Blizzard Hands out Bans to StarCraft II Players Who Cheat... in Single-Player

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i8alota

This is a good thing, C.O.D. should use this in there multiplayer!!!

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mysteriousgamer

If you don't like it, don't pay for it.  No one held a gun to your head and made you buy Starcraft 2.  Besides, Blizzard wouldn't have to resort to such strong measures if piracy, hacking, and achievement-grabbing measures (cheating) never happened in the first place.

Blizzard software is an amalgamation of DRM and other protective tools.  But sadly, it is what society has forced it to be. 

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HeartBurnKid

What a damn joke.  I can't believe Blizzard is banning people from the SINGLE-PLAYER GAME of all things.  Nobody gives a shit if you put money on Free Parking when you play Monopoly, and nobody should give a shit if you cheat in a single-player game.

But that's the new scheme of things, isn't it?  You don't own the game; the dev does, and they can revoke your "ownership" that you paid your hard-earned money for at any time.

Yet another reason to never buy a game that's DRM-infested.

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immersive

If you mod your phone they can stop it from working.

If you mod or cheat in a game they can stop you from playing it.

If you mod your Xbox they can stop if from working.

If you modify your car with better breaks would you like it to stop if from working?

If you add a pillow top to your bed would you like spikes to shoot up though it?

If you change your shoe strings would you like the sole to fall off?

If you die your hair from gray to black would you like your job to fire you?

Im sorry but games such as SC2 and the way it works should always have the single player part no matter what you do to the game. You should also be able to play over LAN with anyone that has the game no matter if you have been banned from the online multiplayer or not.

Also if this is the case they really should refund the cash the people payed for it.

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eternally

 

   I'm thinking that the opinion of someone who can't spell a four-letter word like "lose" doesn't hold too much weight with most folks.

 

 

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Nimrod

Alls this does is reinforce the decision i made to PIRATE this game. I pirated it for the single player and i could care less if i dont get to play their tiny MP games with stupidly low unite caps. When i started DLing it i knew i was either going to be really thankful for my decision or really regret it. And now it seems i was right not to pay the exorbitant amount of 60$ for it.

 

But this is really nothing new. EA can perma ban you from the SP game of BF BC2 if they dont like what you say on their forums. But we all pretty much already know that EA is fking fraud.

 

So at the end of the day, the only people who have nothing to worry about are the kids like me who out right stole it. I guess if you want to cheat in the SP, the message from Bliz is that you gota pirate it.

 

gtz gtz!

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StaggeredSix

Basically it comes down to this : RTFM. I play Blizzard games quite often, and I enjoy the achievement system! I love being able to prove I do neat stuff while playing SC2 and WoW. I am one of the few who actually take a look at the manual, and I scan over the EULA. Starcraft 2 is a wonderful game -  and people want to keep it that way. Using hacks, even in single player mode, takes away from everyone. Im sorry - but I really don't want this game to turn into CoD:MW2. If your going to use hacks and cheats in single player mode - prepare to be banned. Maybe Blizzard should just brand them, forever,  as hackers with a portrait or something.... a marine with a dunce cap on would do. 

Hacks in SC2 automatically prove that your terrible and should just uninstall the game.

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habuza

You've got a problem with Marines fuckface?

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Nimrod

and maybe the president of teh inderneat kuld label you are lulz0r

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VaMage

<sigh>I would have no problem with this IF it weren't for one little thing, MONEY.

If Blizz bans someone they should be forced to return that persons MONEY. Hell, depeciate it based on how much the person has currently played and refund the balance if needs be.

They don't want a person like you playing thier game, FINE, give them their MONEY back.

That's the bottom line about bans, they are taking away a product you paid for and NOT returning your MONEY.

The entire "No Returns" and "No Warranty" flies in the face of every segment of consumer law, but due to a bunch of ignorant judges and more money then the Gates, the software industry gets away with what amounts to theft, on a daily basis.

IMO, the software industry is on no higher moral plane then the pirates, and they certainly aren't compared to a "cheater" who "cheats" no one but a comptuer we call PERSONAL for a god damn reason. So, when I read about cheaters and theives all I see is one type of theif ripping off another.

Oh, and achievements, couldn't care less, actually I hate having how well or how poorly, more to the point, I am doing in the game, broadcast to the world with no say in it what so ever.

So, if someone wants to cheat, offer to disconnnect them from their account and let them play. No acheivements, which serioulsy, you play for those? No problem, who cares if you cheat at solitaire?

But this isn't about that, it's about control, and money. Every banned account saves Blizzard some small amount of money, while pocketing the not so small $60 they already racked in. Win-Win for Blizz, but what's in it for the consumer, as usual, nothing.

 

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Doldarius

but you're missing the whole point.  If I go to wal-mart and buy a dvd player and mod it, wal-mart won't return my money and no on would expect them to.  You are illegally changing their software and they don't owe anyone anything for breaking the law.  Blizzard is not hiding this practice, it's in the EULA that everyone has to accept before they install the game.

I'm sorry but I would hate to be the first guy in the world to earn every achievement only to be called a cheater and a hacker.  The fact is that cheaters cause these practices.  I cannot count the number of times I have been called a cheater in games but I don't cheat.  The fact is that the cheaters completely and totally ruin the experience of earning the achievements.

I guarentee that I would not have half the achievements I have in wow if you could cheat and earn them.  Their would no longer be any fun in obtaining something that others get for absolutely free.  It's just like communism!  When you're told that no matter what you do, you have the same pay, you don't put forth the effort to excel.  Who wants to go to school for 12 years to be a Dr. when the guy shoveling manure makes just as much money, but he has already bought a nice car and a house while you were struggling with the strenuous tasks you set for yourself.

This is not an issue of blizzard being a dick, but rather blizzard is attempting to fix a broken system.  I do not believe this is the answer, however, it's a step in the right direction.  I think they should just remove all achievements permanently if caught cheating.

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devastator_2000

If I paid money for something, you should NOT EVER be able to ban me from playing the single player version period!   To me this is like Microsoft killing your Windows install because you failed to update your OS every week.  The game and software industry is really going to have to change how it treats its customers.

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StaggeredSix

Actually -  no, hackers shouldn't get a refund. When you install any software you are agreeing to a contract. Like with any contract - YOU are responsible to hold up your end of the bargin. You break the contract - you loose.

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Nimrod

this is sthe stupidest comment ive ever heard. Hacking and modding game content is the national past time of all PC gamers weather you like it or know it or not.

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mysteriousgamer

You don't speak for me. So, don't pretend you do. Hacking/modding software is not my favorite past time. Properly installing and legally enjoying software is. Don't try to justify your thievery by bringing us all down to your level...douchebag.

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HeartBurnKid

There's nothing illegal about hacking or modding software.  In fact, doing so is an old PC gamer tradition, going all the way back to Wolfenstein 3D at the least.

If you're so myopic that you think anybody modding a game is a "thief" and a "douchebag", please, go back to your 360 or PS3.  You fail as a PC gamer.

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mysteriousgamer

You are in denial or just stupid to believe that there are not illegal ways to hack.  And yes, I believe every person that steals software, cheats in multiplayer games, or ruins the experience of other players' games--is a douchebag.

And, don't try to give me a history lesson on Wolfenstein 3D.  I've been gaming since the C64 days kid.  And I know more than you do about computers.

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HeartBurnKid

If you'd been playing since the C64 days (which I actually have; got my C64 Christmas day 1984), you'd know that people have been modding and hacking PC games since PC gaming started.  There are a million reasons to hack a game, of which "stealing games" and "cheating in multiplayer" are only two.  And neither of them have anything at all to do with the content of this article.

And if you think you know more about me than computers, I welcome you to try to take my job.  You'll have to get your MCSE Windows 2003 cert first, of course, but for somebody who's as obviously knowledgeable as you, that shouldn't be an issue.

And I didn't say that "there are not illegal ways to hack".  It's just that you seem to think ALL hacking is illegal.  I was kind enough to think that perhaps you came from the console world and simply weren't familiar with how PC gamers do things, but now I see that you're just being an ass.

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ikc_neghvar

If it weren't for hacking and modding games, there'd be no Counter-Strike and Team Fortress for Half-Life, Desert Combat for Battlefield 1942 and many other things.

To me, cheating is to have an advantage over another player which is outside the rules of the game. I do not deem the computer a player. 

I remember in Age of Empires II everyone playing would agree to use the cheats instant build and infinite resources.  The game was wild when we did that. 

In Sins of a Solar Empire, I use a trainer to disable the number of ships each player can have to allow huge battles between massive armadas.

 

I never cheat in multiplayer games unless everyone is aware of it and agrees to allow it. like AoE2 mentioned above

 

Also concerning those end user license agreements, they are not legally binding.  For electronic agreements to be valid, a digital signature must be applied.  As of yet, I have only seen this used by tax software when filing over the internet.  In real life it would be like signing a contract with an "X" instead of your signature.  EULAs are not legally binding because of that one little technicality. 

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TheZomb

In fact if you are only licensing a game you cannot steal it, you can just fail to hold up your end of the bargain. There is nothing illegal about that.

You seem to making a silly assumption that modding is stealing, if you have purchased the game it most certainly is not.

Software sales are becoming extremely shady I mean if you "sell" software (license it) your not actually making sale so stop calling it one and saying your consumers have purchased a product when they have only licensed it. You could say you purchased a license, but really you just made and agreement and the only reason to title it such is to dumb it down so its easier to get people to "purchase" your product.

I personally believe you should be able to modify a legally licensed game as much as you want as long as you don't affect the experience of others playing the game ie multiplayer. You could argue that it invalidates the achievement system, but instead of giving out permanent bans they could just strike their achievements.

This seems like an extremely poor choice by blizzard to me, even shady since the only logical reason to ban single player offenders is to not only prevent the behavior, but encourage them to purchase the game again.

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mysteriousgamer

No he didn't admit to stealing. That part I asserted on my own. hacking usually involves illegally tampering and in most cases, stealing software. Prove me wrong. Yes, I have hatrid toward hacking software for the purposes of stealing.

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Ghok

But... there are plenty of people and communities who mod games. They are usually very fond of the game they modify, and very against pirating it.

 

 

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sniggler

"Which is more or less like the NFL storming into your backyard because you and your five-year-old son are tossing around a Nerf ball instead of complying with official regulations" - not quite, if you consider the possibilities of using trainers / hacks / etc to rack up achievements and earn rewards. This sort of puts the cheaters at an unfair advantage over honest players. The only cheats that should be permitted in single-player are Blizz's built-in cheats (which they do have), and are designed to nullify the acheivement unless you go back and re-play the level sans cheats. Trainers on the other hand, pretty much alter the game's code to give you what you want, acheivements and all.

So it's a bit more like, stealing the trophy at a kid's football game, and THEN having the NFL storm into your back yard.

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HeartBurnKid

I mean, really... achievements are there really only there for one reason -- to give gamers a sense of accomplishment.  It's not like they actually do anything.

I don't know what's more pathetic -- the guy who cheats to earn achievements, or the guy who feels somehow slighted because someone else did so.

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Morete

"I only cheat in single player mode"  Yeah right.  If a person is tempted to go through the hassle of getting cheat codes and hacks for single player, odds are that they'll cheat in multiplayer mode too. 

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spokenwordd

That is total BS in my opinion.  I have never hacked or cheated in a multiplayer game yet I will use codes in single player games someties for the fun factor.  If I have beat a game in single player and want to run through it now in God mode or with a ton or gold etc etc how does that mean I would cheat in a multiplayer game?

IMHO single player games are a personal experience and should not be tied to any competitive bar or accolade.  Although I get Blizzard's point, why the hell do they have stats tied to multiplayer in the first place???

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Sparx10

+1.

Totally agree with you.

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routine

I dont understand what the fuss is all about.

When you were a child, your mother told you, "if you do x, then y will happen."

Why is this different?

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Keith E. Whisman

Does this include people that play with NoCD cracks?

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sniggler

^

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smkoerner

Believe it or not, when legitimate players learn that others are cheating it does ruin their gaming experience.  Blizzard invested time and money in the achievement system, it's a no-brainer that they aren't going to let people marginalize it by cheating.  Achievements play a big role in keeping people playing their game instead of competitors games.  

I think all of the cheaters should boycott Blizzard and save them the trouble of banning.  They won't be missed.

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ShockerX

Don't people have a damn clue? There's already ingame cheat codes you type in for chat on single player. Don't see ANY reason to hack singleplayer. EVEN using the cheat codes disable the archievements, so its more of the same reason you shouldn't hack. Damn idiots. I support this ban Blizzard. I didn't even have much trouble getting the archiements on single player.

Hard difficulty was semi easy. I even beat Brutal difficulty mode, and that was some challenge and fun. Then when I went back to hard/normal mode to get all the archievements. My god, how easy it became to ace through the missions.

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Jelson

I was wondering when someone would say that, rather pointless real. It's not worth getting basned doing it thee illegal way.

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X2brute

is this for the built in cheats? like power overwhealming? (i dont know the sc2 ones) or just 3rd party hacks

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Sparx10

No, using the built-in cheats disables you being able to earn achievements at the time of using them, they are only talking about 3rd party cheats which will still enable you to earn achievements and have your stats logged.

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tier4

Some of those achievements are really hard to obtain. Ingame cheating is actually okay, because you don't get the achievements for having done things - you had cheats to help you.

The problem arises when people use hacks to get said achievements. They take credit for something they didn't do. They get a shiny badge that proclaims that they have done impressive feat X when they didn't. So why are you making it sound like they barely did something wrong? Though I agree that a ban is too much, these people still deserve some sort of punishment.

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MBK

Maybe I just don't care enough about achievements.  I have never checked another player's achievements, I simply could care less what they've done.  So really, I don't think they are doing anything wrong.  Unless I'm missing something that actually makes these achievements mean something.  When it comes down to it, if you have to fight someone in multiplayer who had to cheat to get achievements you earned, chances are you'll wipe the floor with that person anyway.  Only person the hackers are cheating is themselves imo.

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mysteriousgamer

Unless the person uses a multiplayer hack and beats you that way, which they will.

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Sparx10

but thats something totally different. we aren't talking about hacking multiplayer, we're talking about hacking singleplayer.

and besides, most singleplayer hacks won't work in multiplayer anyways

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MBK

Really?! Banned for hacking to gain achievements?!  This is retarded.  At least when Valve took action in TF2, all they did was remove the achievements form the offenders, not stop them playing the game they paid for.  Additionally, I'm not certain, but I'm think the achievements in TF2 actually held some weight as they unlocked new items (the only way to get these items until one of the more recent updates), so cheating for them was actually damaging other players experience...in a way.

However, this is ridiculous and probably means that if someone figures out how a way to make a 3rd party single player MOD for the game, MODs which could increase community duration, anyone who uses it will get banned.  But I guess Activision/Blizzard like that cause it means they can charge you through the nose for map packs.

Just to say, I think they very much exploited the fact that this game was bound to sell well by adding the ban clause into the EULA.  Even if people found out, there is no way a boycott would occur.

Finally, I don't own the game and am not an angry cheater who has just been banned.  If I did own it and cheat in single player, I would be angry cause I hate it when devs think they can mess around with my experience.  You know, the one I paid for.  This is just as bad as some DRM (ala Ubisoft).

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Sparx10

+1

(very constructive posts I'm making :D)

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joeking

My opinon, all cheaters should be banned, period.  Cheating is the reason why PC gaming is so frustrating and rage-inducing.  I'm sure everyone knows the feeling.  There is nothing more that I hate, and I'm being honest, then people who pose as good players but cheat their ass off.  Then they say "LoLuMaD?!" or "ur bad", etc. etc.  Anyways, all cheaters/hackers if you're reading this, please do us all a favor and jump off a cliff, face down.

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Sparx10

-.-

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frizzly

if they push to hard to ban SP cheating and locking them out of Battlenet so they cant play at all. then I think people wil just start running their own servers that blizzard cant touch. Just like they did for World of Warcraft.

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Gezzer

You are asking about people right?

I mean people on the internet right?

I mean people who are gamers on the internet right?

But wait lets look at that again, people are cheating to get single player achievements . WTF!?!

Doesn't it follow if some one is that obsessive enough to cheat in a single player game to receive unearned achievements, that others would be obsessive enough to really wigg out if they find out people are doing exactly that?

That kind of makes Blizzard responsible for policing players even if the cheatings a bit stupid. Considering just how stupid this cheating is I'm all for Blizzard banning them. In fact I think they should be reported to the local mental health unit. Actually both groups should be reported. What every happened to playing a video game after work/school to unwind, or waste time, or simply have some fun?

I mean sure if you've got some skills cool, but in the big scope of things it's really a minor achievement. Even if your a "pro" player all it means is it's how you earn your living. BTW that is what pro means you earn a living, simply playing at a "high" level doesn't make you a professional. Untill they hand out a Nobel prize for gaming or something at that level, it's not really that big a deal. I've been playing games since the early 80's (yeah I'm old) and even I understand that.

Okay maybe banning is a bit harsh, how about removing all the offending player's achievements and disabling any future ones. That would be a bit more reasonable. But only if they go into very intense therapy.

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carnivorousslushee23

I noticed over at the PCGamer article for this that a lot of the readers were getting all hot and bothered as well, so I wanted to do a little clarifying:

Blizzard is only banning people who used 3rd party hacks and trainers to unlock achievements WHILE CHEATING in single player.  You're allowed to use the cheats that Blizzard included in the game (like the original's black sheep wall, show me the money, modify the phase variance, etc.), but when you use one of those Blizzard cheats, that save file is no longer allowed to unlock achievements because you used it.

The bottom line is, the people who got banned are the people who USED CHEATS TO UNLOCK ACHIEVEMENTS, which they are NOT supposed to do.  If you want achievements, you play without cheats, or else the whole achievement system is devalued because it would be so easy to unlock them.  Personally, I think that Blizzard ought to do this, because I don't like the fact that I have to work hard unlocking an achievement while some douchebag can just cheat and unlock it too, with much less effort.  And I'm pretty sure that Valve did something similar with people who cheated to unlock achievements as well in TF2.

Just my two cents.  I hope I made sense there.

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bingojubes

if they get so paranoid about people cheating in SP and ruing the achievement ladders, maybe they will drop single player modes and just be strictly MP on the other 2 releases of the trilogy - it would be easier to regulate then since EVERYONE would have to be playing MP online with a legit copy nonetheless.

they could probably remove SP in lieu of SP cheating, and players will still play, online, that is, and nobody would maybe care. thats where most of the action is, anyways.

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bingojubes

I think SP should be left alone. isnt the game designed that when you activate a cheat, achievments are diabled? i better reinstall my copy: hate to reinstall after a few months and then find i cant play no more - i do not even remeber if i used cheats to win that game or not. welp, back to reinstall for good measure.

SP is not competitive in any way besides against AI - MP should be regulated, and SP should be left alone. maybe they will be retroactive and ban all the people playing the first Starcraft+Broodwar whilst cheating, if they can find those people. Gold spammers in World of Warcraft whould be a more pressing issue that SP cheating.

what happens when you dont care for achievments, and just want to play? achievemts are a nice way of enticing people to play more and try different things, but i dont know: i just buy it play it then reshelve it in the closet for a few years after finishing it in a week. achievements dont mean squat if you suck at the game, like i do, SP offline or MP online.

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Nimrod

Good post but whats the deal with arguing that mods are BAD?!?? Are you serious or were you juse using MW2 as an example? An example that was already pretty damn terrible in the first place.

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Vahn16

How is it a terrible example? Modern Warfare 2 is another Activision-published game that's absolutely overrun with cheaters. Surely Blizzard's lockdown policy has been influenced by that at least a little bit.

As for mods, I meant third-party tools and things of the like that allow you to gain an edge in single-player or multiplayer -- not new gameplay elements, levels, or things of the like created by fans. I've modified that portion of the article to make things clearer.

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