Britain: Court Orders ISPs to Block Pirate Bay

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Penterax

The whole distribution industry is changing, big entertainment publishers can see the writing on the proverbial wall, and are scared, just trying to hold on to what they have.

I'm of two minds about sites like Pirate Bay, and frankly don't think I know enough to comment intelligently (but I'm going to anyway :) ). When a company spends hundreds of millions of dollars making a movie, I think it's appropriate for them to want to get paid by everyone who sees it. On the other hand, limiting access to any form of communication must be done with extreme caution, less it threaten, or lay a foundation to threaten, free speech.

It's interesting to note that radio was the primary advertising medium for music for generations - publishers essentially gave away their product in order to make region-wide sales. It worked so well to give it away that it made these companies extremely wealthy.

I do believe that the industry has largely over-reacted and are playing a defensive game that is actually hurting them, not helping - but again, I don't know enough to know. What I do know is that reacting defensively instead of being pro-active and creative rarely works as well.

The industry would do better to change with the times.

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thetechchild

I agree with most of your post, but for 2 things. First, you mention that a company that spends hundreds of millions is justified in asking for profit. That is wholly untrue, because their profits always greatly exceed their expenses, to the point of ridiculous wealth. There is a reason that people are rising up due to economic inequality.

Second, radio is an inappropriate analogy for digital distribution, because the point of radio is that it's centralized. So you can't simply go back and replay a song that just aired, and it's difficult to find an exact time for when it might air again amongst many stations available. On the Internet, a simple search for a song lets you listen to it over and over again, copy it to a portable medium like an MP3 player or phone, and basically eliminates the entire need for classical distribution, rather than serving as limited-dose advertising.

However, your general opinion I agree with. The industry definitely does need to take action outside of the courts. Asking for censorship just provokes stronger rebellion. Looking at indie companies and artists, it's definitely possible to make a great profit without that stuff, so the large megacorporations should follow suit.

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webhead

Yeah, this is total hogwash. I'd rather line pirate bay's pockets then some rich wankers who own the majority of the world. Check out Dan Bull, or George Barnett. Two extremely talented artists who completely support TPB and what they do. Another prime example that torrents actually HELP the entertainment industry: I downloaded a fairly decent cam of the new avengers movie, and it was so badass that I'm going to see it in theatres, and I'm taking my little brother. If I didn't have torrents I would have just skipped it, but thanks to torrents the motion picture industry just made about $30 bucks. I used to go to the movies all the time, but now I know when they suck, and that's the real problem to these suited monkeys. They can't peddle crap to people smart enough to work bittorrent. I rarely use TPB, I'm a proud member of demonoid. And all this crap about viruses? Please, if you're on this website, you probably have antivirus. You definitely have a brain, USE IT. Don't download shady stuff and you'll never get a virus from a torrent, I never have.

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Hilarity

We all know real pirates use Usenet. Anything within retention (currently at 1354 days) I can grab within a few minutes. Torrents? Pfft, unwashed masses.

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webhead

Last I checked usenet made you pay a fee, but please correct me if I'm wrong :)

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kris79

Fee? We don't need no stinkin' fee. 25GB free. Just went and checked it out since I was one of the unwashed he referred to. Very cool - no info collected, and easy to use. See this- http://www.spyontech.com/online-services/secret-to-access-usenet-service-to-download-file-as-many-as-you-want-to.htm I don't know enough about this though to know if it's safe. Maybe one of the tech-heads can answer that...

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Hilarity

25GB? Your speed will be around 50kb/s. A joke. And cost? $8 a month and you will wonder why you ever fucked with torrents.

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kris79

I tried it just to see how to do it, and I think that I got somewhere around 0.5 to 1 MB/sec. Anyway, didn't take very long to download a 17 MB and a 25 MB file using SSL. Didn't cost me anything either so don't know where you got that $8/month thing. Maybe that's only if you need more than the free 25GB/month.

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JohnP

No mention here of TPB having only magnet links now. The whole torrent list can now be loaded onto a USB flash drive. All they have to do is create alternative links and slight name changes with a small database load to make this into a three ring circus with clowns continuously popping out of a Mini with large flatfooted cops chasing them about the ring.

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naxself

“Sites like The Pirate Bay destroy jobs in the UK and undermine investment in new British artists," reads a statement issued by the British Phonographic Industry (BPI).

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Prove it.

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JohnP

Don't you mean the British Propaganda Industry?

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kris79

The real lying,cheating, and stealing goes on between the interaction of our courts, government, and big business interests. Music revenue is chickenfeed by comparison but it helps keep those lying, cheating, stealing bastards in office, and isn't that all that really matters? And tell me why my tax dollars go to prosecute the bad guys (Pirate Bay) but also pay off the really, really bad guys (corrupt judges, politicians, and RIAA, ET. AL.working in unison for themselves? And don't forget their army of nitwits who have totally soaked up their BS propaganda to tell us, who worry about Big Brother's encroachment into our lives, that WE are the bad people. This is really F...ed up!

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Budman_NC

“Sites like The Pirate Bay destroy jobs in the UK and undermine investment in new British artists," ...translation----> Sites like TPB steal big money away from the BPI and impede the BPI's ability to screw new and existing artists out of every dollar we can. Headline should read: BPI provides kick backs and campaign revenue to British courts in exchange for the court's shutting down access to TPB. The only reason TPB is still up in the US is because the members of Congress haven't downloaded everything they want yet. When they do, the same will happen here. Just follow the money trail and see who benefits the most from these actions. Sure isn't the artists and it sure isn't the consumers.

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jonnyohio

What a big waste of time. Another site will just take its place.

Sites like TPB wouldn't do so well if tv shows, movies, and music would be available all over the world to everyone with Internet access at reasonable prices. But they apparently will never learn. Times are changing and they need to accept it or go broke trying to fight it.

And no I'm not a TPB user...don't feel like waiting 5 hours for a movie only to find out its a shitty cam bootleg with a free virus included.

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szore

Try using torrents that are community verified and have comments. If a movie was put on dvd, there is a decent rip out there. Sort by seeds so download will take 20 mins instead of 3 days. Download the top 5 files to increase the odds you will get what you want the first time.

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jonnyohio

Duplicate post

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tehLazyNinja

I agree with what's been said -- they want monthly subscriptions for every little thing you do. I'd say the way to go is to roll access to music, movies and tv on demand into the ISP subscription fee, but I know the providers won't do that for less than $140 per month That's an educated guess based on comcast's past offers which always seem to be near 100/month for phone, internet and tv.

We're overdue for having all of that be one service. The way we're doing it now is absurd.

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thechipper

It just seems to me and probably the rest of the world that the governments of a few powerful nations are trying to find anything they can to gain legal control and access to everything. I wouldn't jump quickly to say that TPB is stealing from deserving people. Sweedish studies have shown that spending on entertainment based on income is actually increasing and has not shown a decline in spending since torrenting became mainstream. Which is exactly why they ruled NOT TO SHUT DOWN the site or access to it.

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morrowindsky

Keep in mind that when it comes to things like this, they're looking at maximizing profits, not saving them from the "pirate menace," despite what they say. It's not exactly news to the world, though. It's just business. :V

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