Dell Attacks HP's Commitment To The PC Market

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cherylsarah

I am hearing about rumor that HP will sell their PC department so why Dell just acusition that department.

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Blakksheap

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Morete

Asus will probably be filling HP's shoes.

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Peanut Fox

One thing I've always hated about HP, is that they never spent anytime building up their product brands.  They buy things, try it once, and then kill the whole product line.  They had the whole Voodoo design and performance line of note books and desktops, but they never supported it beyond it's first iteration.  The same can be said about the Blackbird.  How are you supposed to build the lineage of a product if all you do is taste test?  How do you expect to earn repeat customers if they can't purchase the new version of the old tech?  Apple does it all the time.  How many versions of the iPod have their been?  How many iPhones have we seen?  I can understand that sometimes products don't work out, or cost get in the way, but HP doesn't seem to have brand recognition beyond the name of the over arching company.  Yeah they have the Pavilion, but nothing about that screams quality HP product.

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IIAbeII

Voodoo's pcs and notebook were kickass. It seems kinda strange that you would purchase a company, trying to add value to your own then immediately kill it. It wasn't like Voodoo was even a competetor to HP, so there was no value gained. Kinda pisses me off, because Voodoo was such a great (Canadian) company, rivialing in many ways Alienware.

Plus HPs computer generally suck, with really crappy support. I pity the company that HP's PC divison.

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fung0

Right on. But I'd go further: Alienware PCs are high-spec, but basically just white-box clones with a goofy plastic shell on them. On the other hand, Voodoo designs, like the Blackbird, were engineered from the ground up. Like Detroit 'concept cars,' they showed what a PC could be. Of course, HP picked up on exactly none of that.

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GhostMagic

I can't say I'm really surprised, HP's computer build quality has been fairly poor for years now. They use cheap parts, most of thier mother boards are not upgrade friendly, thier power supplies are usually the bare minimum required for the hardware in the case, and thier machines are loaded with bloatware. They have been number one in retail PCs because all the compitition is no better. Look what they did to VoodooPC, Voodoo used to make a fairly nice, albiet pricey, gaming box. HP bought them, made a few over priced "performance" Envy laptops and stopped making the kind of machines that made VoodooPC a company worth buying.

Is it really so bad to make a good product, charge a fair price, and not try to screw your customers in an attempt to gain another percentage point in profit?

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Holly Golightly

Man, I miss VoodooPC! Their Omen PC was top of the line. I did like the beginning when HP did buy out Voodoo. Just look at the Blackbird 002. We are talking a big budget system designed for us hardcore gamers. A computer case that can hold up to 600 pounds on its one foot, and superior air cooling zone most gaming PC companies could not even think of. The HP Firebird was also a great PC... Would do best in the livingroom right next to the consoles and flat screen. Just have a wireless keyboard and an Xbox controller connected, and you got PC gaming at its most comfortable zone... The couch! But yeah, they only made about 3 total. HP Voodoo Envy 13, Blackbird 002, and Firebird. HP has a history of not knowing what the hell it should be doing. This new CEO is like the bullet to the head of HP's sole specialty... Making PCs. He is probably enjoying iTunes on his brand new $800 white iPad. Sigh, some people are just terrible in running a business.

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I Jedi

To be frank, HP's sell off of it's PC division came as a major shock to me. I truly do not know HP for its software making, just for its computers. It will be very fascinating to follow what HP does over the coming months to get deeper-rooted into the software market.

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Marthian

HP, 100% commitment means you wouldn't be selling it off. Thanks for making everyone try and say "HP's not selling PCs anymore, PCs are dead, lol. Tablets gonna replace them, say goodbye to desktops. iPad does everything better"

Granted, I don't really like Dell either (their non proprietary desktop form factors pissed me off to no end as well as those non proprietary plugs.), but what do I care? I just build whatever PC I need now.

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dentaku

Marthian... I think you mean proprietary not NON proprietary. Your saying exactly the opposite of what you wanted to say :)

Dell stopped doing that quite a while ago anyway. These days it's all just standard parts.

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fung0

The big problem with Dell - and every other brand-name PC - is that they use whatever parts they can get cheapest this week. They won't tell you what's in that PC you're ordering, because they literally don't know themselves until they build it. That's how they make a profit. Personally, I'd rather have best-of-breed components in the box, than a well-known logo on the outside.

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Holly Golightly

There was nothing proprietary in any of the Dell computers. The problem was they used BTX form factor which was not supported by the more common ATX format. So BTX power supplies would be thicker, and have less pins. Everything else that can fit in an ATX could have fit in a BTX. Intel chip? Check. RAM? Check. GPUs? Check... It all worked. I kind of missed the old BTX form factor that many people did not understand. The videocards were upside up, and some of the CPU coolers were the best in market. Just look at the H2C cooler. Best liquid cooler ever. Indeed dell made the best "proprietary" systems come together.

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Marthian

ok, they might have changed. I haven't owned a newer dell since those old old ones (2002?) and that's how it was then. And yes, I was jealous that I couldn't put those huge heatsinks in my case and have it work...

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Holly Golightly

The model I have is an XPS 410. I had it since 2008, but I believe it is a 2007 or 2006 model. They stopped using BTX motherboards in favor of the more popular, and "universal" ATX form factor, where the video cards are upside down. The reason behind the change was because Intel's latest sockets require a south bridge which is something BTX physically could not offer. So Intel killed it, and now all Dells from 2009, after now have ATX. I will admit, I am going to seriously miss the BTX form factor. I am now working on my first home built computer... Got tired of Dell robbing me blind just so they can build my computer. Time for me to save my money and invest with more power.

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big_montana

That explains your comments about Dell, as the XPS models are manufactured for them by Asus. Otherwise Dell's are propritary as carp, with non-standard motherboards that cannot be replaced off the shelf. Power supplies you can get from some third party vendors like PC Power and Cooling, not every power supply manufacturer makes dell compatible power supplies.

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Holly Golightly

With HP's bad decision, it would come as no surprize that Dell will be the new number PC manufacturer in the world. It seems rather inevitable knowing what HP just did.

***By the way, if Dell REALLY wants to get that number one spot, they should consider going all out by reviving their Adamo line up. This is what makes Dell really stand out.

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