Controversial Cyber Security Bill Moving Forward

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nadako

What is the FCC going to say about this or has the government talked to the FCC about it?

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whitneymr

The FCC would have to follow any Executive order regardless of their feels or prior policies.

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swordknight7

Who says he has passed the bill yet?  It's not like Obama asked for the bill, I don't see that mentioned.  It doesn't say anything about whether Obama will sign it, and I doubt they have the 2/3 veto override in both houses.  Don't blame him for something in CONGRESS, ffs.  Let's see what he DOES for once, before we criticize him.  That's usually what rational people do, they criticize stuff that has /happened/.

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Michael Ellis

I hate to bring up the Bush comparison but, if this were Bush you wouldn't give him an inch. Besides, they are part of the same freaking political party, I'm quite certain they have at least some coordination. Furthermore, this kind of bill fits in perfectly with the rest of Obama's policies so no, I don't think we should wait until it is too late to start protesting this. 

 

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bpstone

America feels more and more like a communist nation every day.

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thetechchild

For one, the internet, is, as most people have said, decentralized & uncontrollable. While the U.S.A. isn't a small player in holding digital devices, networks, etc., foreign countries make up huge amounts of the internet as well. As the internet is simply interconnected networks, even shutting down the internet with the U.S. is near impossible. For an "internet kill-switch", the govt. would have to be able to simultaneously, or nearly so, take out EVERY SINGLE ISP, IXP, AND WAN in the country. Which is, of course, impossible. Employing EMPs would blow out all electric devices, which would cause chaos.

And, of course, if the govt. knew of an attack, it would most likely already be too late. Shutting down the internet would not deter the crime, nor catch the perp. In fact, the "terrorist" would most likely get away, and have completed the job. Closing the internet off would simply destabilize the U.S., as it is the biggest communication infrastructure out there, not least because foreign communication is possible at no extra cost. Assuming the kill-switch was hit and was actually working, it would do nothing except spread more fear among the people, because everybody would be more isolated, then use phones (text & calls) to communicate about the issue, overloading that infrastructure, and panic more than neccessary.

The only effective, practical, and functional solution is to hold all sensitive data in an environment that is both isolated from the rest of the internet and highly secured. Anything connected to the internet that is compromised can always be a target, and shutting down the internet while patching up its security is impractical.

Convey similar feelings/ideas to Congress and kill this bill! It is nothing more than another scandal waiting to happen. Worse things are coming if this bill is passed - what if the U.N. is stupid enough to consider a worldwide communication shutdown in case of "war" or "emergency"? It might not be likely, but even if anything remotely similar (global) comes in play, we're all screwed when those "emergencies" come.

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s1r 70nk

If the government pass this bill and wants to put in place an internet kill-switch wouldn't that break down communication between our armed forces? This is a bad idea, plus i also think it brings up the idea of building private WANs that the government can't control.

 

Time to call congress and say no! 

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eric0rr

the internet is compromised of networks upon networks upon networks of computers owned by people. by shutting off the internet, they are cutting off your ability to communicate with others. it is no different to censore and shut down a newspaper cause they said some stuff that was "undesirible". they say it is for security reasons, it is truly an attempt to further control our communications. and with the threats of net neutrality, this is yet another thing to be scared of. If a cyber attack is to be successful, it would be useless to close the internet, they would be out of the network and far away. what they should do , is make more networks more secure, and the networks they're scared of being attacked even more so. how about limiting those networks they're trying to protect by putting an extremeky slow download rate on it, like 20 kbs, upon their massive firewalls. this legislation offers no security, at best it stops the hackers from stealing valuable data, at the cost of letting the hacker get away. they didnt set any trap, they could even lose the I.P. during the shut down, so the whole tactic is stupid, and made up by senators who dont know a thing about computers, besides word processing

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eric0rr

terrorist arent gonna attack the entire internet at once! they aren't gonna nuke the interwebs from orbit! if they did, rick astley, serious cat, leeroy jenkins, and anon would kill them. if they attacked it would be from a select few I.P. addresses, and the attack would be on a select few govnerment data banks. it would be to late if they got in, and shutting down everyone's internet would be terrible. businesses would go to shit for the time of it, i imagine the stock market would freak out. how the hell would govnerment workers, who would be working to stop it, communicate without a land line connection?! this is stupid!

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Larzs13

Well we all know how sensitive the man is all he cares about is ways to control what people say about him. Kinda like some people every body knows whom want to dominate every body because they lack something I call it a dick. He has not the balls to get every body to gather and ask for help with the oil problem. America is going to become a communist state under liberals listen to the men that are on his cabinet they talk about spreading the wealth. I say all of the states need to get together and reform are government this act as only been done a few times but it can be done grab your pitch forks and lets all go down to the capital building and make one hell of a civil ruckus.       

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Jelson

 I'malways amused how many conservative love to talk about rights all ofa sudden. where were you people when bush was implementing,warrant-less wire taping? as far as I'm concerned, both democrats andrepublican are both the same "you can fool some of the peopleall the time, and all of the people some times. but you can't foolall the people all the time, that's why we have two party's" oneset fools one group and thee other takes care of the rest.

 

Insteadof complaining about what the government is or isn't doing, why don'twe just get busy inventing some new technology that they can notcontrol. let all those who try to control the interment and the flowof data, GO TO HELL! 

 

{What is the brain of the internet. What is the Master of the Web. What is the Essence of Digital Matter}

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Danthrax66

Fuck Lieberman that fucking asshole  has only proposed bills that try to restrict our freedom that has been his life goal.

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Wareagle

Please go to www.congress.org and tell your representatives to vote NO on this bill

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Mighty BOB!

Hear hear!

 

So many aspects of our daily lives and the economy are directly tied into the Internet today that "shutting it off" would be like shutting down half of the neurons in your brain.  It would straight-up kill our economy, just likepulling the plug on your brain would kill you.

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Keith E. Whisman

Well if war were to break out and we were attacked our enemies could use the internet for intelligence gathering and communication. Spies in the USA could easily send emails to our enemies giving them windage correction and correct GPS co ordinates for military targets. So I could see why it would be important to be able to turn off the internet. This would probably be something that never gets used like all the thousands of fallout shelters that were built around the United States during the cold war. 

When I was a kid I remember seeing signs labeled fallout shelter or bomb shelter with a direction arrow pointing the way to salvation in pretty much every building.

I don't think there is really anything to be afraid of with this new off switch. I believe it's in the best interest of the citizens of the United States and that it doesn't violate any rights or civil liberties. I just hope that a day never comes when that switch may have to get turned off. 

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eric0rr

spie wouldnt be using our internet to send emails, we would analysis this. and secondly, im 99% sure that high military and governing people would use secure and prive networks, like any smart person with the know how would. and the internet is a new and giant media to share information, cancelling the internet thru legistlation is no different then censoring a newspaper, or completely shutting the business down!

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Donkey Fingers

Take away a huge wad of freedom to trade for some vague, barely possible threat in the distant future?  This is downright unamerican, and an abuse of power.  Why does this country's government act like it is totally immune to the idea of absolute power corrupting absolutely?  We are not immune to it at all.  Remember what Benjamin Franklin said about trading our freedoms for a little security?  He said that we won't have or deserve either.

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Michael Ellis

This is absolutely insane. There is NO reason to take control of the internet. It is that simple. This is just another power-grab by this administration and if they handle the internet regulation like they handle everything else (poorly), they could severly damage the living "frreewheeling" organism that the internet has developed into.

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I Jedi

Give the government an inch and they'll take a mile... Remember that, kids, when you wonder why you never did anything to stop them once they simply do away with the idea of the Bill of Rights.

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Wolfy78

The bill is purposely vague just so Obama can gain control over yet another right.  The internet is a form of the first amendment.  Though Obama doesn't believe in the bill of rights.  He is trying to form a socialist controlling government, and getting away with it. NOT GOOD!

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Jelson

 I'm always amused how many conservative love to talk about rights all ofa sudden. where were you people when bush was implementing,warrant-less wire taping? as far as I'm concerned, both democrats andrepublican are both the same "you can fool some of the peopleall the time, and all of the people some times. but you can't foolall the people all the time, that's why we have two party's" oneset fools one group and thee other takes care of the rest.

 

Instead of complaining about what the government is or isn't doing, why don'twe just get busy inventing some new technology that they can notcontrol. let all those who try to control the interment and the flowof data, GO TO HELL! 

 

{What is the brain of the internet. What is the Master of the Web. What is the Essence of Digital Matter}

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zaternine

To me, shutting down the internet is similar to shutting down the printing presses for our news papers, yes people get their info via internet but still too much controll is not good. either way what good would it do if there were to be another attack. if anything it would help citizen joe beacause any news would spread like wildfire through the net. just my 2 centavos.

 

 

VICTORY NOT VENGEANCE

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gendoikari1

I wonder how many people in the US are going to say "F*** this, I'm moving to [COUNTRY OF CHOICE]" if this passes? 

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Michael Ellis

The problem is that moving to another country would have no effect if the core systems of the internet itself were to come under the president's control. 

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Mighty BOB!

The US can only control the "core systems" that reside within its own territory (such as a few key megahubs like where under-ocean cables come ashore).  It can't shut down the Internet in Europe for example.  That's the strength of a decentralized network. 

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Michael Ellis

I don't claim to be an expert on this but I do know that shutting off the web in the US would have deliterious effects worldwide AND would mean the loss of any websites that are served in the US. 

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Mighty BOB!

Yes you're absolutely right that the rest of the world would see a
slowdown since they couldn't use any of the pipes that got shut down,
and you're right again that any sites hosted on servers residing in the
US would go offline for the rest of the world.  I was just merely sying that they couldn't shut the whole thing down.

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