I suggest that you take a look at the stock market and see what virtual money does to real life. Its not hacking, its not identity theft. It's just that: virtual money with real-life consequences.

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Xodin

Well stocks are representetive of the company the better the stock the better the company. Freed money (just money) isnt representing anything. About the organization dont know if you saw the video that I linked but anyone can say they are anonymus thats why it can so succesful it has no leader it's headless blunder acting for cause.

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kixofmyg0t

Yes. Because Anon believes that hacking and stealing is "fighting for free speech". 

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Xodin

Either you cant read or chose not. Please stop trolling.

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Ghok

I don't agree with Anonymous's methods, but so far, I've only really seen them go after groups they reveal to be doing pretty shady things. So I don't really care too much.

The fact that there are so many people below who assume that all recent hacker news activity is tied to a group who is mostly known for DDoSing targets shows you just why it's so easy to lead the general public around. They're activists, and they're using non-violent means. Now I don't normally get along too well with activists, but everytime they reveal some dirty dealings I'm reminded why I'm glad they're around.

If people in positions of power kept their laundry clean, no one would support Anonymous. That's the best way to get rid of groups like them.

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kixofmyg0t

Activists hmm? Sure stealing isn't really a violent crime. So I guess it's ok then. So if I stole every single $ you had because you drive a Ford and I don't like Fords then that's ok? Remember i'm just a Chevy "activist".

 

Where do you suppose all this money they steal goes hmm? Building baby hospitals? Sorry John, I have some bad news for you. You can bet ur bottom dollar that at least some of Anon arn't the "good" hearted people and use this money to fund some not so legal means. 

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Ghok

Kixofmyg0t,

I have yet to see the people who release these Anonymous messages do anything close to what you're suggesting they do. When they start, I will happily join your way of thinking. Until then, you're just making shit up.

 

 

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Xodin

They cant steal anything. Because they only exist on the internet where everything is virtual and a car is phisical thing. They are activists for free speach and are not aliegned to some faction. As far as I know they havent stolen anything and If they have the banks are responsible for the money and will pay their costumers their "lost" money.

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iceman08

so by going into your banks' accounts online and accessing your information along with thousands of others is ethical? Me potentially selling your information online and buying virtual products (think WoW or any other online store taht sells virtual items) with your CC information isn't really hurting you, as its virtual? buying virtual movies, music, and games? where will the banks get the money when its gone, the government?

 

If you want to defend the actions of saving a life or lives by showing hacked information, I can understand. But no one's life is being saved in these instances; on the contrary, the likelihood of a life being compromised is MUCH higher. 

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jgottberg

Wow, the adolesence of your post amuses me. My credit card info only exists virtually?? Ummm... if Anon sells my CC info to someone and they buy something on it, is that what I tell my CC company? Yeah, I'm not going to pay... it's virtual. BS!

They are criminals. They steal. That's the definition of a criminal. If they have a problem with our government, fight the good fight and leave my personal information alone.

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Xodin

Your credit card info exists virtualy your money exists virtualy. And when someone steals your credit card info you notify your bank they will invstigate and see If your information was stolen.And you cant steal information you can copy it. As far as I know they havent taken any moeny of the accounts. For more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_supply

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kixofmyg0t

Yes because wikipedia is an exellent source of "fact" lol

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Xodin

Then go to your local financial advisor or a bank they will tell you the same thing.

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jcseely

Dudes...get over yourselves.

 

You're not all that.

 

You're not "principled vigilantes".

 

You're not cool.

 

Headless snake? No. Headless dick is more like it. And what's a headless dick good for?

 

Hunh! Absolutely nothing.

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MrBlueCheese

Anon should take out some of these spammers. That way, they'll get more support (at least, from me).

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thetechchild

This topic is highly controversial, and one can take either side.

For the government, and against Anon, we can say that, effectively, governmental institutions maintain stability amongst highly concentrated, large groups of humans. And humans, as any self-promoting organisms, are immensely selfish and thus prone to fighting amongst each other to be the most powerful. Obviously, as in historical periods, without an effective government, we have instability, high crime rates, many short wars, etc. An anonymous, distributed group of self-proclaimed "representatives of the people" which are actually, in general, sheep on the bandwagon (ex. DDOS participants) or tech-savvy hackers (ex. those who purposely invade business/govt. systems) are not just an unfair representation, but practically a mob trying to take down a govt. (irregardless of how corrupt or reasonable such actions may be).

For Anon, it is also true that governments that are corrupt might even be worse that a practically nonexistent one. Historically, this is also easy to view as true. And, of course, there can be no democracy without transparency, because a democracy requires that the people are not a mob, not biased, but logical and well-intentioned. Just because the majority wants to eliminate the minority does not make it morally correct. Democracy depends on the competency of the people, and one cannot make good decisions without the knowledge of what goes on, and if those in power deliberately deceive the people, then it is next to impossible to attain that knowledge (and, in turn, make good decisions).

Anon might be a horde of criminals, but their remarks are sensible, if not entirely feasible actions. A government that functions entirely honestly and transparently has nothing to fear from a group that claims it is righteous, considering that such a group must function based on public indignancy and an almost unanimous decision against said governement (in which case it is unlikely, though not impossible, that the govt. has done what is right).

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AnglicDemon00

I also agree with this statment, to the point I am going to copy it and post it once again. What you said is is simply stating the facts. Not taking either side, nor being biased to one or the other. 

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iceman08

I can respect this post. not bashing either opinion, just stating the facts in a nonpartisan way. +1

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Joji

Whoa... well said. Nicely done. ^^

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Joji

I'm loling at the fact that people like Dazbag thinks we're idiots. I asume he was trolling. We can not completely say "Anonymous is at fault at everything". The Anons did say some valid points as I've said in my previous comment.

The government lies and covers things up a lot. All governments around the world do. They lie about wars, intel, etc. Terrorize people into thinking we're all going to be blown up by Bin Laden when he was already dead a long time ago (from what I've learned that is). Government propoganda! Etc etc!! The government has been doing tons of dirty work, even the CIA, as they've been in the drugs = quick money buisness for a long time.

The examples led to Anons' understanding why NATO would even be telling them to stop what they were doing to Sony. Anons claim that the American government and equivalents have done so much dirty work, yet all they've done was covering things up and spread government propoganda through main-stream news. How dare, NATO threaten Anon, when what they are doing (attacking SONY), is considered as a small issue, compared to what the American Government has done in the past!?

I think that was the reason why the Anons mentioned about "governments lying and covering things up). The Anons that wrote that message sure know quite a bit about politics...

Now, I know some of what I've said is related to conspiracy, and I know many of you don't believe in such thing. I, for once, am interested in conspiracy. And in my humble opinion, opens up a lot of doors and answers to many things the government or the mainstream media doesn't tell you. That's my thinking.

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jcseely

/picardfacepalm

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Joji

You have a better statement than a facepalm??

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hammeredtoast

I am pretty gosh-darn sick of hearing about security leaks every other day. I get it, they're their, I just don't want to deal with it.

 

I'm sick of having my stuff comprimised every other day by-- well, it feels like Annon-- every other day.

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Gezzer

Not wanting to defend Anon, but I'm pretty sure the Sony stuff was done by a splinter group that felt Anon was letting Sony get off easy. That's why the confusion about Sony's proof. The splinter group seeing themselves as doing what Anon should be doing so justified in leaving the message.

As for Anon as a whole it's getting very interesting, and maybe even a bit disconcerting. I'm sure they have high minded goals in mind, but history often shows how easy things can be derailed.

A few examples, the Crusades, the French revolution, and the Russian communist revolution.

All started with the highest of ideals, but eventually corrupted by the ever fickle nature of man. I'm afraid Anon could and most likely will go down this route as well. Hopefully they will effect a few changes for the good in the end, but only the history books will know for sure.

Just a second... aren't the history books written by the winners? Well I guess we'll never really know will we?

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andresau

Did anyone find any spelling mistakes in the address or was that just me? No. I'm not talking about the "teh".

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CHR15x94

Ugh... I'm tired of hearing about these idiots (Anonymous). Seem to think that being able to perform a DDoS attack means they own the Internet and everyone who makes use of it. Just a bunch of script kiddies (yay repeating people) and other individuals who think being part of a "hacking" group makes them cool, and that they can do whatever they want and have it blamed on the group as a whole, rather than being tracked down and prosecuted (or whatever) individually.

Yeah, entirely my opinion, feel free to correct me, comment, whatever.

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jth

Meh, I'm pretty neutral on Anon to be honest. They're self-righteous vigilates and attack private companies, then again I also get pretty fed up with the government and the crap that's done in the name of all US citizens. I'm all for transparancy but they do often overstep the line and the whole theatre behind it is just silly. 

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MrSelatcia

 

dzagbag: agreed

 

 

 

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dzagbag

Everyone that posted under this line is a   r e t a r d.

 

_______________________________________

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someuid

Hahahaha!.

Agh, I'm under the line!  RATS!

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Joji

Anon basically used thousands of people's credit cards for themselves. How does that make them any better? They did make a valid statement about the government lying and covering up things, but they should have just disposed the collected data they stole from Sony. Seriously...

Finally, I would like to point out that by just taking out a group of Anons, a few hundred more would replace them. It really depends I guess. That is quite valid. There's no end. Put a few hundred Anons to jail, and a few hundred more would replace those jailed Anons. It's a "revolution" for them. What do you guys think?

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xebikr

*Citation needed*

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iceman08

they really do want to take on the world, don't they? what rights are being protected this time? Hg Dragon said it best.

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TommM

Nothing but a bunch of losers who believe they're judge, jury and executioner for whatever suits their fancy.  There is no doubt that one day they're going to get busted.  And I can't wait to see these pimply-faced teenagers sad faces in lineup photos as they stare at 20+ years in the PMIA can.

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