Distributors, Analysts Agree Windows 8.1 Won't Perform Miracles in the PC Space

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Soban_mub

well I can say that. .for personal use tablets are overtaking PCs but in professional field its always a best choice to have a desktop.

Companies are trying to make Desktop more slim and less weight like having CPU inside monitor just to sell product for personal use. and Windows 8 is being more user friendly which can only be used for personal and we all know tablets are better for that. but they cant replace the desktops or laptops. only in a particular field they have replaced.

I wud say I love windows 8 as it helps me more in communication and small fun by its metro app. but rather than that I still miss XP.

sorry for my bad English.

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praack

the pc did not need windows 8 with it's tablet interface to save it.

in fact the PC does not really need saving- people need to understand what they need.

if all they are going to do is lounge around whatching utube and playing angy birds then a tablet is ok

if they are playing skyrim and working on photoshop then a pc is needed

windows 8 was a poor attempt to live in both worlds and did neither

no wonder enterprise looked at it and shook thier head

of course microsoft still counts all liceneses as active - wether you wipe the drive and install 7 or not.....

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

The future is simple: No one is going to use computers for any type of work, ever again. Work is over-rated. Computers are worthless. They can't do anything. They're too complicated.

All of humanity will be unemployed, on the couch, playing XBox games, and handing their welfare or Social Security over to Microsoft.

Call it Nirvana.

In all seriousness, what will save the PC is an operating system with a sophisticated, work-friendly interface and the ability to play games better than those on consoles. Microsoft's cannibalizing PC gaming to pimp the XBox has done more to hurt PC sales (and sales of its OS) than anything else in the past two decades.

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AFDozerman

It was never going to save the pc. Nothing is going to. Plebs like my wife and others don't have any need for anything more than a tablet. Is a PC objectively better? Of course, in even the most basic tasks, but in these times of economic pain, not everyone will be able to afford them as well as a phone. If given the choice, most people see the phone/tablet as the only viable option. Will the pc ever fully die? No. Will it ever be mainstream again like it was? Again, no. As for myself, you can pry it from my cold dead hands before you find me choosing a tablet over a PC, but you also have to know that the PC of the future will be a lot different than today.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

There was a time when not everyone had a computer. PCs were rare. No one was crying about it then, saying the personal computer was doomed.

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with people, that we have this wanton need for abject sensationalism? Can such hype be the only thing titillating our few remaining brain cells? Does it sell? Write it because it sells?

Perhaps cheap tech has risen to the point that it will satisfy the unwashed masses, but thinking people will ALWAYS need PCs. I need my PC. I could not do my job without it. I couldn't even do my favorite hobbies without it.

All this "PC is dead" bullshit is just that: BULLSHIT.

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wumpus

"There was a time when not everyone had a computer. PCs were rare. No one was crying about it then, saying the personal computer was doomed."

Yes, I remember that time. That was when all the PC users were snickering about how the mainframes were toast, and all the IT types were saying that was nonsense and that we would always need mainframes and these new silly toys were just a fad.

Welcome to the dinosaur pens.

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Those who need mainframes still have them. They haven't died, not by a long shot.

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FireGarden

+1 :)

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AzMonguse

I will never install that junk MS is pushing called win8 - Sorry but no one in there right mind would want to use a touch screen on a desktop system. 1st I hate fingerprints on my screen and it would be a real pain in the neck and shoulders to sit and reach out all day long to touch a monitor. 2nd - the charm bar it a pain always popping out and the stupid metro UI is just beyond belief. Stop trying to force people to us one O/S for 3 devices, a Win7 interface for the desktop with the updates made to 8 would be good, let the touch screen stay on tablet and phones where it belongs and keep it off my desktop So till I have the option I'll stay with Win7 which runs just fine. I did try it and even with an add-on to return the start button and menu I still will not use 8.

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FireGarden

I agree. MS really are idiots. They are forcing Metro even for desktop users because they are trying to force/encourage people to buy apps. It's all about the new revenue stream - not that they'd ever admit that!

8.1 I believe will rectify the booting into Metro thing though.

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Granite

Ummm....okay...

"...Windows 8.1 Won't Perform Miracles in the PC Space"

Did anyone seriously expect it to? I mean, MS is big and powerful but why on earth does anyone think they can affect the PC market that much? Heck, Apple is big and powerful, too...doesn't anyone think THEY can perform miracles?

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Fenthic

MS is banking on the fools out there who dont fully read the difference between a start menu and a start button. They are going to plaster news about the start button all over ads and say see we added it back not even mentioning all it does it takes you back to that gawd awful metro interface.

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FireGarden

I really can't see desktop PC's going away that soon. I think for at least the next ten to twenty years they will have a viable market. Sure, their sales may be declining - but that is to be expected with the advent of tablets and smartphones. I think for enthusiasts, serious gamers and professional users the traditional desktop will be around for a while yet. Their form factor will just decrease in size.

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kamdigitaljapan

I think you should proof read an article before publishing it.

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John Pombrio

The posters not only write for MPC but for many other websites along with reviewing tech and other jobs. They cannot afford the time to polish their posts or for extensive collaboration of the story. Give them a break!

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DeltaFIVEengineer

Ouch.

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jesse_n_sf

Windows 8.1 right out of the box may not be what you want. I disabled the top left and right Hot Corners, made my Start screen have the same wallpaper as my desktop, I turned on "Boot to desktop". You can still make desktop shortcuts and you can Pin to taskbar. You can unpin all the Metro apps and just have you desktop apps. You can name each category of icons in metro. I do blame it on Microsoft for not having a choice during setup for Desktop only which if it were there would unpin all metro apps and do all the settings that I mentioned above. I am a happy camper after doing everything I said above

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wolfing

Right. I could do all that to get an experience similar to what I want... or, I could just stay with Windows 7.

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Ghost XFX

It's not that the PC era is ending, it's the fact that more people are building their own PC, after having dealt with inferior builds from the mass distributors.The worse thing I ever did was buy a Gateway. After that experience, I learned to build my own and never once did I regret the decision. So if the Distributors are getting their opinions from the lack of PC sales, they only have themselves to blame.

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PSYCO_J

M$ and Ballmer remind me of low-life 3rd world countries with one exception. They want people to use what they say they want you to use, and shove it down your throat whether you like it or not, because 'they' are the almighty and they know what is best for you.....but the exception is Don't buy into their bullshit ! DO NOT spend your money on M$ products. Let these assholes know we will not kowtow to the UI bitches that dictate *how* we interact with the OS !!! 8.1 is a "FUCK YOU" to ALL users from the UI DEV team. Don't be snowed by these assholes. If Microsoft would use the Win8 kernel with the win7 UI, it would be an OS I would purchase !

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Meat_Juice

Tell me the way you really feel brother! Amen.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Why is everyone having problems?

I'm not having any problems with Windows

XP works just fine

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PSYCO_J

Yes ! I consider XP the first *best* OS of M$. I consider it 'Windows NT' on steroids !!!

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Bullwinkle J Moose

WARNING!
Windows 8 is not PC compatible

If you are having problems installing Windows PC compatible Software, remember, only XP is PC compatible

Windows 8 runs a completely different set of software than XP does

Since Microsoft only has one Operating System that they promote, XP and all the PC compatible Software of yesterday appear to be "abandonware" at this point

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Exarkun1138

Time to upgrade there, Moosie! XP is dead. And thank God for that! Windows 7 is THE OS to use and THE Best OS Microsoft has ever made! Period. End of discussion.

Have a nice day!

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Granite

What's funny is...you Win7 holdovers will eventually be able to rename yourselves "Moosie" because Win7 will be at it's end of life like XP is now. Meanwhile, everyone else will have moved on to Win8 and beyond.

So it goes

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yammerpickle2

I squarely blame MS and Intel. One of the key driving factors for upgrading computers was the next generation of killer must have games. The MS Xbox systems have resulted in horrible PC port games that do not take advantage of PC hardware. Intel having no competition from AMD has not significantly increase PC performance in the last two updates. They are better on energy consumption, but not really any better than my easy to overclock P-2600K. Now if MS and their army of top notch talent made several PC exclusive games that looked and played amazing and required next gen hardware, and Intel or AMD had to double their power over the last generation in order to play the game you would see sales increase. But because Ballmer wants to control the gaming market with Xbox he has destroyed one of the reasons to update the desktop and generate sales of his new operating system. Intel is focused on low power products and the desktop PC suffers.

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pastorbob

The bottom line is that no single factor is the cause of declining PC sales. And no single company, application or OS can turn the sales back around.

I know in my own experience that 75% of what I do on my desktops I could do just as well with a ten year old system. 20% with a five year old system. Only the final 5% requires anything newer simply because it entails video encoding and DVD authoring and creation.

So the average consumer is quite content with a tablet or smart phone. Half of the people I know do all of their web surfing etc. with one or the other. Those that still use desktops are satisfied with an older system because it serves their needs and with the economy such as it s they are not going to be upgrading any time soon.

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DoctorX

win 8.1 is a non starter... i will install it so i can support my minions.. but honestly... balmer needs to go.

It isnt smart phones or tablets is why the pc is faltering... it is what my inlaws just said, their pc does all it needs to .. they have 1 desktop, 2 laptops, a tablet and a smartphone.

Serious work is on laptop or desktop... tablet is convenience.

For me, I have 1 older q6600 system my son runs.. i have a 1090T oc to 3.8G with gtx titan. The titan gave my system a new lease on life. I dont plan on building a new one until next year.

I have a server that has 30TB in raid6.
i cr48 which gets used a bunch
a eee netbook from 2008 which is still running linux just fine.
2 nexus 7
1 nook color
3 smart phones.
and i will never give up my desktop. Everyone prefers to use the desktops over all the others.

Win8 coudl have kickstarted pcs again, if they stopped at cp.

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Meat_Juice

Give the Titan to your so you heartless bastard (wink).

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fung0

How easily we forget that correlation does not imply causality. For example:

"Desktop and notebook PC sales are slumping as consumers turn to their smartphones and tablet devices to post on Facebook and check email, tasks that were previously performed on full fledged computers."

It is obviously true that PC sales are down, and that tablet and smartphone sales are doing fine. It is far from obvious that there's any causal relationship. In fact, there's ample reason to suspect that the trends are unrelated.

1. Smartphones are replaced frequently, as fashion accessories. (I don't understand the mentality, but it's well documented.)

2. Tablets are a brand-new category, and the market is far from saturated. Tablets are also advancing rapidly in capability, so the motivation to upgrade early models is strong.

3. PCs, meanwhile, are gaining no useful new capabilities. The market is totally saturated, and developers (mainly Microsoft) have failed to produce compelling software that might require upgrading from, say, a Core 2 Duo to a Core i7.

PC geeks may debate the pros and cons of Windows 8 and Office 13, but consumers and businesses alike find them lacking in any obvious value, and offering no cause to run out and buy new hardware. By contrast, new game software DOES push the limits of hardware, and gamers ARE continuing to spend. If Office 13 could use a hex-core CPU to increase worker productivity by 20%, you can bet PC sales would be a lot livelier than they have been.

Nobody I know has purchased a phone or tablet INSTEAD OF a PC or laptop. Most of them bought these devices because they were new and trendy... or just FUN. Many tablet purchasers still haven't found a proper application for this new type of device.

The PC will surge ahead, just as soon as software makers remember what Bill Gates said a few years ago: there's still further to go than we have already come. Meanwhile, PCs, phones and tablets - not to mention TVs, game consoles, and dishwashers - will coexist, competing to some degree for the same consumer dollars, but each following its own market trajectory.

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evertroy

Just because you don't know anybody who has bought a tablet instead of a computer doesn't mean they aren't doing it. I know of 3 people who have done it and have no regrets at all. It's pretty ignorant to say that PC sales aren't lagging because of tablets and smartphones... they absolutely are.

And just because Bill Gates says something means it's going to happen? Look at Bills' main man Ballmer. What a bad decision maker he is.

Besides, most people have a computer that can handle what they need to do even if it's more than 5 years old. Unless you are a gamer or some kind of developer/graphics person there is no need to upgrade. And then if it breaks or they actually do need a new one for whatever reason, they take a look at windows 8 and freak out. I witness it first hand working in a retail store that has huge ties with Microsoft. For such a consumer friendly OS, consumers sure don't like it. My job is to convince people that Windows 8 is great... and it is in soooo many ways. But they don't care.

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fung0

> Just because you don't know anybody who has bought a tablet instead of a computer doesn't mean they aren't doing it

Didn't mean to imply that NO ONE was doing it. My point is, both scenarios are valid, but there's no data telling us which is more prevalent.

> It's pretty ignorant to say that PC sales aren't lagging because of tablets and smartphones... they absolutely are.

And your evidence for this is...? All we have are stats that say PC sales are 'slowing' while tablet and phone sales are growing. I've seen no proof of a causal relationship. From you or anyone else. Meanwhile, there are lots of other plausible reasons for both trends that are being ignored.

> Besides, most people have a computer that can handle what they need to do even if it's more than 5 years old.

The rest of your post basically agrees with my post. Nothing you say contradicts my contention that PC sales are being held back mainly by lack of software innovation.

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LatiosXT

All this over ONE UI ELEMENT. And a UI element that I daresay is statistically not used very often. I mean...

Frequently used apps (used every day) -> Pin to task bar. Still there on Windows 8
Semi-frequently used apps (used a few times every week) -> Desktop shortcut. Still there on Windows 8
Somewhat used apps (used a few times per month) -> Pin to start menu. Still there on the Start Screen in Windows 8
Apps used very rarely -> In All Programs. Still there in Windows 8, albeit annoying to get to.

Oh and... start + type a few letters = find an app that you installed? Still there on Windows 8 but in categories, but fixed in Windows 8.1

You lose practically zero UI features on the Start Screen than the Start Menu.

And really, I don't blame Windows 8 for the slump in PC sales. Nobody understands that most people use PCs for low performance tasks like going on Facebook and watching videos on YouTube, things a CELLPHONE can do now. Things that don't require a top of the line PC. Things that a 5 year old PC can still do.

A better question to poll people on is if they think they need a new computer. I bet you a majority would say "no".

But it's much easier to pin the blame on something everyone talks about already. It creates better stories. What sounds more exciting? "Windows 8 blamed for lack of PC sales." or "Lack of PC sales attributed to lack of software demanding performance."?

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DoctorX

What statistics? "Lies, Damn Lies, and STatistics"

oh, you mean the ones everyone turns off right after install... oh yea... those... well these so called statistics are what is known as colored statitics or biased statistics. It is like polling church goers and ask them if they worship satan. It may be a valid statistic, but it is useless.

I use the start menu daily... many times a day... I use the start screen ... never. I disabled uac and do not have to look at that abomination.

That being said... 8.1 wont mean squat.

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fung0

LatiosXT, you and must have been typing almost simultaneously, along the same lines. But from a somewhat different point of view.

Personally, I do blame Windows 8 for the slump. Not the Start Screen, or any (as you say, unimportant) feature that Windows 8 HAS, but all the truly meaningful features it LACKS. Despite its new look, Windows 8 doesn't move the capabilities of the PC forward one millimeter.

It's not that consumers hate Windows 8. It's much worse: they just don't care.

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John Pombrio

Microsoft is supposedly going to go through a "reorganization" or a purge next week. I bet the heads of the Windows and the XBox divisions get "reorganized" right out of the company.

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evertroy

I really hope Ballmer goes of a firing spree and then gets canned by the board. Either that or the board just does his job for him because he's horrible at it and he might fire the wrong person.

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FrostyWinnipeg

Having used Win 8 x64 and RT I can say this: Metro does not belong on a desktop PC *and* the desktop does not belong on an RT tablet.
Am I glad MS has both? Sure in a way, I guess.

With 90% of the desktop market MS could afford to go crazy and not worry about a significant loss of market share(like Vista). A laptop with a flip screen or something like the Taichi, then having both Metro and Desktop is a plus.

I want my desktop menu back. I want my desktop icons back. I should not have to go to Metro to find them.

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John Pombrio

Frosty, you are right more than you know. The statistics are damning. The total number of Start page apps run each day for the average PC or laptop user is a little over ONE PER DAY. Get rid of e-mail, and it goes down to 2 or 3 a WEEK. Laptops with touch screens have almost the same numbers as regular laptops so this vaunted "touch" is a bust on laptops and PCs. Win8 Start screen is just not used by most people.

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Nastyman

Windows 8 is the main problem that PC sales have slumped and you can blame the OEM's for not offering Win 7 as an option if you want to buy a new PC. Just go and hover around the PC department in a retail store and listen, I did and the above is why people are sticking with their old pc's.

So, not only is Microsoft to blame but so are the OEM PC makers for not offering options to their customers. Shame on both of them!

Nasty

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ApathyCurve

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's the "main problem," but I would definitely agree it's aggravating the problem, possibly severely.

But I'm starting to like Windows 8. Not because I use it; I don't and I won't. Rather it's because it may be what finally breaks up the near-monopoly of Microsoft over the PC operating system market and gets some real innovation moving again. Microsoft has essentially been re-skinning Cairo and selling it over and over again for the last two decades. Enough.

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eromanrocks

As a PC gamer, I won't be dropping my PC anytime soon. That being said, I must agree with the rest of the PC users regarding windows 8. I don't know if it was a change in M$'s leadership but ever since W8, M$ has been making VERY bad decisions which they later come to regret (W8, XBONE) Anyways, that's just my two cents.

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hornfire3

well obviously because the only thing that would hold it back is the inability to disable Metro completely. duh. that's pretty much it.

oh and its not like I hate Metro, nor do i even hate Windows 8 and 8.1. and I don't work for M$, nor do I even like Ballmer the arrogant M$ dictator.

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danwat1234

Just install Start8 and there you go.

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jth

It's funny. I installed Start8 almost immediately after installing Win8 for the first time because I didn't like the idea of losing the start button. But I decided that I never really gave the new start screen a fair chance so I recently turned off the start button feature on Start8 and forced myself to actually try to use the start page. Right now, in all honesty, I'm really wondering what I was afraid of. I'm getting by just fine. Once I figured out that I'm not losing anything at all I've decided to leave it as is. Still using the boot-to-desktop feature and disabled hot corners, but come 8.1 Start8 might get uninstalled.

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John Pombrio

If Win8.1 breaks Start8, I am going to be extremely pissed.

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devastator_2000

+1

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Granite

I really don't get this thing about not being able to disable Metro completely. I mean...why do you need to? Heck, it's easy to ignore it.

I can't help but wonder what y'all would dig up to complain about with Win8 if MS DID allow you to disable Metro. Maybe you'd start bitching about how BitDefender acts.

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DoctorX

metro using 12G of my 16G was enough for me to disable it.

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