CES 2013: USB 3.0 Super Duper Speed On The Way

43

Comments

+ Add a Comment
avatar

RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Are there Intel-based motherboards with USB 3.0 and SATA 6 exclusively?

Why does Intel hold onto old tech, when new tech is backwards-compatible?

avatar

whr4usa

actually the 1155/2011 platform family was going to get a new, 'hybrid' storage controller (SATA III ++ SAS II) but it was found to be incompatible with some legacy disk firmware specifically from several popular productlines of manufacturers whom nolonger exist as indepednent entities AND Microsoft's wise choice to focus on commodity storage for virtualization and relatives initiatives make it a non-priority for intel

...and yes, it probably does cost less ...though you're talking $2 per component difference mayhaps, significant @ scale, still not much though...

avatar

Peanut Fox

On my current board I've only get USB 3.0 ports, and of the 10 SATA ports on the board, only 2 of them are SATA 3GB/s, the rest are SATA 6GB/s. Though that's more due to Gigabyte than Intel.

But like has been said it's a cost issue.

avatar

Mediziner

No, and to save money.

avatar

Strangelove_424

I've seen a prototype external GPU for thunderbolt, so if they can get USB up to 6+gb/s, external GPUs may become commonplace.

avatar

andrewc513

I kind of wish Micro USB 3.0 would pick up speed. Hard drives are about the only thing so far I've seen with them. It would be a godsend for tablet charging and killing proprietary cables. That's right, I'm calling you out, Samsung.

avatar

stradric

Let's also not forget that Thunderbolt requires active cables, which means they're expensive. There are some advantages that Thunderbolt has over USB 3.0 besides speed (like daisy chaining power), but the prohibitively expensive cables make me completely uninterested.

I'm also biased because I already have a bunch of USB 3 devices. But I've never seen a device I was interested in that required Thunderbolt. Like Firewire, I think it's dead in the water. I like universal standards, thank you.

avatar

Opm2

I do have firewire devices but they are high end peripherals.

I think thunderbolt will be adopted in these type settings but not mainstream.

avatar

Mediziner

I can just see this happening later: Introducing the sucessor to Thunderbolt, Thunderbolt 2.0! It's 4 times faster that the original thunderbolt, and twice as expensive!

avatar

gothliciouz

but but most ssd drives can only write 400/600 MB, besides the sata 3.0 spec is only 600 MB max, wouldn't the be a bottleneck?.

avatar

Peanut Fox

You could have a 3rd party controller from someone like Marvell that could handle the higher speeds of the new format. Board makers would just add those chips onto the board to manage the spec until Intel and AMD got around to supporting it natively.

It's not just for SSDs either. It'd be great to not have to invest in Thunderbolt specific equipment if you wanted to run external storage with 4 to 6 hard drives.

avatar

whr4usa

indeed and everybody forgets about drives with 32-64MB++ cache, which will run the maximum interface speed

also keep in mind that chipset storage controllers almost never give full bandwidth to anything but a boot device by design and even then it can be questionable

P.S;

SATA III == 768 MB/s (MegaBytes not bits)

SATA II == 384 MBps
SATA I == 192 MBps

avatar

Opm2

What I'd like to see is technology innovations that actually take advantage of this.

I have yet to even own a USB 3.0 device nor have any motivation to buy one.

This one was a hard no but I resisted.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/looflirpa/igrill.shtml

Who doesn't want a George Foreman Grill that is USB powered? That says "wtf I grill while I smack newbs biatch!" to me.

Maybe this new USB will be powerful enough to run a fridge.

avatar

andrewc513

There's plenty taking advantage of it now.

1) External hard drives. USB 2.0 was always a bottleneck, now it's not with 3.0. Other options with no bottleneck, like eSATA, have existed for a while, but required 2 cables. One for power, one for data.

2) Flash drives. They're faster, but not by much as of right now. The real benefit here is that USB 3.0 allow for bi-directional traffic. Meaning when you try and do multiple I/O operations, it won't bog down like a USB 2.0 would. That applies to hard drives, too. For me, I love having Windows setup media on USB 3.0 drives. Installing Windows to an SSD from a USB 3.0 drives is stupid fast.

3) Universal laptop docks. The increased bandwidth is a miracle for cheaper USB docks. The lag and display quality on older USB 2.0 docks were frustrating to no end.

4) External Blu-ray players.

5) NICs. If you have an ultrabook with no ethernet(like an XPS 13), then it's a good way to get gigabit ethernet. When 802.11ac becomes mainstream, USB 3.0 wireless adapters are a nice option for getting gigabit wifi to desktops and older laptops that at least have USB 3.0 ports.

avatar

Opm2

Still a pretty niche market and hard to justify for your average user.

Even with USB 2.0 you can install windows from a flashdrive in under 15min. Filling an 8GB flashdrive takes about ten minutes. Fast enough for me. If I had a 64GB flashdrive and ferried data with it a lot, then maybe.

I have yet to choke a USB NIC (dual band N) on a USB 2.0 port.

Are you running programs off your External HD? Even USB 2.0 can manage video streaming from them. Easy enough to let transfers run in the background.

avatar

whr4usa

how does an interface that's fully-backwards-compatible qualify as niche?

you won't choke a USB wifi receiver because wifi gateways are the bottlenecks, no endpoints

the 'juicy' featureset of USB 3.0 is its available power, full-duplex nativity and specificity of the standard itself preventing (hopefully) issues like some Dell-branded mice preventing POST on gigabyte mainboards (lol) and allowing processor-integrated controllers instead of being a subssytem with discrete controllers off the motherbaord chipset

avatar

Opm2

Devices, not ports.

avatar

whr4usa

irrelevant - my point remains.

avatar

Opm2

And so does mine. There are no devices pushing the upgrade. Therefore no demand.

avatar

whr4usa

uhm, no ...you obviosly didn't comprehend what I typed if you actually read it

avatar

AETAaAS

It's all about speed, not what else it can a USB socket do. :p I have 2x2TB drives in a USB 2.0 enclosure for backup and archive reasons. But it is becoming irritatingly slow. Sometimes I take them out and put them in an eSATA dock because it would actually be faster that way.

If you have no need for speed, these spec bumps would hold no interest for you. :p

avatar

whr4usa

USB 3.0 is kind of necessary for the future of our ecosytem and it has nothing to do with 'speed'.

avatar

Electrik

I’m leaning toward “ludicrous speed”.

avatar

Trouble4u

What's the matter Colonial Sanders? Chicken?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygE01sOhzz0

For those too lazy....

avatar

DogPatch1149

When the transfer speed can go plaid, I'll be impressed. :P

avatar

AETAaAS

“ludicrous speed” in my eyes would suggest some form of excess. When it comes to data transfer rates, there is no such thing... :p

avatar

Member221

I like the idea of naming it Super Duper USB 3.0

avatar

gordonung

Now that I think about it, Lightning Rod might be good too just to piss off the Thunderbolt folks.

avatar

gordonung

OPM, um, sorry, but I was trying to cancel some spammer and accidentally clicked your account. Trying to find out how to undo it but haven't figured out how yet. Sorry man.

avatar

AFDozerman

Hey, gordon. I was going by ashinms for awhile there when suddenly I couldn't log in. Any chance something similar happened? I know my phone kept setting off the spam filter and assumed it had something to do with it. Any chance I could get my old account back?

avatar

gordonung

It doesn't look like the account even exists anymore. Have you tried just recreating it?

avatar

AFDozerman

Yeah, it says that it still exists, but I can't access it or create a new one: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110904036265334516012/posts?tab=wX (just look at the only picture in the entire account to see the page I keep getting)
It could be that I may have pissed someone off, because my account on toms hardware by the same name also went down the same day. I was using the same password, so it could be that if they got one they got into the other. Just seems unlikely because I was using a 16 character password.

avatar

gordonung

Shoot, it's possible...but I don't know if anything can ever be reverted...I'll have to poke around a bit.

avatar

Bullwinkle J Moose

Relax!
Tech Experts are usually friendly people....

Just ask the janitor at Max PC for some help

Hahahahhahahhahhahahhahahhahaha

avatar

Opm2

No worries.

Easy enough to make a new account.

avatar

kiaghi7

Ctrl + Z! :D

avatar

Budman_NC

+1 good one! :-)

avatar

goodtime

Instead of usb 3.0 superspeed why not just call it usb 3.5 or something? Then again I'm no expert.

avatar

lindethier

Yeah, that would be a simple way of naming it, hope they do it.

avatar

kiaghi7

indeed, I think a fractional notation would be preferable, just like they did with USB 1.0, and then USB 1.1

Perhaps they could just call it 3.1, both to differentiate it from base-3.0 and of course to purposely leave options for possible future updates or the like.

avatar

DeltaFIVEengineer

Does it really matter? I mean, really?

avatar

kiaghi7

Well yes, of course it matters...

You can have an assortment of disks for instance, and for the casual eye they are more or less the same... However one can be a CD, another a DVD, another a DVD-DL, another an HD-DVD, and yet another a Blue Ray, and so on and so forth...

When things look alike, it's even more important to differentiate them when their differences are so significant.

avatar

Peanut Fox

Yes. Yes it does. Names always matter.

Log in to MaximumPC directly or log in using Facebook

Forgot your username or password?
Click here for help.

Login with Facebook
Log in using Facebook to share comments and articles easily with your Facebook feed.