CD Projekt Red Calls off Legal Threats

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KenLV

Shame. They should have stuck to their guns. Anyone who DIDN'T pirate the game has NO REASON to be anything but PRO-CD Projekt Red. All you lying POSes who say you pirate BECAUSE of DRM have ALWAYS been full of crap – and this is the proof. Here is a company that did it’s damdest to make sure the LEGALLY purchasing public did NOT get their buying and playing experience spoiled by the entitled few but they still get thrashed because they then went after those who stole their product. For those who steal there will ALWAYS be some “justification”.

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ShadowGryphon

What CD Projekt Red has done is not extortion.

ex·tor·tion noun 1. an act or instance of extorting. 2. Law . the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority. 3. oppressive or illegal exaction, as of excessive price or interest: the extortions of usurers. 4. anything extorted.
What they have done is engage in collections from people who owed them money, and as I see it CD Projekt Red needs to follow through instead of pussing out.

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Master__shake

wouldn't demanding money in exchange for protection be considered extortion???

the people who pirated the game aren't being made to pay for the game, they're being made to pay for protection against litigation.

sounds like extortion to me.

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ApathyCurve

I can't understand why anyone would pirate it in the first place.  Bought The Witcher at a Steam sale and it wasn't even worth the seven bucks I paid for it.  Different strokes I suppose, but it did nothing for me.

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h e x e n

I approve of Projekt Red. I didn't buy the Witcher 2, mainly because I never finished the first one, but I support their methods and business model when it comes to DRM.

It's not wrong to back out of a mistake you have made, whether it be an individual or an entire company. These guys are legit, and I applaud them for reversing their policies based on community feedback. It's pretty rare these days.

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Eoraptor

Sorry, I can't "commend" anyone for deciding ~after the fact~ to refrain from extortion and blind money grabs. I'm sorry you couldn't be bothered to pay for an investigator to look into websites and individuals who actually WERE stealing your product, but don't come to the community, hat in hand, and expect forgivness for utilizing the same tactics used by the likes of patent trolls and those copyright hounds over at Righthaven. 

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Danthrax66

Except these people actually were pirating. It would have been a lot worse for those people if they went to court simply asking for money for a game they downloaded and got caught doing isn't bad. It isn't at all difficult to identify torrentors you simply watch the tracker and record IPs. In fact I would rather have it this way.

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CaptainFabulous

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Just because they say they are pirates doesn't mean they are. I'm with the others on this. Too little too late.

I also see there is no mention of them refunding all the extorition money they've collected.

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DoctorX

Actually you are wrong.  Innocent until proven guilty is only in criminal cases.  In civil tort cases, it is guilty until proven innocent.  In criminal cases, the burden of proof is on the prosecution.  In civil court cases the burden of proof of innocence in on the accused.

Messed up i know, but that is how it has always been.

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Danthrax66

Right but this is basically a settlement. Saying we can take you to court and go through a trial to try to prove you did and you can try to prove you didn't do it; or you can just pay for the game and we won't come after you. This honestly just sounds like a settlement to avoid actual court cases which would include a lot harsher punishement for any caught. And based on previous court rulings it is kind of hard to win against content devs. If I was legitemitaly caught torrenting that game I would gladly pay the price of the game to avoid court, and if you didn't do it then you can not pay them and actually go through with the court case which is what would have happened anyway. The fact of the matter is a lot of people torrented this game, and when they got caught they started to claim it was extorsion instead of pay for what they already have.

 

Also just looked up the definition and extorsion requires the threat of violence, not the threat that we will take this to court if we have to. " Extortion (also called shakedownoutwresting, and exaction) is a criminal offence which occurs when a person unlawfully obtains either money, property or services from a person(s), entity, or institution, through coercion. Refraining from doing harm is sometimes euphemistically called protection. Extortion is commonly practiced by organized crime groups. The actual obtainment of money or property is not required to commit the offense. Making a threat of violence which refers to a requirement of a payment of money or property to halt future violence is sufficient to commit the offense. Exaction refers not only to extortion or the unlawful demanding and obtaining of something through force,[1] but additionally, in its formal definition, means the infliction of something such as pain and suffering or making somebody endure something unpleasant. "

 

I'm pretty sure the lawyers that came up with this plan are a lot more intelligent than the community when it comes to things like this, CD projekt just felt like it wasn't worth continueing since the gaming community is filled with people that either don't understand or completely ignore the law. Regardless of your stance on piracy it is illegal and these people should be dealt with. I would love to see them sue everyone they caught instead, even though they were trying to avoid that.

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Eoraptor

Threat of actual, psychologically harmful and financially crippling litigation is indeed a threat of violence. Because not only are you brought before a judge, as well as anyone present in the court room, but your name is also in the paper, on the radio, and on the internet as a matter of public record. Meaning from now on, any potential employer, creditor, or other party running a background check will see your name associated with civil trial charges, even if you are NOT convicted. That is legitimate harm done to your person by another party.

Just because it doesn't involve fists and lead pipes and pistols does not make it NOT extortion. You could call it blackmail, if you feel so strongly that it's NOT EXTORTION... but it's six of one, half a dozen of the other.

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CaptainFabulous

Um yes, that's EXACTLY why it's extortion. "Just pay us this sum up front and we won't take you to court where you'll surely lose and owe us millions even if you're innocent". People pay not because they're guilty, but because the chance of being found guilty even if you're not is astronomical. It is indeed extortion. With little to no proof they accuse you of guilt and then coerce you into admitting your guilt and paying them a "settlement", otherwise they'll sick their lawyers on you. How is this NOT extortion?

In simpler terms, PAY us or we THREATEN to take you court. It's a money grab that preys upon the real fear of an unfair judicial system, pure and simple. Which is highly unpleasant and I'm sure would cause anyone emotional pain and suffering, especially if you don't have $2500 lying around.

Lawyers are very smart at dreaming up ways of extracting money out of people. Doesn't make it right, or even legal. Just ask Righthaven's lawyers who are currently up for disbarment due to how "smart" they thought they were.

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Scatter

You mean innocent until a lawyer can convince a jury that you're guilty.  Just like a fingerprint at a crime scene a matched IP isn't 100% proof of a crime but it's still pretty damning to a person claiming that he was never even there at all. 

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mhouston100

So they do the wrong thing, then appologize and we are supposed to respect them?

I would respect a company that does the right thing from the get-go more...

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Scatter

Because you're perfect and never make rash decisions? 

I respect them more for their realizing that they may have made a mistake then I would have if they didn't admit it and just kept repeating the mistake. 

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Danthrax66

Technically this is the right thing, if they went through with an actual lawsuit those pirates could pay thousands instead they are just asking for the price of the game and they will call it off. That sounds resonable to me. And if you didn't do it then provide proof and you are good.

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CaptainFabulous

Last I checked they had to prove me guilty, not the other way around.

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The Corrupted One

Ahh piss, I wanted for some pirates to get their comeuppance.

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TsunamiZ

The main problem I have with Witcher 2 is the unforgivable amount of input lag for mouse and keyboard.  This was a widely reported problem and they still have not fixed it as of version 2.0.  This problem can be partly improved by disabling vsync--but then the screen tearing that result is even worse!  The controls and programing side was definitely the worst part of the game.  The game is not worth all the rave reviews because of this unresolved problem.

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austin43

I just played it with a controller but yeah for a PC exclusive (until console versions come out) this is pretty unacceptable.

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