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Holly Golightly

Greed, greed, greed everywhere. Taxing the people from the little money they make. By adding a sales tax, you not only make consumers and businesses angry, but you actually hurt the economy even more and really make the poor suffer as they can not buy the things they want. When you include a tax, you should think how you are hurting your poor who have to pay those taxes and how they are less likely to help contribute to the fractured economy as well. Long story short... Sales taxes are actually counter-productive.

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KenLV

“Greed, greed, greed everywhere. Taxing the people from the little money they make.”

Interesting comment regarding the GOVERNMENT taking from everyone – and this from the devout communist who is head over heels in love with China (a country that does NONE of that, right?).  LOL

But then, on the other hand, you believe that EVERYTHING should be TAKEN from the job creators and builders.  Do you want a level playing field OR level outcome?  You can NEVER have BOTH; and have rarely had either, so make up your mind and join us in the real world… for once.

Oh and…

“…you not only make consumers and businesses angry…”

Since when do you give a shit about how things effect businesses?  Remember, it’s the GOVERNMENT that is going to save everyone and is “for the people”.  LAWL

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Holly Golightly

Your name should be Troll-LeaVe. My goodness I have never been stalked by a cyberstalker troll. READ HISTORY BOOKS and lots of them. You have not the slightest clue what communism stands for. You think communist never had factories or jobs. We all just live in the woods. Riiiiight! L.O.L.

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KenLV

“I have never been stalked by a cyberstalker troll”

You continue saying that, but then you keep show up on threads AFTER me.  Hmmmm…

Besides, if you actually read and responded to my post instead of the fantasies up in your head, you’d see that I was commenting on YOUR continued, contradictory, and fantastical misunderstandings/statements regarding the differences between capitalist and communist economies and your utter ignorance of how the world works - once you leave college and get off your parent’s teats.  Sigh…

Let me make it simple: If a communist government DOESN’T take from EVERYONE, it does not exist.  There is NO EXCEPTION to this.  Period.  So, it’s hysterical that on the one hand rant about the evils of government taxation while on the other hand rave about the “utopian” communist regimes.

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Holly Golightly

 

You are the one who keeps replying to my response. I never asked you to reply to my post. Noticed how each and every one of my post as you replying. We all know you like Adoph Hitler. Leave me the hell alone. You do not know shiz because you never went to college. I don't blame your hatred against socialism. You simply just don't know any better.

 

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KenLV

“We all know you like Adoph Hitler.”

So now you’ve moved on from calling people regular old bigots and racists graduated to full on Nazis?  Ouch, that stings.  But, as I said to you before – the last time you accused me of not being educated - at least get it right, it should be “Dr. Nazi” since I have a doctorate - I did not go to Evil Doctor School for nothing (and it wasn’t a CUNY school either).  Once again, you are caught out talking about things you have NO knowledge about.  LAWL

You keep telling us that WE don’t know anything, but then fail to demonstrate even the slightest instance of our ignorance.  The ONLY person’s ignorance you keep shining a light on is your own.

As to no longer replying to your spew, I’ve literally BEGGED you to stop this as I actually feel bad beating up on you.  I’m having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.  So, I’ll make you a deal.  You stop posting your pro-communist bullshit about a fantasy land that doesn’t exist - without the ability to back up ANYTHING you post - and also stop showing off your ignorance of the world, and I’ll stop schooling you about how the real world works.  Fair enough?

Or, you can just call me some more hateful vile names (how pedestrian of you) and further look like an idiot.  It’s up to you.  Me?  I’m good either way.

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Holly Golightly

Okay Doctor Evil, I bet your only professor was Austin Powers and your Dean was Number 2. Ha! You are not impressing anybody your old wannabe "Spy Who Shagged Me" degree. LOLz!!! 

Look, I do not need to answer to the likes of you. I will keep posting my comments about the wonders of communism, while you keep worshipping your ancient Gods and primative kings, while I support the progressive parties of the world. You just hate the fact that your president is a minority and is stone cold Socialist. Don't be mad that your vote lost. We have somebody who is part of an under-represented group. It is no wonder why he is for ALL people. Not just big oil companies and unemployed Doctor Evils who have nothing to do but cyberstalk on MaximumPC during normal business hours. People want the change that is for equality, for all people. Rich or poor. Worker or farmer... Unite! It is no wonder why your hardcore right winger party lost miserably! People want change... Progressive change. For the better. No more hunger, no more poverty, no more unemployement, education free for all regardless of the color of your skin, and most of all, equality for all. Nobody is better than anybody. Whether you went to school in the Death Star or some alternate dimension. You just hate the idea of people reaching to your evil status. Don't worry, Bush and Palin are still alive. 

P.S., Gold Member and your Mini Me should sue you for Evil Malpractice. LOLz! 

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KenLV

THIS is why I think you should avail yourself of the Fifth amendment.  Please, it’s there for YOUR protection.  Use is.  It’s clear that you don’t even need me to make you look dog ignorant (though I’m perfectly willing to help) you seem fairly capable of doing it all on your own.  No one here even knows me, so, “impress” you?  No dear, I’m just showing you, once again, that (since you once again brought it up) EDUCATED people disagree with you.  And that your assumptions and jibes about the educational level of your detractors is as erroneous as the rest of your fantasies.  I mean I get it of course: you can’t attack the argument, so you have no choice but to attack the person.  I understand that.  It’s the most common tactic amongst “progressives”.  But even though you are doing a wonderful job on your own, I’m going to take every opportunity you afford me to make you look the fool.  Besides, if you aren’t concerned with the level of education of everyone who contradicts you, why do you keep bringing it up?

As to what I do during the day (when I’m not schooling fools like you)…and I’m only doing this to illustrate a point: without mean ol’ capitalists like me – making money and creating jobs, silly parasitic “progressives” like you have no one to leech off of.  So, what do I do “during normal business hours”?

$2.6 Million and 371 people.

Again, I know no one here so that’s not meant to brag or impress.  It’s a simple fact.  So while you and yours sit there and attempt to crucify the hard working people of the world and try (futilely) to extol the supposed virtues of communism and socialism, that’s how much NEW revenue I’ve brought into my company and how many people are working because of what I’ve done in the last 3 years.  $209,000 in new revenue and 17 more people working in the two months that I’ve been trouncing your sorry ass “during normal business hours”.  But hey, SOMEONE has to work to pay for all these great “progressive plans” that are “for the people” – it sure as shit isn’t going to be YOU and your ilk.  So, while I’ve been doing all that, and thrashing you during my down time - since you joined the site 2 months ago and started spouting off about the “wonders of communism” and your anti-capitalism rants and ravings, what else has your “progressive” ass managed to actually do???? Anything at all??? ... Yeah... that’s kinda what I thought.  LAWL

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Holly Golightly

You are too funny! You do 371 people during business hours? Eww, that makes you some sort of major pervert. Some TheRapist you are. Ha ha ha!!!!! Look, many of your friends are sad Bush is no longer in office, and how Sarah Palin lost miserably... But don't go taking it out on MaximumPC. We are here to discuss about technology, not about how great Nixon and Reagan are. You are the only "doctor" who needs some serious medication. There are more educated people who are progressive, not backwards like you. Your people want change, and their vote speaks louder than your voice. Yet, you continue to insult your own president, and your own federal services. How patriotic of you. And I though all hardcore republicans were patriot... Apparently you are not. What a shame that time and time again, you break your own rules. Instead of being greedy, you should do good for your fellow man. You should support more progressive ideas to help boost the economy by supporting FREE medical care, FREE education, and FREE services! Perhaps if you had supported these ideas, then everyone would be the rich white male you only dream to be. But in your fantasy world of capitalism, 99% of the American people would be scrubbing your toilets, and eating food off your trash, and living off your streets that they paid for. Yeah, you want it all made out for you. You want to be that top 2%. It is okay to dream, but you seriously need a reality check. The economy is getting worse, the conservative racist republican war is drying up what little money we have left, and pricing are increasing as unployement lines continue to grow. Yet you seem to like everything the way it is. Change is good, and often, it is for the better. While you are trying to revert back to the good old times of the Great Depression, normal educated people are seeking for ways to better our lives. And guess what, the change is working wonders all over the world. In Europe, people have a better quality of life because they get larger vacations, higher pay, and their jobs are not outsourced. Even better, mergers hardly, if ever, happen at all in the EU. This is great news. Socialism, for ALL people. It is one step. The next step is self explanitory, and then comes the utopian society. In capitalism, only the top 2% truly survive. All these buyouts, these hostle take overs, and mergers, screw away hard working people out of their own jobs. Guess what, if they can't find jobs, they wil just eat away YOUR monopoly money. If you do not mind this, then fine. However, I support equality for all people. No more outsourcing, no more destroying out land, no more exploiting our environment, no more death penalties, just equality for each and every single living being. Where everyone gets the same amount of equal protection. Where shooting endangered animals from helicopters are outlawed, where all fur stays on the animals, where everyone gets a Harvard-Level education, where everyone lives in a home with food in their stomach. All of this, goes against capitalism. What, did they forget to teach you how to think in grade school? Just shut up and pay your taxes.

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KenLV

FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE FREE!  Sounds great.  Ummm…. One tinsie little question: Who pays for all that “FREE” stuff?

You did get ONE thing right though, we did lost the last Presidential election, we ALL lost.  So THAT is what you mean when you say “progressives” are for “all people”! LAWL

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Holly Golightly

The hell are you even talking about? Obama's rating are through the roof. He is going up for reelection 2012... So what the hell are you talking about. He was the majority vote, if anything the people won, and socialism was key. Get with the program... Not everybody likes Sarah Palin.

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KenLV

So no idea of how to pay for all that “FREE” stuff, huh?  Don’t feel too bad, you’re not the only “progressive” (man, that always gives me a laugh “progressive” LAWL) anyway, you’re not the only “progressive” who’s stymied by that.  It’s nice to see that you are still refusing to qualify your statements with some facts though.  “Predictability” is a quality some people like in a person.  Seriously, it’s really OK, since it’s all we ever expect of the ignorant.

“Obama's rating are through the roof.”

Let’s try it this way…Since you are so fond of asking people to cite sources, but then ignore them when they do (so sad), I’d like you to cite your source for that absurd claim.  Now keep in mind that I already know the real numbers and the only Obama number “through the roof” is the unemployment numbers: 9.2% nationally (or didn’t you see the new jobs report?).  So when you post bullshit (as if you would/could post anything else) expect it to be challenged.

And why do you keep trying to bring Palin up?  Why are YOU so hung up on Palin?  NO ONE else is even talking about her.

But I have to wonder, since, according to you, and every other person who can’t argue their way out of a wet paper bag: ANYONE who so much as disagrees with Obama’s policies is a racist, does that also mean that since you hate Palin, you are a misogynist?

It would certainly explain a lot.  Self hatred is a horrible thing.  Very sad for you.

Now, call me a racist and move on to your next rant…

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Holly Golightly

The correct term for "conservative" is actually backwards. Because your rants classless. You want to revert back to the old times where only the white man can succeed and no one else can. This makes you a complete racist. What a shame, really. Obama tries so hard to improve the country with net neutrality, and even have the government provide broadband for ALL of America. Yeah, including the woods, where you live. Sigh... As for me being a misogynist... Nice try but try again. I love Hilary Clinton, and think she is a perfect roll model for every female to follow. It is too bad that people like Sarah Palin, Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan give women in general a negative image. All rich, dumb and ignorant... Sort of like you. It is progressive to see women in office, but I do not want just any old dumb hick running the office either. You need a reality check. The world is not as black or white as you like to think it is. As far as free stuff, it can be given away for free. Like broadband, oil, and food. It has been done. Just continue to support your troops in wiping away the colored man. We all know you obviously like Nazi Germany... Because you hate communism so much. Yeah, the same communist government that won WWII. Read a book, it will do you a hell of a lot of good.

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KenLV

“As far as free stuff, it can be given away for free. Like broadband, oil, and food. It has been done.”

You keep saying that, but you fail to say WHO WILL PAY FOR IT?

As to the rest, thank you for once again proving my point.

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Holly Golightly

Nobody pays for it. In a Utopian society everything is ALL free, you moron! Thank you for proving your own stupidity.

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KenLV

If everything is free…  Who produces anything?  How does the water get to your house?  Is everyone going to dig a well?  Who provides electricity?  Everyone builds their own windmill?  Who picks up your garbage?  There is only so much you can compost you know.  Who educates you?  Whoops, never mind, that’s clearly not a priority for you.  Who creates anything?  Who gathers your food to bring to the grocer?  Who works in the grocer?  And why the hell would they?  Please, those of us living in the real world would love to know how this is supposed to work – as you lecture us on how the world works.

You see, if everything is “free” they don’t have to work!  And as we’ve seen from the entitlement society and mentality that “progressives” created, if people don’t have to work, they won’t – and they will propagate that generationally!  Well done Madame, well done indeed!

Hey, if we’re going to talk fantasies, can there be unicorns in this fictitious utopia as well?  Wouldn’t it be nice to live in a world with unicorns?  And just slightly more of a chance of that happening than your “utopia”.  LAWL

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Holly Golightly

I will tell you the one answer to all your questions... Slaves like you. Yes, you work for us commies, and while added, if you refuse to do anything, we would execute. Now that, my "friend" is a utopian society. 

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KenLV

“…if you refuse to do anything, we would execute. Now that, my "friend" is a utopian society.”

I need to clarify this statement of yours; in order to bring the US in line with YOUR “utopian society” guidelines, you are advocating the mass execution of generational welfare recipients and the rest of the entitlement society that WON’T WORK – even here in the US?  Wow.  Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for the elimination of this type of “gimmie gimmie gimmie” entitlement behavior that “progressives” such are yourself created, but wholesale execution and murder?  I don’t know about that, it seems a bit harsh.  Can we just try some more welfare reform first?  It’s worked very well in the past and “culling”, while certainly a permanent “fix”, looks to be just a little too “un-PC”, even for me.

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Holly Golightly

By greedy, I do not mean the misfortunate... I mean the elitest a-holes that rob from the poor, and give it to their swiss accounts. People like you!!! You would never survive in a real uptopian society. Greedy only takes you to one place. While you watch people suffer in hunger, as you eat your $5,000 steak, you will be rewarded as so. God does not like ugly. And karma is a real thing. Greedy people will get theirs. Social programs are here to help the less fortunate. Why not give them a chance? You know they can not pay for their own education... What, you like seeing people live out in the woods or something? Geez, get a grip! Even Nixon had more common sense than you.

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KenLV

OK, let’s see if I’ve got it: In your “utopian” vision, if someone doesn’t work because they are lazy, that’s OK with you – we’ll just classify them as “misfortunate”.  However, if they don’t work because you have determined them to be “greedy” you say kill them?  Very well, it’s your fantasy, and I’m more than willing to give you all the rope you need…but sure enough, here’s where you lose the plot again.  I certainly understand why a lazy shit would not work when everything is “free” (oh yeah, remind me again, where does all that free stuff come from?) anyway… exactly why a supposed “greedy” person would NOT need to work, I don’t know.  But hey, no one knows what you are saying any other time so why would this be any different?

As to the rest of your diatribe, let’s just stick with what YOU HAVE said instead of your made up crap that I NEVER said.

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Holly Golightly

Oh my goodness... SPEAK ENGLISH!!! At this point, your anger has gotten the best of you and now you are just throwing anything that pigeon brain of yours feels like saying. 

GREED IS WRONG!!! We all know you wish you were a king of Europe... But that is not going to happen. In monarchy society and in capitalism, most of the people are dirt poor. In a utopian society, these numbers are reversed. Everyone is equal. There is no discrimination based on heritage, finance, education or bloodline. We are not just talking about greedy people who steal pencils, paper, and candy, we are talking people who do far more damage like drill oil away from the people's land, hunt away endangered animals because they feel like dressing like a primative caveman for a day, and of course, people who cheat taxes and feed their Swiss Accounts. The modern kings of America.

You should read "The United States of Europe" and you will agree this is power literature. We need to be honest with our people. Speak the truth. Americans... Well everyone really has suffered long enough. The doom and gloom of your economy speaks for itself. And you wonder why China is a rising power? Your greed and their generosity is what made them a rising power. With that money, you should buy yourself a Rosetta Stone program, because in the future... If you want to keep counting Benjamins, you WILL be speaking Chinese! What a shame to see a communist society overcome a capitalist one... Eh?

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KenLV

Wow, you really are mad that someone is actually taking you to task for the made up shit you post.  I guess you aren’t used to someone challenging your crap.  However, while my English is perfectly fine, it’s become brutally clear that English is not your first language.  I’m sorry, I kinda feel bad now.  When you said you were learning Russian, I assumed that you had already finished learning English.  This misunderstanding on my part explains a lot.  It’s no wonder you keep thinking I’m saying things I’m not.  You just don’t understand the written word.  And here I thought you were nuts, when it turns out you just haven’t mastered English yet.  I would love to continue this with you further, but I can’t do so if I’m having to use one syllable words so you don’t get confused.

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Holly Golightly

Ha, don't discriminate on me like you do on poor hard working Mexicans, you minute man! You're old, I am young... I can keep arguing till the day I die. Long after your old fogy arse croaks. Just because someone is more internationally aware, does not make them a foreigner, but judging by your education standards, America is the world. That's right, keep pretending China, India, Brazil and Russia don't exist. USA is a hegemon for life. Nothing could ever bring down U.S.A., right? Not even the economy. Oh gosh no... You do not read the news. So you could not see this for yourself. Nobody in the world of cyberspace has ever witnessed someone as backwards as you. That's right. You keep living your pre-Great Depression days, I will stick to the modern times. Mmmkay? Hill Billies these days... The bottom of the education standard, and apparently moral standard too. I almost feel sorry for you. I never knew anyone as pathetic as you. You have my pitty.

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KenLV

Sigh, back for more are you?

“…don't discriminate on me…”

Silly girl.  It’s not “discrimination” - your ignorance does not make you a protected class.  I think you meant to ask me to “stop decimating you”.  Sorry, but you’ve got no one to blame for this thrashing but yourself and you can stop it at any time – just STFU and get back to class.

“Just because someone is more internationally aware…”

As you’ve repeatedly, and so perfectly, demonstrated…my 3 year old niece “is more internationally aware” than you.  But yes, being “more internationally aware” than you - and having actually lived and worked in these countries - makes me eminently more qualified to discuss them than you.  Like I said, stick to stuff you know.  Whoops, that doesn’t leave much, now does it?

No one is denying the existence of those countries.  But you have yet to show how ANY communist ECONOMIC SYSTEM is superior to a capitalistic one.  Each of the above owes ANY of their current economic growth and success to being or switching to capitalism – including your beloved China.  And even now as they FINALLY start to pull themselves out of the pit, they are so utterly screwed from decades and decades of “for the people” socialist/communist economies, that “the people” are STILL living in horrendous conditions that would literally make YOU cry for mommy and daddy.  But hey, tell us again about your fantasy of zero unemployment and zero homelessness there and then go stick your head back in the sand and say that it is me that is denying the truth about their economies.

“USA is a hegemon for life.”

You bet your ass!  You are 100% correct, the US does lead the way.

“Nothing could ever bring down U.S.A., right? Not even the economy.”

Actually, THAT is once again the exact OPPOSITE of what I’ve argued.  I realize that the use of multi-syllable words confuses you to no end, but please, try to follow along with at least the basic concepts here.  It is the 50+ years of failed policies of “progressives” that have us teetering on the edge.  If we continue on as you and “progressives” would like: adding entitlement after entitlement after entitlement (just like the EU, and all these other countries you keep holding up as shining examples, which is bankrupting nation after nation) yes, our federal government WILL collapse in upon itself.  Our darling socialist president’s treasury secretary’s OWN PREDICTIONS (GAO report) are that by 2019 entitlements, and the interest on all these loans that keep those programs going, will eat up 92 cents of every dollar of federal revenue!  I don’t want you to struggle with the math, so I’ll tell you: that’s just 8 years from now!  But fools like you believe that a) this is sustainable b) it’s not really an emergency and c) it’s STILL NOT ENOUGH– gimmie gimmie gimmie MORE MORE MORE - FREE STUFF for EVERYONE!  You understand, that don’t you?  No, of course you don’t.  Which is weird since according to you, YOU are supposedly the well read one here and I’m just some dumb hick that can’t read such a complicated report - let alone understand it.

The “progressive” solution? Come on tell us…  OK, I understand, you don’t want to brag.  That’s OK, I’ll do it for you: DON’T stop the bleeding, INSTEAD just pump MORE blood into the patient.  Uh oh!  We’re out of blood!  Now what?  Flat-line_________

“The operation was a success, but the patient died.  Next…”
“Socialism (communism) works, it just hasn’t been done right.”

One of the most entertaining bits to all this is that you continue on with the standard “progressive” thuggary methodology.  While I continue to dissect and destroy your own statements and arguments based on their merits (or lack thereof) you consistently resort to making up stuff and claim it to be said/argued by me and sadly, you can only find solace in personal attacks.  Exactly who do you think you are fooling with that?  Do you really think that I will suddenly forget my arguments and believe you when you say that I said these things?  Hmmmmm… which of us is from the “bottom of the education standard” and “without morals”?  Very sad for you that you are so incompetent that you can’t even defend yourself on the internet.  You are so screwed once you get out of school and have to actually support yourself.  I guess that’s why you are so concerned about keeping these entitlement programs in place – you will so desperately need them in the very near future.  You should save your pity for your parents who clearly wasted a shitload of money on your “education”.  Or better yet, save it for yourself; you can’t stay in school forever, eventually you have to take those all consuming lips off your parents teats and go out there and try to make it on your own.  And when you do, will be needing all the pity you can get.  LAWL

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Holly Golightly

Wow, you sure let your own imagination go. Dreaming of flatlining yourself? Dont worry, you wil be in a mortuary and your beloved 3 year old wont care to claim your body. You are unwanted and unloved. But don't blame the progressives, you are just too stupid to care for.

You think you can see into the future? Yeah, I bet the Roman Empire thought the same exact thing. That they will be the top hegemon for life... Well, look what happened. The rich got greedy and the poor got hungry. What do you think was going to happen. It is the same way the Tsar has collapsed. You do not understand that history has a tendancy of repeating itself. But did you know that? Know, you were too busy hoping that Hitler defeated the brilliant commies. Oh gosh, lord forbid a communist nation wins a triumphant battle. The greatest war in history books. You should try to read one, it will do you wonders. Maybe then you will stop dreaming about unicorns and flat lining yourself. 

If there is one thing the Bible says, is thou shall not kill. Although in this case, it is fine to kill yourself. Go ahead, pull your own plug you retard. The world can do a lot more without the likes of you. Primative boy.

Again, it is backwards people like you that really get in the way of real progress. Free universal healthcare for all. Where even the illegals you abuse have the right to an education. Don't hate that your point has already failed. Just look at the news. Open your eyes and watch the news. Your president is socialist, and you have socialist programs that improves the quality of life for your fellow Americans. You already lost. You think they are going to suddenly start cutting off every single program off? The day that happens is when a revolution will occur. Then capitalism would be flatlined for sure. But you would not know about that, because you think people are okay with hunger and poverty.

I speak 3 languages, you speak redneck. I know more about the world than you can ever imagine. You just keep fantasizing that China is not growing and America is not shrinking. You are in for a harsh tomorrow. I will laugh at you from the comfort of my home being cooled down by my Chinese Air Conditioner. We all just know how red neck you are by your stereotypical responses. We all know you hate brown people, and that is why you support the war. You should vote Obama 2012. He is a real winner. Perhaps you can vote for a winner for once too... You loser! 

I am going to end every topic with this statement for you. "Be proud your president is black and socialist. Just shut up and pay your taxes... and no one will get hurt."

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KenLV

OK, I guess I can start every response to you with:

If we all “just shut up” EVERYONE will assuredly be hurt as you and other “progressive” lemmings try to bring the country down to an “equal level” of mediocrity.
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“Wow, you sure let your own imagination go.”

When dealing with someone like yourself, who resides in fantasy land, I find that having a good imagination is about the ONLY way to even partially follow your ramblings.

“I speak 3 languages”

Sadly, none of them seems to be English.

“I know more about the world than you can ever imagine.”

You’ve got that backwards: you IMAGINE that you know ANYTHING about the world.

It’s clear that you THINK you know about the world, but as YOU keep showing, it’s clear that you haven’t got a clue and should leave these things to people who have actually lived outside of their parents’ homes, school dorms, and well, hell how about the country?  It’s the epitome of arrogance (or is it just your ignorance showing…again?) that you think because you’ve read something on some blog or heard it from a friend, that you know more about these countries than people like myself who have actually lived and worked there.  If it weren’t such an indictment of our education system (thank you DoE!) it would be laughable.  But it’s not laughable, it’s just plain sad.

“We all just know…”, “We all know you…”“…we all know you are…”

Actually, time and again, you have shown that you haven’t got the faintest clue who I am, how I was brought up, or what I actually stand for.  But that’s no surprise since you’re happy in your blissful ignorance.

“Dreaming of flatlining yourself?”

Sigh…No, it was pretty clear (to the English speaking) that I’m afraid of lemmings like you flat-lining our country – and taking us with you - if we allow you to continue.

“Perhaps you can vote for a winner for once too... You loser!”

As far as who “losing”, well now, I know it’s hard for you to make the journey back to reality, but join us so we can look at the facts… the largest gain for one party in over 60 years, the biggest midterm setback for a president since FDR (hmmm…ANOTHER socialist), the shortest majority in The House (just 4 years) for 60 years, etc… are all about as BIG a “WIN” as you can get.  LAWL  And the ONLY reason we are finally having the beginnings of a discussion on balancing the budget (what 75% of US wants (since you are mathematically challenged, let me remind you that that’d be the MAJORITY)) is BECAUSE of these WINS.  But I guess like everything else, you measure winning and losing differently that  the entire rest of the world.  Sounds like “all the people” are saying LOUD AND CLEAR what they want and it is NOT you.

Does it EVER get old being COMPLETELY wrong?  Again, I have to ask, is it masochism that you surfer from?

“You do not understand that…”, “…you would not know about that…”,“…you would not know anything about that…”

Hmmm… you keep saying that, but as with most of your “points” (if that even could be considered a “point”) saying something doesn’t make it so.  It’s also pretty funny that time and again (like just now) it turns out that I know more about not only the things I’VE brought up, but also the things YOU try to bring up.  That’s OK though.  You just go on believing what you want to.  Holly’s head meet sand, sand meet Holly’s head.

“You just keep fantasizing that China is not growing and America is not shrinking.”

Wow, for literally the THIRD time in as many posts, that is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I’ve said: China IS growing – thanks to CAPITALISM.  And while the US economy does continue to grow, it has been reduced to a crawl thanks to continued government interference, and it is “…50+ years of failed policies of “progressives” that have us teetering on the edge.  If we continue on as you and “progressives” would like: adding entitlement after entitlement after entitlement (just like the EU, and all these other countries you keep holding up as shining examples, which is bankrupting nation after nation) yes, our federal government WILL collapse in upon itself.  Our darling socialist president’s treasury secretary’s OWN PREDICTIONS (GAO report) are that by 2019 entitlements, and the interest on all these loans that keep those programs going, will eat up 92 cents of every dollar of federal revenue!  I don’t want you to struggle with the math, so I’ll tell you: that’s just 8 years from now!  But fools like you believe that a) this is sustainable b) it’s not really an emergency and c) it’s STILL NOT ENOUGH – gimmie gimmie gimmie MORE MORE MORE - FREE STUFF for EVERYONE!”

How is that me “fantasizing” that China is NOT growing or the US is NOT in trouble?  Is it that you don’t actually understand the words?  Are they too big?  Gee, I was joking before about keeping things to 1 syllable for you, but is that REALLY what someone has to do to bring your comprehension level up to that of a third grader?  Have I confused you with the facts?  Or is it that you not believe your own president’s treasury secretary’s report?  Hey, if that’s the case, I’m right there with you; I wouldn’t trust either of them to manage and report on their family’s household finances - let alone the country’s!  But you aren’t being clear as to why YOU don’t believe them.  So please, elaborate…why don’t YOU believe your president?  Is this why you keep bringing up that he is black and socialist?  Does that have something to do with you not believing him?  I hope it’s because of his socialist policies and not because he’s black.  Contrary to your false flag claims otherwise, I simply can’t abide a racist.  So, if you are going to dislike our president, do as I do and stick to his policies and leave the color of his skin out of it.

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Holly Golightly

Your statement is too long. Did not read, dumb it down to your political level so people want to read.

 

"Be proud your president is black and socialist. Just shut up and pay your taxes... and no one will get hurt."

 

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KenLV

If we all “just shut up”, EVERYONE will assuredly be hurt as you and other “progressive” lemmings try to bring the country down to an “equal level” of mediocrity.

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“Your statement is too long. Did not read, dumb it down to your political level so people want to read.”

I keep telling you, in consideration of your “progressive” goal to bring EVERYTHING DOWN (so long as it’s “level”) I’ve tried to dumb it down for you as much as I can.  The world is far too complicated for me to only use one syllable words.  If you want to understand how the world works, you’ll just have to learn to read beyond a third grade level.

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KenLV

So in other words, modern day China and North Korea - where EVERYONE is a slave to the state and dissidents are routinely executed?  And THIS is what you think is good “for all people”?  Gee, sounds fun.  And tell us again why it is that you have NOT already moved there?

“I will tell you the one answer to all your questions…”

Actually the ONLY question you answered is why, in YOUR supposed perfect utopia, anyone would work (since everything is “free”) and your answer is “because they are all slaves and are afraid of being murdered by their masters”?  That’s our education system at work for you folks, she honestly believe this shit.  LAWL

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Holly Golightly

Nope, in a perfect society, the people execute the greedy. Red destroys blue. How is that for a clue? Ha! This is what happens when schools teach trolls how to act, they think they are the magic scientist with all the answers. "Yeah, lets not do anything while to economy continues to collapse due to greed!" Real genius at work here fellas.

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KenLV

“…the people execute the greedy…”

But, as usual, that’s simply not true – but it’s not like you care about being factually correct or anything.  Your first problem is that you equate success to greed.  Everyone who is financially successful is, in your poor naive eyes, “greedy”.  You always seem to forget that it is the successful that create and employ.  Still, sticking with your deluded premise of “all the wealthy are greedy, and ‘the people’ will execute them for their greed”, “You’ve got some splainin’ to do Lucy.”: your beloved China for example has the second higher number of billionaires in the world.  Second only to the US.  They are number 3 in millionaires – behind the US and Japan.  What???  “the people” number nearly a billion and no one has KILLED THEM yet???  Unacceptable!!!

Now before you get all excited and think I’m making a case FOR communism, I’m not.  YOU would try to argue “See, communism works, look how many rich there are.” But you’d be wrong – as always.  You see, as a percentage of the population, the Chinese “rich” are but a speck.  On the other hand, the percentage of poor is huge, and let’s be clear, I don’t mean “poor” like here in the US poor, I’m talking about the “poor” based on THEIR poverty level.  Let’s take moment to educate you on this since you are surely as clueless about this as you are of everything else: the “poverty line” varies dramatically from country to country; “richer” countries have a higher threshold of what constitutes “poor”.  Someone living at the US poverty level (about $23,000/year) is “wealthy” in many of the truly poor countries, like China.

Here’s the economic difference between communism and capitalism for those who WORK at it: capitalism spreads the wealth around, communism spreads the poverty around.

Again, I offer you the opportunity to show me a SINGLE INSTANCE of a successful communist economy.  As has been pointed out to you time and again, sure, you can point to failures in capitalism, no one argues that it’s “perfect” but you can’t point to ANY successes of communism.  Period.

And here’s something that’s really got to piss you off: the ONLY reason China’s been able to make ANY headway in bringing their people OUT of poverty?  That’s right, by moving to a capitalistic economic model.  Damn, that’s got to smart.

“Real genius at work here fellas.”

FINALLY, she gets something 100% right!

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Holly Golightly

Wow, you are as blind as you are stupid!

Hello, do names like Richard Fold and Bernie Madoff ring a bell? These are cold hearted, wealthy capitalist who rob your economy blind. People who rob the greedy like you! You want me to name a successful communist nation other than China. How about the Soviet Union back in WWII...  I sure don't see you crying about how a communist nation saved your ass from being placed in an oven. Yeah... Oven! You think USA won WWII? You think USA won Vietnam??? Which is also another communist nation. You fail to reconnize that the people naturally side more with communism. Thus why we have wonderful countries liek Cuba rebelling on you. As they have the most highest literacy level in the world. By the way, they are also famous for having the best damn doctors of the world. Many of which were Soviet Educated. Yes, a communist quality of eduaction FOR ALL. Yes, even for the greedy people like you. Communism takes money from the rich, and give to the poor. While in a greedy capitalist world, everyone has swiss accounts, and rob their own government. Only the top 2 survive... Which is something you are not... Fake Bill Gates!

Yeah, education for profit, every private highway has a toll, affordable housing knocked down for giant stadiums with luxury skyboxes, and best of all, medical that must be paid up front. Because the rich want nice swiss accounts so they can show off their numbers online at every forum. Yeah, that is very counter-productive... A term you should be used to since you do it all the time at work. Yeah, yeah, nobody cares what you have to say. You want to see the less than rich, that means people who bring home less than $90k a year not have an education, so they become stupid, and have to work at even lower end jobs because they can't read. Every road has a private company collecting fees, so no normal person is free to travel, and since in your vision, there is no affordable housing, people will just be homeless, hearing the game outside the stadium, as the minorities entertain the white man at whatever sport they are forced to do since junior high. The best part is when your vision states that people will have to pay for ALL medical expenses... Afteral, it is coming out of someone's pocket, right? So why not let the poor pay for every medical expense on their own. Yeah, they can clearly afford cancer treatment. See what happens when you put money before people? You get stupid idiots like KEN (who refuses to) LeaVe saying all this junk about reverting our economy back to the good old times of the great depression. People like him are counter-productive. They think the streets are paved with gold and everybody is as rich as the Monopoly Man. This guy actually quotes how poor China is without looking at his own nation. China, by America's standards are poor, but by their standards, because rent is so cheap, they actually are middle class. But does he listen to his opposition? No... He is closed minded... Just like how people were closed minded about the queer back in the 50s. The same close minded people who drive gas guzzlers, skimp on their taxes, and dream to relive the Ponzi scheme. It is sad the world has people like KenLV.

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KenLV

“Hello, do names like Richard Fold and Bernie Madoff ring a bell?”

Do you mean Fuld?  Yes, there are criminals in ALL societies but I don’t see what that has to do with your failed premise that the rich are executed “by the people” in a “utopia” like China.

“You want me to name a successful communist nation other than China.”

First, you feel that a nation as oppressive as China with such widespread poverty is a success?  OK folks that tells us about all we need to know.  But actually, as I stated, China is NOT a successful communist economy.  It is however now becoming a successful CAPITALISTIC economy.

“How about the Soviet Union back in WWII...”

Really?  Are you honestly that clueless?  Their economy was in the shitter.  And I suggest you read up on Stalingrad and the wholesale slaughter of their own soldiers who were sent into battle unarmed and then shot by their own officers when they refused or retreated.  Yes, communism “won the day”.  Do we even need to get to the mass execution of millions of dissidents in the years leading up to the war and the decades to follow?

“…saved your ass from being placed in an oven.”

Wow, anti-Semitic much?

“…means people who bring home less than $90k a year not have an education, so they become stupid…”

Wow, how insulting to so many people and all at once.  Not very PC of you to say that not having a formal education makes you “stupid” or that only those WITH an education can become successful.  Bigot.

“China, by America's standards are poor, but by their standards, because rent is so cheap, they actually are middle class.”

Well, when you are working 7 days a week in a state owned factory earning only 80 cents an hour, you better find cheap rent or you are out on the street.  Oh wait, that’s exactly what life is like for 200 million Chinese and an additional 300 million who aren’t quite homeless but are living is such squalor for you to call it “middle class” is so unbelievably offensive and just shows how truly ignorant you are of the world.  By ANYONE’S standards these people are poor.  Granted, since adopting a capitalistic economy, they have moved from 85% below THEIR poverty line to 15% - go capitalism!  But as better off as they are, they still have an incredibly low standard of living (for example, less than 7% of the population even has a computer) and worse, they are still “slaves” to the state so I don’t know how you can call that a “standard of *living*” anyhow.

And again with respect to the rest of your made up shit… let’s just stick with what you (and I) have actually said instead of your made up crap that I NEVER said.  I am willing to stand by and back up any statement I actually make – not this nonsense you falsely attribute to me.  Sadly, you are clearly unable to do the same.

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Holly Golightly

Wow, you sure are annoying. You are made because you are --- a system that is already DEAD!!! 

Don't be mad that your country has been socialist since the 90s. You should be glad that many poor Americans who can not afford a Harvard-grade level of education have great things like Food Stamps, affordable housing, Welfare, FREE education, and so much more. If it was not for socialism... YOUR people would be living like those in China. The country you judge ever so negatively. Racist a little aren't you? There are more socialist governments rising over capitalism. Look at your nation's clostest allies Canada with free UNIVERSAL medical health coverage, UK, another well known socialist country... Close enough to be considered communist as is. And let us not forget France... Actually, the entire damn EU is pretty much socialist. Socialism is a great thing. Communism is naturally better, but socialism is a great step. Now, you just keep pretending that China is Capitalist... Heck, why wont you just ignore China all together. Pretend they are stuck in the Ming Dynasty. That is right, socialism and communism never happened. Just like the Soviet Union was not the first country to send the man to space... That is right, a communist nation won WWII, and race to outer space. You seem so gosh darn ignorant, I do not know where to begin with... Are you even sure you had an education. I am starting to think your family educated you on how to make Moonshine and that was that. Nothing further. How sad. You are so backwards that you refuse to support change, even the change your own country wants to bring. You don't seem very patriotic at all. Love your socialist programs with your socialist president. You are part of that same group of people who feared abortion back in the 20s, feared the queer back in the 50s, denied UFOs back in the 60s, feared communism during the cold war, and yes, feared your own nation going progressive... Well guess what? You are fighting a losing battle. Just give it up already, and follow your progressive nation like a patriotic little fellow... Because at this point, resistance is futile. 

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KenLV

….and there she goes folks, completely off the rails.  But let’s be honest, it was really only a matter of time and I don’t think anyone is surprised. LAWL

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Holly Golightly

You know what I am starting to think. That you are a homeless man. That's right. A homeless man who never had an education, and just wishes to live the pre-homeless days. Hopefully someone as backwards as you may comprehend that "God don't like ugly." Oh, that's right, you have no morals either. Which must explain why you do not care about poor people like yourself. Making yourself look like the world's dumbest troll on the internet. 

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KenLV

Is that really the only defense of your arguments that you could muster?  To call me homeless?  How very sad for you.  But before you said that I was a greedy, selfish, heartless, filthy rich, capitalist pig?  So which is it?

How embarrassing for you this must be.  I mean, according to you (and I’m going to have to paraphrase here so that people who speak English can follow your rants) I’m (now) apparently homeless, poorly read, in-bred, inarticulate, a racist, completely backwards, ignorant, a hillbilly, uninformed with respect to the world and the bankrupt countries you love so dearly, etc… yet I’m so easily able to decimate you here.  While great fun for me, I simply can’t understand why you keep coming back for more.  I can only come to one conclusion: along with your many other – I’m guessing double digits?? – psychological disorders you must also be a masochist.  Because as I said, it must be humiliating for someone like you, to be so horribly trounced by someone like me.  LAWL

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Holly Golightly

Ha! You wished I called you filthy rich! In your dreams sucka! Nobody rich could ever be as dumb as you. Even Bush who has a chimp's brain... Is smarter than you. I do not care what you have to say. Blah blah blah, we all know you are part of the Tea Party movement. Which is a very small minority. You need to get on the winning team. It must hurt to lose, because you keep fighting on a tech site devoted to PROGRESSION of technology. Just be happy with your toaster from the 1920s. I will stick to my computer enjoying high quality podcasts. Of course, you would not know anything about that, now would you.

Be happy that your president is black and socialist. Just shut up and pay your taxes, and no one will get hurt.

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KenLV

If we all “just shut up”, EVERYONE will assuredly be hurt as you and other “progressive” lemmings try to bring the country down to an “equal level” of mediocrity.

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I just want to thank you, for making this so easy.  Since you are sputtering out almost the identical nonsense as above, I can just cut and paste…

“…we all know you are…”

Actually, time and again, you have shown that you haven’t got the faintest clue who I am, how I was brought up, or what I actually stand for.  But that’s no surprise since you’re happy in your blissful ignorance.

“Which is a very small minority. You need to get on the winning team. It must hurt to lose…”

As far as who “losing”, well now, I know it’s hard for you to make the journey back to reality, but join us so we can look at the facts… the largest gain for one party in over 60 years, the biggest midterm setback for a president since FDR (hmmm…ANOTHER socialist), the shortest majority in The House (just 4 years) for 60 years, etc… are all about as BIG a “WIN” as you can get.  LAWL  And the ONLY reason we are finally having the beginnings of a discussion on balancing the budget (what 75% of US wants (since you are mathematically challenged, let me remind you that that’d be the MAJORITY)) is BECAUSE of these WINS.  But I guess like everything else, you measure winning and losing differently that  the entire rest of the world.  Sounds like “all the people” are saying LOUD AND CLEAR what they want and it is NOT you.

Does it EVER get old being COMPLETELY wrong?  Again, I have to ask, is it masochism that you surfer from?

“…you would not know anything about that…”

Hmmm… you keep saying that, but as with most of your “points” (if that even could be considered a “point”) saying something doesn’t make it so.  It’s also pretty funny that time and again (like just now) it turns out that I know more about not only the things I’VE brought up, but also the things YOU try to bring up.  That’s OK though.  You just go on believing what you want to.  Holly’s head meet sand, sand meet Holly’s head.

And the reason that I’m discussing this HERE (besides the obvious comedic value) is that drones like YOU try to INSERT your bullshit fantasies and propaganda EVERYWHERE.  The best way to nullify the likes of you is to simply speak the truth.

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Holly Golightly

Man, I do not need to read your arguement. Just by looking at it, seems boring. We all know what you have to say. It is the same damn thing over and over again. Copy and paste every thing I have to say I turn it around, and insult me like you insult the Mexicans, Blacks and Jews. After all... I am not American, right? Seems you are as blind as you are stupid. You know nothing about me... And it is going to stay that way.

 

"Be proud your president is black and socialist. Just shut up and pay your taxes... and no one will get hurt."

 

 

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KenLV

If we all “just shut up”, EVERYONE will assuredly be hurt as you and other “progressive” lemmings try to bring the country down to an “equal level” of mediocrity.
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“Copy and paste every thing I have to say I turn it around, and insult me like you insult the Mexicans, Blacks and Jews.”

But see, that’s the difference, I DON’T need to make up things or “turn it around” to show your ignorance.  I don’t take your fantastical statements out of context; I address them right after you make them and challenge you to defend them.  Since you cannot, instead, you just go and make up things and falsely attribute them to me.  You have NOTHING but personal attacks based on fabrications  For example, where did I “insult the Mexicans, Blacks and Jews”?

“Man, I do not need to read your arguement. Just by looking at it, seems boring.” “Seems you are as blind as you are stupid. You know nothing about me... And it is going to stay that way.”

I understand; reality can be very boring to someone like you, living in fantasy land and all.  This doesn’t really surprise me. Most children are easily bored with things they cannot comprehend.  Here’s something you might find more to your liking:

http://www.myspace.com/veronicanightmare

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TerribleToaster

 

People seem to be missing the big issue here (or rather, they are avoiding it).

 

BACKGROUND:

The problem starts with a little bit of business law: States can only tax and govern intrastate (trade within the state) and cannot tax or govern interstate trade (trade between states, this includes other nation states not in the US) without express permission from the federal government.

At first glance this seems simple enough, but once you get into how businesses interact it quickly becomes rather complicated, but this much is enough to understand the first part, which is states can only tax things sold within the state. This is how states make the bulk of their money.

Now the next part that comes in is that interstate trade in the USA is rampant. This would seem counter-intuitive to the idea of states making any money, but this has never been a problem because even though the items being sold are made out of state, the distributing body is still located physically within the state and thus subject to intrastate taxation. As long as the distributor has a presence (physically) in the state, the state can continue to collect that large bulk of tax money that it uses to run.

Part three (and I'm sure most of you have caught on to what I'm going to say by now) is that there is a relatively new kind of distributor; the internet distributor, which are distributors such as Amazon that can be effectively, an interstate distributor. It is quite possibly for Amazon to do the bulk of goods distribution in a state where they literally have no physical presence. No state presence means no state taxation which leads to two very important things:

1. Amazon can sell cheaper than other distributors since they don't pay taxes in the state. Since they are cheaper, they get more customers, and then sell more goods without state tax, get even more customers, etc etc.

2. As Amazon gets more and more customers, states lose more and more income from the hit they take in taxation. To continue to run they have either two options. One is to increase the tax on their citizens to make up for what they lost from taxing distributors. The other is to find a new way to tax these interstate distributors.

 MAIN POINT:

And that is the question at hand: Either raise the tax on the citizenry or find a new way to tax these interstate distributors. Those familiar with macroeconomics, the question is whether to tax based on the supply curve or the demand curve. Both can/will generate the same amount of tax profit and dead weight loss in the overall economy but the question is who takes the majority of the hit for the dead weight loss and tax profit, the supplier profit or the consumer profit?

This is where the debate should be as there are obvious advantages and disadvantages to both.

For example, taxing Amazon forces them to raise prices making it hard for lower income families to afford goods than if the citizenry was taxed instead. However, taxing Amazon ensures that instate distributors can compete on a level playing field which can protect jobs within the state.

This is the problem we are facing here (the coming of the interstate distributor and the lack of legislature to deal with it) and thus the focus of the debate here should be on how to deal with interstate distributors. Debating over federal and state spending strategies, federal and state deficit and other areas of the economy in general won't solve this problem with anything more than a temporary fix. These are the equivalent of giving a blood transfusion to a man with a gaping head wound; it might be helpful in the short run, but you still have to deal with the large hemorrhage on his face.

 

 

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Carlidan

That was well informative. Thanks. :)

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ShyLinuxGuy

California just needs to be more PROACTIVE about spending money. I don't live there, but I do know Washington (state) mimics California in its budget crisis and the steps taken to get in that predicament. Amazon doesn't play around, California is going to *lose* more than they would have collected from taxes because Amazon will drop suppliers, affiliates and its own fulfillment centers and offices. The airheads running California should have thought about that before jumping to conclusions.

Amazon always wins, and rightfully so.

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bpstone

Taxing the rich is not the answer. Cutting unnecessary government spending makes more sense than that. There is too much wasted spending from top to bottom. In the long run the Obama administration wants to increase the deficit an additional several trillion. The proposed tax raises would equal an estimated 600 billion dollars. By taxing the wealthy you restrict their ability to invest back into the economy which creates jobs for the working man. We need jobs to stimulate the economy. Not more government intervention.

Some companies in California are considering leaving the state as a result of their actions. More government control is not the answer. They cannot require people to have medical insurance. Nor should other similar restrictions be put on our citizens. It is communist. Take your nose where is belongs and away from things you shouldn't have your fingers into.

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bling581

"By taxing the wealthy you restrict their ability to invest back into the economy which creates jobs for the working man."

I disagree. By increasing the taxes on the wealthy you are only taking away more money they have to stash in the bank or spend on that new Porsche or mansion. I seriously doubt it will have any effect on how much they're actually investing. If it were me I'd invest more money to try and make up for the loss from tax increases.

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bpstone

So you think it is better to put in the hands of a government that can't/won't control their spending?

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

Bullshit. Reaganomics is bullshit. The rich do not invest back into the economy; they hoard every last dime, because they always want more. It's never enough. A personal fortune of $100 million simply isn't going to do, not when you can make $200 million by scuttling factories and laying off workers.

Unrepentant, unmitigated greed is eroding the foundation of our economy.

The rich absolutlely to not invest in this country without being strong-armed or enticed. It is in their nature to be entirely self-serving and narcissistic. The rest of humanity be damned.

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ShyLinuxGuy

Spot on!

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Ghok

People have different ideas on how to stimulate the economy.

Taxing the EXTREMELY wealthy means those who are only somewhat wealthy don't have to pay as much taxes to cover the portion the extremely wealthy used to pay; since there are far more of these people they do a far better job at investing back into the economy. This also eases the burdon of taxes on the poor and middle class, and so they can buy the things the wealthy produce.

Most people want the same thing, they just have different ideas on how to get there.

 

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