Blizzard Thinks Players Don’t Want LAN in StarCraft 2 – 57,000 People Beg to Differ

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JohnP

 The right question is "Will I be able to easily play well with my college/high school/family/buddies?" If Blizzard can make that work, then it does not matter the way they do it ( LAN or wifi, slow or fast internet access). If it can be done, then this dicussion is meaningless. Its up to Blizzard to make that happen. WoW works on that principle and 11 million people prove that Blizzard can "get it right".

 Yes you will need internet access. Take that as a given on any new game coming out and you will not be disappointed.

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slagbatfoot

Good luck finding a single long-time blizzard fan that thinks No LAN is a great idea.

I NEVER enjoyed the internet experience with these games.  Lag, profanity, sophomoric behavior, etc. always was a let down.  On the other hand, playing a great LAN game with my son or brother was outstanding.  Is blizzard so anal about controlling play that they are willing to sacrifice huge numbers of loyal fans (customers)?

My low bandwidth connection in alaska will not support 2 or 3 of us sharing it to comply with Blizzard's stupid, jack-booted decision.

Come on, blizzard.  You can do better than that.

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Khaled

over 92,000 so far... did Blizzard respond?

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darklordjac

yah i signed that petition when it had about 2000 sigs never knew it was gonig to get that high

 

 

i love sc in all but i love lan even more. Me and my friends had so much fun laning i almost cried laughing...good times

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TheMurph

If you hate this, you're going to crap your pants with C&C 4...

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jbuilder_01

I host LAN parties a few times a year at a local community centre that dosn't have internet. This sucks because we won't be able to play starcraft2 when it comes out.

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mesiah

Seriously, Not having official lan support is not a big deal. You are all making a huge deal just because all of you hardcore supergeeks are wetting your pants over the fact that you can't 100% shut out the rest of the world and have a geek fest in your basement. And you justify it by using phrases like "In this day and age" and "Lan has the least lag." First off... "In this day and age" get real. There are very few games on the market today that have official lan support. Its a thing of the past. Back when the original starcraft came out most of the world didn't have high speed internet access, and pretty much any game with a multiplayer mode offered lan play. There is no reason why you can't all sit in your dark basement. Connect to battle.net. Set up a private server. And still geek out to your hearts content.

Which brings us to the second topic. "Zomg lag!" Are you serious? Its an RTS. If you set up a private server and have a handfull of people playing lag isn't going to be an issue. This isn't WoW were you have 600 people running around at the auction house on a server with thousands of connections open. Not to mention, again, RTS! This is a strategy game. You aren't doing boss fights making split second decisions. You aren't in a shotgun standoff where a split second is the difference between winning and losing. Your moving units around a map.

The argument of fighting piracy is perfectly valid, and I'm sorry but this is where all games are headed. Soon enough just about any game you play will require you to connect to their validation servers while playing. I agree on all other acounts ( 3 versions of the game, dated graphics, etc.) for reasons not to buy this game. But unless you can give me a real solid reason why lack of lan support is a no go, and "what if we dont have internet" or "the lag will be unbearable" do not count, then this whole outburst is just one big case of nerdrage. I'm as big a geek as anyone else, but freaking out about lack of lan support is over the top for even me.

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Spider-Mom

your an idiot

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fullur

FYI, ignoring reasonable arguments is not a reasonable way to win one. Even in the US there are many areas that have no broadband or shoddy broadband. For instance, my area. And yes, lag matters every bit as much in Starcraft or C&C as it does in TF2 or WoW. Micromanagement is the name of the game, and the quickest micromanager wins. Most RTSs should really be called real-time tactics games because it is not about strategy, especially in the late game.

There are also a fairly large group of people who would rather go to the library for their internet, and play multiplayer on the LAN at home so they don't have to pay for their own internet. I am not one of those people, but I can see the wisdom of it.

The argument about fighting piracy is understandable, but illogical because it doesn't work. It is like making guns illegal. All that happens is upstanding citizens have no way to defend themselves while the criminals still have the guns. It's also not where all the games are headed as evidenced by games like Sins of a Solar Empire. Some people actually see the value of not treating their customers like criminals.

 Your argument about the private server seems reasonable, but that is a large cost increase to make what should work anyway work. Unless you are just talking about a private game, and that does not solve the lag problem at all since every computer still has to connect to battle.net. Further, it isn't just your connection that matters on battle.net. It's everyone's. The server you connect to can also cause problems. 

 Incidentally, do you really understand how little bandwidth each computer gets when you split a broadband connection 6 ways? (a common number for a small LAN party) 3 Mbps is the most common maximum speed (for those who have access to broadband at all) in my county. Split 6 ways,you get a maximum of 512K per computer, and nobody ever gets the maximum. Have you ever tried playing a "modern" game online on 512K?" So quit with the "freaking out about lack of lan support is over the top for even me" garbage.

 I probably won't buy SC2 because I did not like the first one all that much. I played because my friends did. The graphics in the screenshots I have seen for SC2 looked like they were drawn in 1999. Not that interested so I won't see it if they have improved it. Also the 1 game in 3 pieces model is a blatant cash grab and really burns my biscuits.

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methuselah

RTS and LAN go hand in hand.  Fortunately not everyone shares your narrow view.

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ShinRenNu

We don't have great connection like you do sir.

Some parts of the world doesn't have huge bandwidth to cope up playing "competetive online games".

Check out our latency here in my country[Philippines]. See if you can play a decent game here. $70 here is only 1mb connection and we're sharing that already. So it gives us unfair match playing on battle.net

 

 

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mesiah

This is a testament to how little you really understand about how much
bandwidth rts games use. I gaurantee you could easily play this game
with a 512k connection. I'll bet it will function just fine under dial
up. Large bandwidth is not neaded for the small amount of information that needs to be transmitted in these games. As long as your latency is fine thats all thats going to matter.

As for the guy pointing at ignoring a valid argument, I'm sorry but the industry is moving on. Lan support just isn't necessary anymore. both you and the other guy that argued the point both have an internet connection faster than dial up, so you both proved my point. Nobody scoffs at new PCs that don't have floppy drives, because they just aren't needed. Sure, you could probably make use of it if you had it, but there are other options out there.

And lastly, for the guy calling me a troll... Thats the typical argument of someone who is not smart enough to make a real argument but feels like they need to say something. If you want to talk about being narrowminded, I'm not the one refusing to buy a game because it lacks a technology that most software producers abandoned years ago. 

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Spider-Mom

Computers dont have flopys because people done use them. People DO use lan. Your very stupid.

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stige

well said.

however, i do have nostalgic memories of sitting on a milk crate in a friends "dark basement" with a monitor at my feet and a 20-headed hyrdra of cables spraying all over the place, playing both the 'Craft's until the wee hours of the morning.

my head may agree but my heart says, "LAN!"

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mesiah

Me too my friend. Those were the good old days. But theres no reason people can't still have a lan party. Just because you have to use the internet doesn't make having a super geek fest in your basement any less fun ^^

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icedearth15324

If they add lan play I will refuse to buy it. People need to realize that software piracy is what is causing this. All those people that download games cause companies to go online only or online based. If it has lan play one person could make a dozen copies of the game and distribute it.

 

I bet most of you saying you will not buy the game if they don't add LAN will fold whether they put it in or not. A lot of you are too big of fan boys to resist the urge to play one of the most anticipated sequels of all time. So quit complaining about a stupid little thing like this, and grow a pair and just be thankful they are finally releasing such a great game.

 

 

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Shalbatana

 Wait, you'll refuse to buy it if they include MORE functionality? That's a case rarely heard.

 I see their side, as I do internet play every week, but have only LAN'd 3 times in my life. So if they take it out I won't miss it. But is it really that much of an effort to include? Is the code THAT different from internet code?

 Still, this is all irrelevant, as within 10 minutes of buying the game, anyone who has a lan setup will be smart enough to use a virtual LAN setup and play it anyway, and within 2 weeks, some hacker will publish an add-on for it anyway.

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frizzly

they could just add LAN where you have to have your own copy of the disc in your drive. that way we get what we want and they get their money.

 Frizzly Mejere "Once you go down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny."

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tweeve

The first game the lan support is what held the game together. Sure I played Battlenet but nothing compaired to setting in room full of friends and doing lan play. we even played starscaft lan on laptops when we travel since we can never garentee how powerfull all the laptops are going to be.

If they dont put lan play into SC2 there is a very good chance I wont be buying it. If I do buy it, I will wait till the price drops to less than $20

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D3lt4

:)
I Love LAN, it is the most lag free way to play, the fastest way to play, regardless of what connection one has,
plus the upside is that I don't feel as much of a loser when there is a few more people doing the same thing in the same room and it helps my social skills..... ahhh the benefits of LAN

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Rob86

it's already up to 65,000.

i really hope blizzard listens to us since LAN play was one of the things i remember the most about the original, battle.net kind of sucked back then. 

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Kaldor

Ive looked into this game as much as anyone that doesnt work for Blizz
can. I like RTS games. I can play one for 8 hours straight if its good
enough, much to my better halfs dismay, heh.

They can crow about this or that or how much game play it will have or
whatever, the fact remains you will have to buy 3 copies to get the
entire game. A single playable race per game which will most likely
cost at least $40 is fail. Trying to pawn this off as 3 separate games
looks like a money grab to alot of us.

Graphically from what Ive seen thus far it does look like Starcraft 1
with slightly better graphics. Have they even seen what Sup Com, DoW2,
RA3 and others look like? For a game thats been in development forever,
looks like fail in the graphics department.

No lan play in this day and age is fail. Even if Im at a lan party, I
shouldnt have to access the internet just to play with people that are
sitting next to me even if the lan there has internet access.

Its not just one thing here, its multiple things that SC2 looks to be failing at: multiple copies, graphics, no lan play.

And this is coming from a guy that owns Warcraft (on floppy), Warcraft
2, Warcraft 3, Starcraft, Diablo and Diablo 2. I dont think Ill be
buying this one. I think Ill save my money for Dawn of War 2 xpacs,
(crosses fingers) a new Company of Heroes game, a new Sins of a Solar
Empire, or World in Conflict xpacs all of which really give even
Starcraft 1 a run for its money because they are very good in their own
way.

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bingojubes

i too have signed the petition, and even if it doesn't get recognition later on down the road, i still probably would not get SC2. it would be funny to see most release reviews score it way under par because of no LAN. i wonder if this "new" bnet would be pay 2 play, as well? it seems logical for Blizzard, since the huge WoW success. D3 i think will have a SP aspect to it, but i am not too sure right now.

and 50$ for only 1/3 of the entire SC2 game? c'mon, thats just stupid. soon as they release Wings of Liberty (i think thats the title) there are gonna be class and unit tweaks anyways, cause they cant change the balance once it hits shelves - its got to be consistent all the way through. since they are releasing in a trilogy, i bet the games are not even going to be graphically consistent. 

Blizzard is taking away fun and consistency, all for the sake of more money from its larger fan base. that sucks. wuality is really diminishing, i think.

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bingojubes

also to add...so this would be the official end of installing "spawn" copies across networked computers? never played the first SC onlione or LAN, but after thinking about it, that might have been the LAN install option...

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maniacm0nk3y

From what I'm hearing it's Activision...but I'm not sure. Blizzard agreed though and it's all about: Piracy. Nobody will ever learn. Treat your customers like criminals and...

 I won't be buying it until they put lan on it or not at all. 

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habuza

No lan, three "separate" games? Bullshit. All they see is $$ signs. As soon as I heard they were releasing SC2 as 3 stand alone games, I called shenannigans. I'm not buying it, and if there is no lan for Diablo 3 I'm not buying that either. Greedy fuckers. 

Also, I quit world of QQCraft too. Their decision to do that caused me to boycott all their shit.

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Romer

No LAN play doesn't bother me that much, just as long as Battle.net works smoothly and isn't like the crappy online servers EA uses for the recent Command & Conquer games (C&C3 and RA3 online drive me nuts).

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jfigura

Not everyone has a quality internet connection. We host 16 player LAN's in my garage in the boonies. The Internet connection sucks and wont handle 16 people pounding it out to battle.net... on the other hand, we get by beautifully on any local lan game. Alot of us in my aging group (Im 41) were looking forward to Starcraft II ... Not anymore. Other games and publishers wil get our money this year. Not Blizzard.

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tomastaz

Same man

 

 

 

All your base are belong to us!

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leetNightshade

I don't even care about Starcraft, I signed the petition more for the principle of the matter. 

 

At my school the Electronic Gaming society is always holding huge LAN parties and kids in our Game Design lab play starcraft somewhat often.  Starcraft II would be getting rid of a good thing that brings people together physically into the same room.  LAN and Starcraft are an amazing phenomenon, and it concerns me that Blizzard are even considering removing it.  Insane!!

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I Jedi

Link to why they did it: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/30/starcraft-2-blizzard-responds-to-lack-of-lan-support/

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ShinRenNu

I'm one of those who signed the petition and Blizzard should consider this because LAN is the heart of Starcraft. It is where playersgroup and create a huge fan base for them. It's not going to be fun again playing alone in my room. Playing Starcaraft with my friends boarding house and setting up a LAN party makes it more enjoyable to play.

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dracoress

We have yet to see what battle.net will be like.  Maybe it will be the best experience you ever had.  Probably not but you never know.  I host a lan party about once a year, just 8 guys or so, and it's fun!  But we played TF2 from my one BB connection to an online server without any problems.  Most gaming will be done either playing the single player or through battle.net anyway.  Things may turn out okay.

 It is Blizzard after all.....miracles happen :)

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ShinRenNu

Why? Because we're not having LAN party just to play games man. We also drink to death while playing. So how does that going to be the same again? Hooking a LAN and connecting to battle.net? duh? My connection here is only 1mb then competing with other countries that has uber latency would frag us to death. 

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D3lt4

No LAN?! WTF? BBQ?

 

Lol! They say it is because of piracy?! I do enjoy setting up a lan connection with my friends and just playing together since that is just about the fastest most lag free play one can achieve.

 

This makes me wonder if Blizzard is going to screw star scraft up... or just make it a star craft clone with little or no innovation.

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D3lt4

I am not saying it is a clone, I am hoping that it is not. (slightly different than me saying it is one)

as for the videos, I have seen them but they don't look that excting, there is no real innovation, and the concept still seems the same.  200 unit cap,same basic units, graphics are slightly better, but I am still excitied because I know I can be wrong and if not well at least they upgraded the graphics of star craft, I mean it only took them a decade.

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Havok

 I don't see how ditching a LAN access will stop piracy, but Blizzard has yet to make a game that sucked, so I trust them. Besides, you can still make a server w/ your buddies at a LAN party... You all just go online, then start a match, TF2 style.

It's really not that hard to comprehend.

Also, I recommend you check out their website before you call it a 'star craft clone with little or no innovation'

I'm pumped for StarCraft II

 

OMGWTFBBQ

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Digital-Storm

Have you not seen the videos?

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