Chinese Pirates Angry Over Microsoft’s Blackout Anti-Piracy Tool

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rss245

I would say Microsoft is pushing the Chinese into the Linux world  because there is no way the people in China can afford the ridiculously high prices of Microsoft products. My guess is this one will push people in china to Linux like never before.

 Its a good thing. I as a user of Microsoft 's awful monopoly am fed up with rebooting.

REBOOT THIS MICROSOFT!  You can not keep your system running for more than a month. Why? Because Microsoft keeps putting out updates that force you to reboot and most of them are not device driver updates so why does that happen? Its pathetic and Vista is an awful awful product which should never have been released. Anyone who bought and uses the product sabotaged their PC.

I am leaning more and more toward Linux. If only the world of Linux included a full suite of supported products to get use the heck away from Microsoft's awful software. If only!

I am sick of rebooting which wastes too much time in my lifetime from my perspective.

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roninnder

Wait, did I fall back through time?  I seem to remember Windows Genuine Advantage being around for a long time, possibly years.  Did I miss something here?

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fuzz_64

Not a huge fan of theirs but yeah, why should someone get Windows for free and expect it to work?

 Don't buy retail versions of an OS... those are freakin' expensive.  When it comes OEM on a PC though often the price works out to be only $50-$125 depending on version, which is a fair price for the software.

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bcweir

In a very rare circumstance, I find myself in agreement with M$. I don't know about you, but I'd be pretty peeved if I spent big bucks on a legitimate copy of a M$, only to discover that somebody else was able to get a fully operational PIRATED copy for literally a couple of pennies on the dollar. What the hell did I bother spending the money for on a legitimate copy then?

I rail on M$ for a number of valid reasons <strong>[crappy products, high software prices, confusing upgrade paths that sometimes border on useless, confusing (sometimes worthless) features that bog down the performance of the OS, etc.]</strong>. But I don't begrudge them on the <strong>principle of wanting to get a return on their investment through legitimate software sales</strong>. Even a M$ programmer probably has himself/herself and families to feed.

If M$ is going to go down, let them go down for legitimate reasons (putting out one more crappy product that doesn't work, or users migrating to a better product). Nobody deserves to have their IP (intellectual property) stolen from them.

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Spider-Mom

People who say MS could solve all of this by lowering their prices are just absolutly foolish. Its good to see that so meny people have no problem making an ass out of them selvs on the internet.

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dstevens

Like everyone here hasnt looked at the price of XP when it was first released, not to mention any version of Vista ($400.00 for Vista Ultimate??? FU MS!!!) and said WTF...

  • Maybe microshaft should consider that yeah its being pirated, but why? oh wait.. cause it costs four hundred dollars...400 x 40 billion = didnt they make enough money already?

  • Hasnt XP reached the OS EOL?

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx

  • Why should they care if they are not selling xp anymore?

  • Would you pay 800 - 1000 for windows 7 when it comes out? ( considering the price ramp of different iterations of windows i can see that easily so dont be like oh no never gonna happen)

  •  bite me MS. yeah we all need it but when you unreasonably raise the price of a product based on availability and need (not demand, need - as pointed out in another reply.. we need these operating systems) isnt that price gouging? Dont people goto jail for that? Cause windows isnt federally taxed at a pump its ok?

  • im almost suprised that MS dosent just blank all xp screens world wide and force us to buy thier vista OS, and then do it again when windows 7 comes out. isnt it in thier eula - "we own this software not you so we can do whatever we want to it."?

  •  why are they doing this in just china? ill tell you why.. cause bill gates likes his mansion and if he tried to do this in america we would march on him like an angry mob and burn his house down along with all the MS buildings we can find...

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    bcweir

    You must be one of those "entitlement" babies that believes "because it's there and I want it, I deserve it."  Must be wonderful to live on your planet -- everybody works for free and can't afford anything because nobody pays for it.

    Do you realize you're defending PIRACY?  There are legitimate alternatives:  it's called OPEN SOURCE, better known as Linux!  But no, you want YOUR stuff for free, and screw the rest of us who pay through the nose for legitimate copies?

    As I said before, I have my own gripes with Microsoft, not with their employees.  Are you saying that all of those employees with families to feed ought to work for FREE for YOU?  When did you become so freaking special?

     

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    Spider-Mom

    This is just stupid. You obviously have NO understanding at all of economics. I mean my god...NEED????? Theres no demand for an os we NEED it? Whos going to die if we dont have Wondows? Get a clue dude. Why should they care if their not selling it? EOL? Price gouging? Blank all XP screens? Why to China?

     

    This post has all the signs of retardation. FYI the reason MS is still selling XP is because they are giving into consumer demand(need? get a life) for the OS over Vista. And guess what, MS IS doing this in the US. And if you march on his house you will be promptly thrown in jail. So pelase, for the good of us all, do so. jUZ Luze buddy

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    nekollx

    actualy Jocko MS is not selling XP any more what is selling is old stock and downgrades but not new XP.

     The same with 32 bit Viasta no new 32 bit Vista (only 64 bit) is being produced.

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    Bohica55

     

    Talk about Hypocrisy!! The land of piracy and lousy products have the nerve to complain about the illegal programs being disabled. When the majority of people, almost 100% actually, buy extremely cheap programs and then can't use them should know better.

    You can't go after the pirate directly, but if enough people can't use a program then the pirate may be out of business. They have to know it is an illegal copy when the cost is a fraction of store prices. I have been offered items, programs and hardware at a price that tells me it is a copy that I can't use or is stolen. Be smarter than that and the prices may not go up so much so fast.

     Be safe, check it out and too bad for China. Maybe they will get the idea that crap doesn't sell.

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    mikemckay

    more people probably wont retaliate against them by making viruses etc because its a lot more difficult to make money doing that as it is to simply crack the software so its usable. retaliating by making viruses for the os would just hurt everyone. microsoft could have done a hell of a lot worse.....call it extreme but ms should be formatting hard drives.

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    Dustandshadow13

    I feel that this is a good move on Microsoft's part. The reasoning for this will spread fast and people will realize that they got screwed when they bought it and turn their attention to the source of the problem. Its the only way to get a point accross in a counrty such as China, where their gov. obviously does not care about these counterfit profits.

    All this talk about lowering prices to stop the piracy will not accomplish anything, games are only 50 bucks now and I can go download them if I want to. If MS lowered the price to even 10 dollars the pirates would sell it for 5.

    As for the people who didn't know it, i understand that is is possible for some people to have been totally clueless about getting a pirated copy, but if I go to one store and its $150 and at this store its $50.. Something stinks.. Just because people in china don't have a lot of money doesn't mean that "rich" MS needs to hand out software so hey can afford it. That kind of talk leads down a real dark road. A PC is a luxury not some universal right, if their gov. feels that they need the PCs that badly they should subsidize its cost or something so they can afford it.

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    Velcrow

    Of course, it will be interesting to see if this causes retaliation from the hackers (who undoubtedly have pirated versions) in China. What's the over/under on the virus spike we're about to see? I'll set the number at... 30% more than normal. Who's game?

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    r3dd4wg

    Microsoft could have wiped out their hard drive instead of just showing a "black screen".  If the user paid for it and it's showing the black screen, they should call MS and resolve it, OTHERWISE, TOO BAD.

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    Cache

    China is the premier country when it comes to pirated items of every size and shape, I personally applaud MS for taking this route to ensure the viability of their product.  Sure, right now the users might be angry at MS for ruining their copy--but MS is located quite far from those afflicted in China.

    The hackers and pirates selling this stuff are no so fortunate, and if enough people are locked out from their computers, they will go to the ones selling this stuff.  

    Considering the Chinese government is essentially toothless when it comes to any kind of business regulation or standards, MS has had no choice but to take the steps that it did.  As more users find themselves unable to access the computer, China may actually be forced to take steps necessary to ensure more ethical business practices--and frankly, that benefits everyone.  Certainly, it benefits people better than if they are buying milk, lead-lined toys, and pirated movies/games/programs that the nuetered Chinese governmen has never bothered to reign in.

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    storm747

    I used to own a pirated software.It use to be very expensive to own a PC and much more expensive to buy a legitimate Windows software.But things have change a lot nowadays.

    Microsoft has actually lowered the prices of his OEM software so much that it is actually affordable for the said person who wants to own a new PC.A new PC would cost an average of USD600 and above and OEM software in developing countries only cost an average of USD75 to USD80 per copy.Yet most people opt to buy pirated versions.Why?Because it's cheap:)

    They could afford a USD600 and above PC but they did not want to fork out USD80 for a genuine software that makes the PC runs any other programme with it.How would you feel if you had invested heavily on a product,marketed it just to find out that your product were than pirated and sold to a billion people with hundreds of billion dollars going to the coffers of the pirated companies instead of yours.

    Nowadays I buy a genuine Windows software.It's supported officially and updated regularly and although it doesn't seems fair for Microsoft to sell it at USD80 to more than a billion people,it is actually their right to protect their business interest.I don't agree pirates get to be rich.Consumers must know this fact so that the continuation of innovative products could continue and benefit everyone in the future

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    dullthud

    The software is stolen goods, PERIOD. MS is simply making a point about a flawed system. They could have disbled the OS's completely if they wanted to. I am also quite sure the Chinese government was warned in advance about this tactic and chose to do nothing about it. Not that there was much they could do consideing the scale of the affected systems. But, we're not just talking private user's here, A LOT of businesses are also affected, and that's why the Chinese gov. is so hot. Now they get to rant about "unfair" this, and, "illegal" that, this is the typical Chinese gov. move when they want world attention, they use it as a negotiating tactic. And believe me, the Chinese media will spin this anyway they are told to, no free press, remember. MS has to stand tough here and ignore government pressure, or they will never achieve any kind of piracy reduction in China. Maybe some Chinese people will switch to Linux, or maybe MS will reduce local prices for their 'wares, but if they back off after such a huge public move they will lose huge face in Asia.

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    Rltyg

    This countries whole economic model is built off piracy.  They have been producing well know American copyright meterial for decades, and selling them as genuine.  When you buy pirated software, you know what you are doing, I'm not falling for this whole inocent consumer shit.  Let the Chinese Government sort out this mess.  They are the ones who caused it.

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    wk

    Microsoft should know better, a simple solution of providing a reasonable priced OS should solve the problem. 

    people in "developing" countries!! (including me) can't spend that much for just OS, they can get complete generic PC system  for that price. So don't blame people only for piracy. if OS price is reasonable everyone will purshase it and i think MS will not loss by this move (reduce selling price will be compensated by increase in selling Qty).

    Not all people live in America, and MS is an international organization, so they should consider economy situation in other countries and can sell their OS according to country economy through legitimate retail sellers.

    MPC is my home page

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    Velcrow

    We're talking about the single most important piece of software on your entire computer. The OS. The brains to run your otherwise lifeless machine. It's not a PC game that you play for about 50 hours and then forget about. You use it every time you hit that power button. Do you guys have any idea what it takes to make a robust OS like Windows. Look how long it's taken Linux to catch up (realistically guys, I'm talking user friendly).

    And I build my own machines, so I buy OEM. Right now you can get Vista Home Premium for about $99 on Newegg. Twice the price of a game for software you get 100 times more use of.

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    Ignorant_Techie

    First, based on a news report here:

    http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=92655&newsChannel=technologyNews

    The black out isn't "permanent" (around the :30 mark of the video story) but will happen once an hour and only after the system attempts to do an update.  So to argue that it doesn't give users the opportunity to continue using their system until they can receive a legit copy is only semi-reasonable.

    Microsoft has every right to defend their product to the best of their ability within reason.  Does this method cross the line of "reason"? 

    Those that argue the cost of Microsoft OS is ridiculous...I agree but that doesn't mean I can go out and steal their product.  I either suck it up or choose an alternate product.  That may mean learning how to use another OS, but that would be the choice I have.  The argument of software compatibility has limited argument but there are also ways around that with utilities such as WINE (as an example).

    Those that unknowingly purchased pirated copies have rights to be upset.  They may have even paid realistic retail prices for the product (such as pre-installed on a pre-built system where the cost is "hidden" as with systems from Dell and HP or from a "legit" vendor who they themselves got fooled into purchasing pirated copies), but that is ultimately between the seller and buyer...not Microsoft.

    I personally think Microsoft should now take steps to assist those with pirated copies; steep discount or even free copies of the OS in turn for information as to where the pirated versions came from.  Of course, this is just my opinion.  I've heard rumors they've done this before...whether that's true or not...it's a rumor.

    All in all, as others have stated I am willing to bet that there will be a crack put out very soon and another day will go on with this just being a hiccup to those that were victimized or intentionally stole the product... 

    If this is not formatted in paragraphs, I apologize as I attempted...

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    mikemckay

    bill gates made some dick moves in the past but he didnt break the law when he did all that stuff. sure, some people cant afford the software so they steal it or buy pirated copies...thats totally understandable....but they know that is a risk and shouldnt whine when it bites them in the ass. many different varieties of linux are more than good enough for the average user. i am curious how many people in china that take part in manufacturing the hardware in our pcs use pirated copies of windows....and for that matter, how many apple employees there do too......as for the people who can stop ms from 'playing with the masses money', anyone can help. STOP USING IT. use something else instead like linux (i dont think i have to list reasons not to go with apple). maybe microsoft will realise the market is moving away from them and towards cheaper or free alternatives and adjust their prices.....using their software helps keep it in the mainstream and complaining about it wont solve anything.

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    pcfreako

    Its pretty shocking how many of you side with microsoft and say that the buyers of the OS should have done some research before buying cos Microsoft is basically a business built upon piracy. Bill Gates weaseled himself into Apple(who themselves stole technology from Zerox)and whaddya know? Before Apple put out their product, Bill Gates did and he did so using Apples technology (no I am not an Apple fan). Did you research that?

       You know when you're being cheated when the price is worth a months (or several months) worth of your pay.

    Those who side with MS probably dont care because they are either rich or delude themselves that original for whatever the price is not a cheat...  MSs bosses are pretty greedy and since they own the market, whos going to stop them from playing with the masses money?

     This measure against piracy was practically stupid. Stopping them from using pcs wont help when all there is is piracy.. MS is rich, so there shouldnt be a bloody problem in setting up proper franchises there and PROVING their originality. If they really wanted to stop piracy then they would, but they just wanted to mess with the users.   Not every other country is America so be open minded bout this. Maybe the programmers of this idea thought it was good but to deal with this it requires the marketing people of MS...

     

       Just my two cents  (woah thats a friggin essay :P) 

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    johnny3144

    if any of you guys actually lived in china, you would know this move microsoft pulled off is total BS. in china, most people don't purposely go buy pirated software, most don't even know what the difference is. sometimes, pirated software and real software looks and feels almost the same other than the price. how bad is it? i don't think i saw a single copy of legit software in the 11 year i lived there back in china. well... either that or the pirated and legit copy looks the same...

     it's so bad in fact if you walk into a store and buy a laptop that's not major brand, it will most likely to have a pirated copy of windows.

    so microsoft is most likely punishing those victems who don't even knew they bought pirated software.

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    Velcrow

    And your point is... what? Microsoft should bite the big one because the Chinese government could care less about the IP and profits of an American company? It's true that it sucks for those who are too ignorant to do the right research. But I bet they know now, albeit with some anti-MS spin from the media. Is Microsoft the bad guy here? Certainly not. They needed to make a big statement, and there it was.

    "sometimes, pirated software and real software looks and feels almost the same other than the price." - PRICE, the best damn indicator on the planet. If it's too good to be true, it usually is. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that a lot of people probably DO know they're taking a risk at getting pirated software, but they justify the risk to save their coins.

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    johnny3144

    i understand microsoft need to defend their properties, but i am sure there are less brutal ways. imagin yourself bought a computer and findout you have to pay $150(note we are talking about dollar here, that's around a month pay check for average chinese) to use your computer. linux? reasonable for an average user? i think not. how about disable the computer at some extend? or at least give the user a month deadline so they can use the computer before they go buy or save up for a copy. and you can't expect an average user to do reasearch, not everybody go around the net reasearch before they buy, some simply lack the skill. beside, when every copy of the software you see on the market is 60 yen, you assume it's the price of a real copy(again, little reaserach would show, but we are talking about the other 90% of population who don't know how to research). i live in canda, and even up here, some people don't even know what is the price for a legit copy of windows is.

    i am not saying microsoft is all evil and stuff. i am simply showing sympathy for those who didn't know what piracy is and got black screened.

     

    i just felt their approch was quite... brutal

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    spideyman

    I have 2 computers and 2 original copies of XP. It's a shame that so many people resort to piracy for their operating systems. If you can't afford an OS, maybe you can't afford a PC either!!

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    urdead4g

    Well said. I find too many people take the "PC world" for granted and don't understand that it's not cheap to run a pc. If people have a problem with a company's solution to piracy, too bad. It's the price you get for using pirated copies in the first place. And "if they didn't know" they were using a pirated copy in the first place, it's unfortunate they dove into this "PC world" blind folded.

    Kev.

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    thegamepro

    It looks like microsoft found a DRM solution that actually punishes the pirates instead of the legit paying consumers.  Good for them.  The other side can't argue to microsoft about that because after all they did steal it.  Maybe if they actually bought microsofts OS's America wouldn't need to owe China that much money after all....

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    mikemckay

    Microsoft is losing money here....obviously they can't go out and find every illegal reseller by themselves. As awful as it would be to buy software and later discover it was illegitimate, this seems like a good way to get people to revolt against companies that sell the illegitimate software to unsuspecting users by making it that much more obvious. Reasons for charging so much for software arent just the costs of making the CDs or the initial costs of creating the OS.....they dont just stop there. It takes an unbelieveable amount of work to create an OS and staff as many support people and programmers as microsoft does. Microsoft is a business. They make as much money as they can. Thats what businesses do. They can charge whatever they want because they have arguably the best operating systems. For the record, I do think they charge too much and i used a pirated XP for a long time when i couldnt afford better.....but i still bought real versions of XP and Vista when i could afford them because im an I.T. student and imo, they were worth it. If windows costs too much for you to buy or if you just dont agree with their prices, use linux instead and shun them as a form of protest because theres not much else you can do about it (legally). With the amount of expendable labor in China, you would think the government could create their own OS.......

    It's like someone stealing your cell phone, reselling it, and then having someone you have never met call YOU the asshole for cancelling your plan on them.

    I know someone who unknowingly bought a stolen car only to have the cops take it away from him about a week later. He was screwed over royally but he sure wasnt enough of an asshole to blame the original owner. would you?

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    praetor_alpha

    There are completely legitimate blames for both sides.

    People should buy legit copies of software, even if it takes open source to do it. It might finally jump start Linux and other open source development.

    Microsoft should stop charging a month's (or several month's) wage for their OS. Charge no more than $50, a price of a PC game, you will still make millions. And don't neuter it either. One and only one Windows edition to rule them all.

    Besides, Windows 7 is supposed to be modular, right?

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    b_boy_69_00

    I've been a victim of a blackout, when I bought a pc awhile back it was a used dell with XP Pro on it.  The guy said that that's what it came with and I never thought anything about it.  A week after I bought it I went to update it and it blacked me out.  When I called MS with my serial number they told me that it had already been registered and that this copy had been reported pirated.  So I had to buy Vista Home Premium to use my computer.

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    Vegan

    Ha, it's good to see that lawyers everywhere say hilarious things.

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    Wareagle

    All the more reason to promote the use of open-source software in developing nations.  When you use proprietary software, you put yourself at the mercy of its developers for continued support.

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    Velcrow

    This has absolutely nothing to do with the article. Seems like a completely unneccesary jab at commercial software. Microsoft fully supports legitimate users... so China should go open source because their pirated copies stopped working? No connection at all.

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    urdead4g

    Agreed Velcrow.

     

    Kev.

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    skhills

    I know the black screen follows the MS tradition of not providing users with any information as to why their system suddenly failed, like their infamous way of providing abstract error numbers that don't give an indication of the problem. 

    I think it would be a little more useful to at least blue screen people with a message saying the OS had been detected as a pirated copy and they should go to the vendor, just in case the people honestly thought they had purchased a legitimate copy and paid a lot for it.  The black screen just probably has a billion people scratching their heads right now.

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    jtrpop

    Pull the plug on the pirates.  Let the communist government suffer.  This should help teach the government, the sellers, and the users not to pirate.  Microsoft is doing the right thing.

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    RandomInt

    Wait, you mean that $4 copy of Vista is not legit? Waaaaaaah!

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    johnny3144

    that's 40 yen you're talking about. incase you wonder, that worth around a whole day of work for average workers.

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    dropslash

    Although they may use the same recognized symbol, (¥), Yen is the currency of Japan, not China.

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    hogkill

    because you can live in China for dirt cheap because everything is bloody well pirated.  It's a vicious cycle that hurts both economies.

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    johnny3144

    i just think microsoft should sell their software for a bit cheaper, and it solves the whole piracy issue... and they can sell way more copies to make up the price difference.... in the end, comon... how much does it take to burn the bloody DVD? if windows sells for 50 dollar a copy, i doubt piracy have much to live on.

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    yogurt80

    I would never trust an OS that's pirated, because you can't get any updates, etc.  I think it's a good idea, but MS has done this to themselves by charging so much for there OS.  Seriously, I've built a couple rigs, and it seems so crazy to me to have to spend so much on a dvd to make it run after just spending so much on the hardware.  I mean, seriously- you can get a stupid fast proc for the same price as Vista premium- or xp pro, for that matter.  MS is still milking that near decade old OS at full retail.  Silly.  Think of the technology that is involved in building a mobo or proc., and then think about the technology that is required to burn and spit out a disc.  It's crazy.  I can buy a nice DVD burner for $30, but then MS wants to charge $200 for a disc that's been burned in one of those.  Kinda like $100 ink for a $40 printer.

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    nekollx

    your not paying for the Disc your paying for the hundreds of man hours that went into coding the disc. Think of it this way. When you by that GT280 your paying not so much for the PCB but for the peopel who asembled and though up that PCB

     

    same with software

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    yogurt80

    I understand this, but hink of how many people own a genuine windows xp disc.  At ~150 each, all that R&D is paid for in the first couple weeks of sales, (maybe not quite as fast with Vista, since it was slow out of the gate).  I mean with xp, we're talking about an OS that is almost a decade old, and even though it's now "old school," the most basic version still runs $90!  Basic research and development (minus service packs) was paid off on that program many years ago, and MS has made probably close to $88 profit on each disc sold since!  Now the'yre just spitting out cloned discs!  They could cut the prices in half, and still turn plenty of profit, maybe more- I'd personally upgrade my OS every couple years if the price was worthwhile.  Add to this the fact that I can pay the same price for the same price for the 64bit version of Vista Premium, and it just doesn't make sence.  Buy now, they should be giving out copies of XP with the purchase of usb flash drives.  Look at all the R&D that goes into a game.  They hit the market at $50- $60 each, and within a year, you can pick them up for under $20, by which time they're already obsolete.

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    BrookV

    People who bought copies of software in China only to find that it was illigitimate can tke their quarrels to the people that sold it to them. NOT to Microsoft.

    Just like their poisoned milk fiasco, don't blame the cow that made the milk. Blame the dairy farmers that poisoned it and sold it!

    As for the pirates, the heck with 'em. Let them suffer. They belong in jail!

    This attorney obviously isn't thinking before speaking. Microsoft isnt intruding or hacking. They are on the offense..and they are winning for a change! Go Microsoft Go!

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    Wildebeast

    Hmmm, so more software pirates really are living under Totalitarian regimes, or "Axis of Evil..."

    I wonder how many of those "blacked out" computers are owned & operated by the Chinese Government?  :D

    Seems odd to say, but I gotta agree with MS over the Chinese.  They're at least a partial cause of all the DRM garbage we get to wade through. --Serves them right.

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    LatiosXT

    I feel like Zhengwei is trying to play victim here. I can see his point, but he should have the sense to figure out whether or not his version of Windows is pirated (looking for tale tale signs at least) and then go after the merchant who provided the copy when it's proven to be fake. If Microsoft backed out, it's essentially letting pirates get their way, which wouldn't solve the problem anyway But as said earlier, if this whole thing started going after legitimate users, that's a concern.

     Also I'm pretty sure the EULA has more things you're agreeing to than you wouldn't like anyway.

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    Superfly

    this really does suck for the ppl that bought it legitmately only to find out it's a fack and a bad one at that, this is a interesting move by MS but........ w/e  i wish those ppl GL cause i don't think MS will help them

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