Chrome 4.0 vs Opera 10 vs Firefox 3.5

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What Chrome can learn from Firefox to become a more productive browser?

There are subtleties that make a person chooses a browser. Speed and runtime tests will not reveal such subtleties. Open-source browser developers should just learn from competitor products and make a perfect one. 

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gingrich

As a long time Opera user, I can recommend Opera but not version 10.

I ran into three separate problems, including the cache problem 1337goose noted above, each of which would have kept me using Opera for productive activity. 

 

Opera has a forum at http://my.opera.com/community/forums/forum.dml?id=26 which has an unending stream of one problem after another which users have had.  Many of these problems involve things that worked fine before but version 1o broke. 

 

These problems add to the long list of old problems that Opera has left unaddressed. 

One poster, "Disgruntled Opera 10 user: some things never change, eh?"  at http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=291379 noted:

 "Until Opera can sort out it's user-friendly-ness issues, it will never reach the great unwashed, so-to-speak. Not that many of you care about that. But I do. There's money & opportunity there and I would like my favourite browser to kick FF ass! There are so many things better in Opera. But the basics, the basics, oh gosh....... 

 There someone labeled "banned user"  said:

 "Opera should pause and take three or four months and not try to add anything new and focus its developer resources on the dozens, if not hundreds, of issues like Yahoo Mail, the address history bar search, and other user usability issues 

 The Opera censors closed the thread and labeled it "non-constructive." 

They also closed another user frustration thread "Opera 10 = Proof That The "Opera Team" No Longer Listens"  http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=291879

Opera has a long history of indifference to frustrated users and version 10 has put many over the top. 

 I would recommend Opera 9.64 as the stable release.

 

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gingrich

As a long time Opera user, I can recommend Opera but not version 10.

I ran into three separate problems, including the cache problem 1337goose noted above, each of which would have kept me using Opera for productive activity. 

 

Opera has a forum at http://my.opera.com/community/forums/forum.dml?id=26 which has an unending stream of one problem after another which users have had.  Many of these problems involve things that worked fine before but version 1o broke. 

 

These problems add to the long list of old problems that Opera has left unaddressed. 

One poster, "Disgruntled Opera 10 user: some things never change, eh?"  at http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=291379 noted:

 "Until Opera can sort out it's user-friendly-ness issues, it will never reach the great unwashed, so-to-speak. Not that many of you care about that. But I do. There's money & opportunity there and I would like my favourite browser to kick FF ass! There are so many things better in Opera. But the basics, the basics, oh gosh....... 

 There someone labeled "banned user"  said:

 "Opera should pause and take three or four months and not try to add anything new and focus its developer resources on the dozens, if not hundreds, of issues like Yahoo Mail, the address history bar search, and other user usability issues 

 The Opera censors closed the thread and labeled it "non-constructive." 

They also closed another user frustration thread "Opera 10 = Proof That The "Opera Team" No Longer Listens"  http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=291879

Opera has a long history of indifference to frustrated users and version 10 has put many over the top. 

 I would recommend Opera 9.64 as the stable release.

 

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MrBlonde81

I'm using FF as my main browser. Chrome is my second choice, but all I really used it for is faster performance with Google docs vs. FF 3.0. I don't see the difference between FF 3.5 and Chrome. Once a month I launch IE (Eight on most computers and seven if not) to update XP. Actually that's more often than I've launched Chrome recently.
I tried Opera before I heard of FF, it didn't impress me, and I was probably using Netscape then. When I tried FF 1.0 that grabbed me with it's extensions and add-ons. I gave Opera a try again vs. FF 2.0, but by then I loved FF's extensions and add-ons.

I'm not going to change browsers until I think there's a problem with mine.

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maniacm0nk3y

I used IE and then I found out about Firefox. It was great while it lasted, but ever since 3.0 I have been having problems. I tried Chrome, disliked it and stayed with Firefox. Now on 3.5...and Firefox is having trouble loading rich text in Gmail, watching Flash (sometimes the browser crashed) and a couple other things had me looking the other way.

     Now I am using Chrome and I am pretty sure I am going to keep it. The only theme I used on FF was the Nasa Night launch, I used about 3 add-ons (which surprisingly are replaced by Chrome-and better implemented...like Download Statusbar) and the simplicity is really nice. I don't need much, I'm just going on the internet...so Opera was pretty terrible. 

     It's nice to see that all these different browsers are borrowing from each other though. I guess it's all up to the user to decide what to use. 

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tnrccola

Opera. I really like being able to tile or cascade the tabs.

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silentrob187

If only Opera and Firefox had a baby browser we would be able to end the discussion.  Opera has the better speed and organization and Firefox has the customizaiton--which I agree with others cannot be replaced with speed. 

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JDK

These tests...on XP.

 

I use Chrome with Vista SP2 and theres a visibly noticeable speed difference between Chrome, Firefox, and IE.

In terms of noticeable things Chrome crushes them all.

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snapple00

Do people really choose browsers based on the millisecond difference in doing tasks like opening the program?

 

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1337Goose

I completely agree with you. On a fast enough rig, it doesn't really make a difference. Also, I'll take a couple hundred milliseconds off my rendering time as long as the browser that I'm working with helps me out in other ways. 

However, when I'm speaking to casual users who aren't really interested in detailed features. Or if I'm talking to somebody with a particularly slow PC, I usually recommend Chrome. On slow PCs, it feels significantly faster, and it's just too simple for people to get confused with.

~Goose

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MRrelabled

Firefox takes too long to start, support for the other browsers is needed by websites, I was on one website and it supported Safari on a Mac but not on Windows. The Choices were IE and Firefox.

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WFUJay

Adblock Plus & Noscript.

Until Chrome or Opera can utilize these add-ons, Firefox will always be superior and I will continue to use it.

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1337Goose

 I'm not sure about Adblock, but in Opera you can hit Ctrl+F12, hit the advanced tab > content and disable Java, Javascript, or Plugins. You can also control some of the features of Javascript. It works fairly well.

~Goose

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WFUJay

Why would I want to go through all that trouble to disable javascript when Noscript does it for me?  It's a lot easier to just click the Noscript icon and choose what things I want to allow/forbid with a single mouse click than going through those steps everytime I want to turn javascript on & off.

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gendoikari1

Opera has an ad blocker. Right click some empty space, click "Block Content", and then select the ad. Done.

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WFUJay

Once again...I don't really want to be clicking every single annoying ad to block it when Adblock Plus does it for me automatically.  You make a very tedious task seem simple when it's really not.  Also Adblock blocks ads in flash videos as well -- especially useful for those annoyingly obnoxious Youtube ads that pop-up mid video.  Can Opera do that?

Firefox plugins will reign superior every time, and until Opera or Chrome implements them, there's no contest IMO.

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1337Goose

Haha, I'm not sure what the contest is about, I mean, I've tried the all of the listed browsers and I found Opera to be the best (I'm sure you did the same with Firefox).

I've always found that extensions with Firefox are a bit pokey. They all seem to want to take up the same piece of the browser's real estate, or they conflict with one another. Firefox crashes profusely on 64 bit Linux, and it takes forever to start up. Just for those reasons, I can't justify using Firefox. 

~Goose

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1337Goose

Hey! Thanks for that! I didn't know about that, but I think AdBlock is a little more intuitive.

Haha MaxPC... The Apple ads in the sidebar are gone! If they hadn't been Apple ads, I might have kept them... 

~Goose

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Tekzel

I have been using Firefox for a looooong time now, sometime before v1.5.  But lately, it has been crashing constantly!  Granted, it could be one of the 30+ extensions I have but damn it, I can't live without them!  I wish they would include what extension crashed the browser in the crash info dialog.

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1337Goose

Yeah, I've noticed that Firefox seems to have an all or nothing strategy when it comes to running. There isn't a lot of modularity. For example, if I was testing a browser plugin, and the plugin crashed, it'd take down my entire browser.  

~Goose

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1337Goose

I've been an Opera fan for years now and I agree with LogicMaster2003 below. Opera is totally "Kick-ass 10" on Linux. However, for some reason, a few days ago, it just really bogged down. I cleared the cache and it started working fine again. I've never had this happen with another browser. =S

 As for the results? I wouldn't pick a browser based on speed alone. Security, extensibility and built-in features also come to mind, no? 

~Goose

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JupiterTrooper

PC Talk

Well I agree that once all is said and done Chrome is the fastest of the three. 

On my blog I too have been tracking the features and updates of all the major browsers including firefox,

opera, IE, safari and chrome.  If you would like to read more on the subject please take a look at my 

Opera 9.6 Review(Opera 10 preview)

 

 

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foamcup

They're testing 2 stable browsers against an alpha version?  Chrome 2 is the stable release.

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logicmaster2003

Agreed !  The author should at least test it on several OS.  I use win7-64, winxp-32, and mandriva2009.2.

Win7-64, Chrome is the best, Opera is next on the line, Firefox 3.5.2 seems to be the last

WInXP-32, Opera seems to be the best, Chrome is next on the line, Firefox 3.5.2 seems not that great 

Mandriva2009.2, Opera rules !!!!!!!!!  Firefox 3.5.2 is sooo bad and slow but SWIFTFOX for the selected CPU is a lil bit better, no chrome for linux yet.

 

And I also think the browser test should also include the flavor of CPU

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Modred189

Interesting information, for sure, but there is one HUGE issue... They are using windows XP!!?? In the article they mention that the tests are of 'modern browsers' but they use a nearly 9 year old OS? Not Vista SP2? Why? Why not throw windows 7 in there? The author alone state sthat Chrome performs better on his Windows7 system, so why not the others?

 It's a good review if you are using an older computer, but for those of us with modern systems (shoot, even my Netbook does not have XP on it anymore (win7 pro)) it is pretty meaningless.

 On a side note, I use Chrome exclusively any more. It's just a lot faster to start, faster to load pages and much more minimalistic (which I prefer) than any of the others. Since I am not a huge add-on junkie, it's perfect for my uses. 

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510Gamer

True but you seem to totally miss that around 70% of people who use a Microsoft OS use XP.....

I do agree that they should have done tests on the newer OS'.

-510

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