Did Apple Provide F.B.I. with Millions of iOS Device User IDs?

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Lednaara

Apparently it was neither Apple nor the FBI. They were stolen from BlueToad publishing.

http://blog.bluetoad.com/2012/09/10/statement-from-bluetoad-regarding-the-cyber-attack-suffered-in-the-recent-case-of-stolen-apple-udids/

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penskeford

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Deviate

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Yall just worry about sports and American Idol. The gub'ment knows what's best for you. And they're going to save you from yourself. Don't worry, be happy.

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acidic

of course crapple gave up any info the government asked for. you gotta keep your partner's hands in your back pocket if you expect them to keep granting all these bans on your competitors products. it's all in the name of the game

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Strangelove_424

Exactley. Remember when Apple lost their iPhone prototype, and used a special "silicon valley police unit" to search a dude's house without a warrant? The cops denied this for a while too, until people started raising questions about Apple impersonating officers (which there's evidence for). Google the name "Anthony Colon"... that was Apple's lead security investigator at the time. He's an ex-cop from the San Jose PD! They have a symbiotic relationship with government. They hire government employees (kinda like how the mob hires dirty ex-cops), supply the FBI with data, make contributions to the Bay Area, and in turn get special protections and services, such as their own private army of officially-badged storm troopers, and easy access to civic resources (like acres of land to build their mothership BS). "1984 won't be like 1984". But 2012 sure as hell is.

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TerribleToaster

Not gonna lie, I just can't bring myself to trust AntiSec here (even with my massive distrust of Apple) mostly because this kinda of data would be nearly useless for the F.B.I. to keep lying around since they can get it, easily, whenever they want to. So unless they were tracking 12 million Apple users concurrently, in order to prevent the rising of Cthulhu, I'm more inclined to believe that AntiSec hack an Apple laptop to take the data and decided to pretend it was an F.B.I. laptop (which are pretty hard to get ahold of, let alone crack) in order to spice up the story and try to get more street cred. It won't be the first time such a group has done something like this.

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jgottberg

Am I the only one getting annoyed by the "Tin foil hat" comments all the time? Might have been funny the first few times but after a few billion times of seeing it, it has kind of lost everything that may have made it funny.

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TrollBot5000

You dare mock the greatest piece of anti brainwashing armor ever crafted by the Reynolds Wrap R & D Department? We need the glasses from They Live as well. OBEY. Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep.
Wake up it's 1984 but we've been here before. Big Brother's watching we watch him back. Nahhh Toaster is right as usual. cracking a fed computer?? yeah good luck with that. toaster said it best. Seriously though the world is getting more off and weird every day it seems. I try not to engulf myself with conspiracy theories because most just simply aren't true but some have to be right?? JFK comes to mind just to put some emphasis on what power and corruption are capable of. The hands that control the marionettes are always scheming.

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Scatter

When people stop wearing their tin foil hats I'll stop commenting about them.

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don2041

You are right. So we are all going to get helmets like the one Magnito uses it far more efficiant.

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jgottberg

See, THAT was funny - it was original! :)

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Biceps

Obviously your tinfoil had has negatively affected your sense of humor by blocking the government's happy ray. I think if you took off that tinfoil cap, you would immediately see the world in a whole new (government approved!) light.

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NavarWynn

The scarier thing (to me) is that the FBI has a Twitter account... me thinks the end days may be approaching...

By the way... (and every truly 'aware' person knows this) copper foil hats are far better than tin foil hats...

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tony2tonez

Exactly FBI with a Twitter account? Thats who I would want to follow if I had such an account. You think FBI would have twitter if J. Egar Hoover was alive running things now?

I tend to believe the hackers in most situation then government. In this case, I dont think Lulzsec sat around hacking and collecting 12M devices, just for the UDID. I dont think the FBI really did that either, so im more inclined to believe that FBI received that data from Apple.

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don2041

CAUTION ALERT!!! It has been found that most tin foil hat are actually aluminum foil hats. Only FBI have tin foil hats to go with their tin foil badges.

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vgrig

Second that. FBI probably has a "social media" specialists/managers just like most companies. Bet they even have web 2.0 strategy - wtf was wrong with wearing black suits and being scary? Served FBI well for decades...

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Lednaara

Wow, I didn't realize having a list of peoples names, address's, and phone numbers was such a scary problem! Gee I wonder what mischief I can get in to with this big, multi-volume set of Atlanta area phone books, since, it has the same information in it. Seriously people, what does it matter if the FBI does indeed have the information or not. It's not information they would even necessarily need a warrant to obtain in the first place. As for AntiSec, yeah I'm going to trust what a bunch of hackers say either.

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wolfing

well, considering the also have the Apple IDs, and the devices (iPhones, iPads) are always "on", that means they can track exactly where a person is at any given time.

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Lednaara

As if the FBI had the resources needed to track 12 million people.

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MrHasselblad

That's exactly what most americans used to say about WikiLeaks.

If I had to choose between a group of hackers or a majority of (any of the) united states government organizations; I'd choose the hackers about 98% of the time.

After all; this is the same united states government that **invented** numerous reasons to basically go to war with Iraq - and then kill over one hundred thousand innocent people there. I'll start to believe the united states government a bit more; perhaps after they find all of the wmd in Iraq.

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Happy

Remember what the intelligent George Carlin said about not trusting a word the government says. Organizations like the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, and the military, not to mention the White House have lying as their very modus operandi. Just because they say they didn't seek or obtain the info doesn't mean they didn't. It just means that they may very well have gotten caught with their pants down and are now lying to cover their asses, hoping some people are foolish enough to believe their denials.

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Strangelove_424

Great links, Paul. I moved to copper mesh after the Rahimi study, but I know there are still a lot of skeptics. Either way, I’d never leave home without my trusty PEMIS (personal electro-magnetic interference shielding) helmet.

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Farmboytechie

You said PEMIS! Ok I got nuthin....

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flyup

ha- my pemis is irritated

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Jox

I find it difficult to believe that a corporation with the high moral integrity of Apple would cave in to demands for customer information from the FBI without a strenuous court battle to defend the privacy of said customers.

http://rt.com/news/apple-patent-transmission-block-408/

What? Oh... Well, it was just a theory.

-Jox

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Neufeldt2002

It's funny how Apple used to advertise that they were against "The Man" and "Big Brother" in their 1984 commercials. My, my, how things have changed.

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Jox

I made that very comment to some friends just yesterday. I'm waiting for marijuana to be legalized so that all the stoners and anti-establishment types can become soulless corporate bastards too.

-Jox

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flyup

Does this mean the FBI knows that I prefer interracial pornography?

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Eoraptor

probably.

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Jacobwt226

Wow, this is why I don't use a mac, and because it is against my religion.

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Otaku16

i have never heard of a religion that has a ban on mac goods... unless its a lame made up one around Microsoft or windows

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Biceps

You think the FBI only tracks iTards? Come on...

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warlok180

Paul:

Apple spokeswoman already responded to this.

Not sure if allowed to post links but here's the story:

http://allthingsd.com/20120905/apple-we-didnt-give-fbi-any-device-ids/

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don2041

I would,nt trust AntiSec but I would,nt trust an oranization that was started and headed by a guy named J Edgar Hoover a distant relative of mine.

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TheZomb

Instead of outright denying the claim the FBI only stated there wasn't any evidence to show that they had obtained or sought to obtain UDIDs. If anybody ever used that kind of wording to tell me they didn't do something I would instantly they believe they did.

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Otaku16

haha... that's funny like they would admit to doing that openly

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firefox91

Exactly how much credibility are we going to give a rogue hacker group anyway? They aren't exactly on the up and up. Apple and the FBI are no saints either, but really are we automatically going to take the word of people who admittedly break the law?

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Eoraptor

You mean like the FBI and the NSA who went ahead with illegal wire taps and then were retroactively granted amnesty and immunity in the name of national security? I don't know who to believe here, but I have no reason to doubt the "rogue hacker group" and I have no reason to accept the word of organizations who have been given free passes on breaking the law recently.

and yes, I'd take the words of people who "admittedly" break the law who do so covertly any day, because after all, honesty is the best policy.

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sdvrsbragsv

It's the same with all devices!!! Android has "Carrier IQ" that track every keystroke, every app last used from notes to games, as for Microsoft you know their the king of tracking ppl for false info on like games, apps that are crack for win7 and the new win8 phone cause it gonna track you on what you download, sending email and so on...Why they do that? for security reason and to keep your device safe from hacker or malware virus.

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Eoraptor

Let's try that again with a little less insanity and a few more details shall we?

"Android" doesn't have Carrier IQ, individual phone carriers do. Android is just an open source operating system anyone can download and use dependent on a few licensing fees. I have a droid device sitting next to me right now completely free of carrierIQ because I put the OS on it.

as for what you said about "tracking ppl for false info on like games" and "apps that are crack for win7" I'm not sure what you even meant. I THINK you meant that cracked applications and programs are tracked by antivirus and malware programs, which is not specific to windows either (unless you're using security essentials). and considering that such programs legitimately are vectors for a lot of bad stuff, rightly so.

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Budman_NC

Oh yeah, plausible deniability. So one has to wonder, where ELSE would AntiSec obtain this kind of information? Apple device UDIDs with personal user info. C'mon, how stupid do they think we are? Yet another reason to avoid iDevices like the plague. So now Apple says its doing away with them? Why have them in the first place if they're not needed and not secure? My tin foil hat is ready and standing by just in case.

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Eoraptor

The whole reason Apple is getting rid of them is to effectively brick millions of jailbroken iPhones and maxIpads even though the patent office has said that it's perfectly legal to jailbreak your phone. After all, if the use of UDID is banned, then you HAVE to upgrade to iOS 6 to get whatever is replacing it, or just buy a new device, right?

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Valor958

What's funny is that all the diehard Apple fanbois claim that it's ok for Apple to do that because they also CLAIM that's what all the other OS have done over time. They also point and say Microsoft did it!... last I checked, Microsoft has never forced an upgrade the likes of what is likely to happen when iOS6 is forced into place. Hell, we've got Windows 8 and people still use XP just fine. I know people who still use 2k/ME and 98 version 2 just fine. Apples zealous philosophy of always moving to the newest and greatest device as default is great for Apple, but horrible for the consumer. It would be different if Apple actually innovated like they claim they do between model upgrades. Increasing resolution and base specs but keeping EVERYTHING else the same... not much innovation. Wait... is that because everyone else in the world is infringing on Apples patents on innovation, thus stifling their innovative prowess? Or... does Apple just suck and was a fad that has outlived its purpose.

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