BitTorrent Census Proves 99% of Files Downloaded are Illegal & DRM Might be to Blame

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trotfox5

What about linux distros? Those are perfectly legal, and while they may not account for much of the torrenting traffic, they for sure would account for more than 1%. ITs an interesting study, but it needs a bigger sample over different content. Then again, if you really wanted to be accurate, there'd be trackers on every computer so, thats the end of illegal torrenting right there! Its also the beggining of Big Brother controlling us!

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jaycek017

sorry...

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highsidednb

um, doesn't Blizzard use torrents to send out updates?  that's another HUGE use of torrenting that's not taken into account...and people torrent tv shows because they don't want to see commercials or they want to convert those shows onto a portable format without dealing with the draconian apple store.  and for the guy who boasted about all the games he's torrented: dude, upgrade your machine.  it's 2010.  you're on this site so you must have clearly seen all the budget rigs put up here.  there's no excuse.  

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nekollx

 While i don't agree with the pirates reasons if you read his post he does make a valid complaint. His PC meets the specs for Dragons Age but halfway though it those specs take a undocumented jump making the game he paid for and halfway finished unplayable.

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Caboose

 But without additional information, all we can do is speculate. All the lil'script kiddy said was that it was a medium rig. What exactly is his "medium" rig. Is he using a pirate OS (most likely). Patches, video card, etc... etc... etc...

 It's still no excuse to start pirating it. because HIS PC can't play it, he is forced to pirate all games... Doesn't make any sense!

You know, my currently my credit rating doesn't allow me to get financing on my own for a car, so you know what, fluck it! I'm going to start stealing cars, because why should I buy them? They're too expensive, and all American cars are crap anyway, so I don't think I should pay for them!

 

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machew100

I love it when people compare torrenting music to stealing cars.  First of all, stealing a car directly hurts someone, while torrenting does not.  As far as the music scene goes, most bands make their money off of t-shirts and concerts/concert merchandise anyway.  If there's a really awesome band that I like I'll definitely buy a t-shirt unless they're 25 or 30 bucks, which happens too often. Secondly, 95% of all the movies downloaded (minus pornography) are high-banking movies that make boat-loads of cash and get more money than anyone can fathom having.  If they can pay Megan Fox millions to sit there and gargle out words with no acting talent whatsoever, then just think how well-off everyone is that's producing etc.  As far as games go, pirating games to me is really inconvenient, and I don't ever feel like downloading 15 gigs or something ridiculous just to play something that I can save up for a few weeks and buy later.  It's easy to make do, and honestly, the games that I would possibly pirate would be games that I would not buy at all, not ones that I would possibly buy.  A lot of the time game torrents suck and don't really work, or are corrupted etc so it's so hit and miss that if you're really that dedicated to download 7 gigs of something and find out it's corrupted and you wasted your bandwith/time, be my guest.  Some people are truly too poor to afford anything else to have fun, so they invest in say a computer as a one-time-buy and just pirate games instead of coming up with an expensive addiction to have fun, like modding their car etc.

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snapple00

Of course. Movies make more money than anyone can fathom, so stealing isn't hurting anyone.

Bands make their money off of t-shirts (No they don't...), stealing their music is OK.

Megan Fox is a bad actress, must be rich, so there is another excuse for stealing.

 

Anymore excuses you can think of?  

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machew100

Hmm, which sounds more like an excuse, a long, thought out paragraph with multiple points, or an almost nonexistant sarcastic post that has no reasoning or real points, just a giant "Look at me being a sarcastic asshole, I must know a lot, because I make it seem so easy to discredit what you're saying" You're doing it wrong.

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jaycek017

I can understand your arguement, but to look at both, one has to figure that the demographic is shifting due to the enhance cababilities for pirates to distribute free copies of software and video games.. Theres no way you could make a crusade across the united states and SPANK all the little kids pirating games to play.. your hand would fall off before you finish the very state you live in! what manufacturers need to look at is baselining profits and streamlining efficiency, to decrease pricetags and increase buyers.. thats the only way to resolve the rapidly increasing number of people who would rather get an illegal copy.. manufacturers should also look at selling their games straight from their site, or other websites, just buy the software download and then install. I know many are already using this technology but are still making hard copies as well, and im saying you might bottleneck sales up front, but in the long run it would be best to sell it online. regardless there will always be pirates and there will always be cheap arse beetches wanting free everything sacrificing any legallity they are liable to abide by. but thats just my thoughts.

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ironious

Ok check it out, lol, drm is not to blame for illegal stuff being on bit torrent. OVER PRICED software games movies music etc are to blame. That and nobody wants to pay for some crap you can get for free. In the past 12 years I have purchased a maybe 2 games and 3 software programs but have owned 100's. And the last game I bought is another good reason why I wont pay! I paid $50 For Dragons Age: Origins. I have a mid range system. The game ran part way through before it started crashing. I got nothing but the run around and copy and past responses from customer support. I never got my game working. Now Im stuck with a $50 coffee mug coaster because the dvd is no good to me. Sure I can sell it on ebay but dammit I shouldn't have to! I should be able to return it but there are no returns for games and software. So SCREW them! I will never pay again if I dont absolutely have too. OR in the rare cases that I have paid for certain software programs because the price was right and the company was a one man company and the program was just a good peice of work.

 

 

Sorry for the multi posts. I clicked post and it just sat here so I clicked it a few more times. There should be a confermation screen to prevent accidental milti posts.

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Caboose

Or you could just be patient!

And you are using a very poor excuse to pirate software. "It crashes on my computer so I don't think I should pay for it!" Boo-hoo! Maybe it's your pirated copy of Windows that's causing the issues. Because, you'd never pay for that either! Why pay for the OS?

And you don't OWN the games that you've pirated. You've stolen them. But that's neither here no there. THe point is, if you don't feel you should pay for the item, then don't bother obtaining it at all! Even if it's crap, people worked hard to release it. Doesn't matter if it's MacOS, Windows, or Mass Effect.

If your teacher told you that you had to complete a large project during the school year and hand it in at the end of the year, but didn't get any grade on it, and the teacher just set it aside, or threw it away, you'd be pretty pissed. You worked long hours to complete the project and you get nothing for it. Same goes for games and software!

But with your attitude, you don't seem like the kinda kid that would work hard on a school assignment. Mark or no mark. Most likely just hit up Wikipedia, copy and paste some text, toss your name on it and hand it in and hope your teacher doesn't notice! I did that ONCE in highschool, and the shit I got in from my parents and my teacher caused me to never do it again!

Maybe you need a legal wakeup call before you smarten up!

 

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aristos_achaion

He never said he'd pirated Windows. Though I kind of doubt that'd cause a problem like he's experiencing. But he's got a valid point...buying a piece of software, you pay through the nose, and often have a worse customer experience than pirates...heck, considering most trackers have a forum attached, you probably get better customer service pirating, too. Most physical products you could return for exchange or refund if you find they're incompatible with your system, especially if they're labelled as compatible. Heck, some companies might even refund you if you don't like it enough. He's quite right; the poor "we've already exploited you so we don't' care" customer service and sky-high prices that accompanies most software  is likely fueling copyright infringement as much as DRM is (though I'd argue that DRM is just another form of awful customer service).

Also, copyright infringement does not imply plagarism; that is, unwillingness to pay for overpriced, undersupported, and buggy products has little correlation to willingness to self-betterment through original research. Honestly, the two probably don't overlap that much, since much plagarism would probably be covered under Fair Use if the original work were cited (except for extreme examples of whole-hog plagarism, such as the example you propose).

And the liklihood of him receiving a "legal wakeup call" is fairly remote...honestly, you're probably more likely to be hit by lightening or hit by a car, especially since the RIAA stopped filing new lawsuits.

Please, could you at least put some civility to your strawman arguments
and baseless accusations? Your attempt at contempt just makes you look
dumb.

EDIT: To clarify: if you look at Steam sales and such, it's clear that the PC gaming industry could make money if they sold their products for far and away less than they are. $50-$60 games seem like they'd be way, way out of many gamer's price ranges...that's just asking to be pirated. There's no good reason to sell something at a price point that can be reasonably discounted by 50-80%.

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nekollx

 uh your argument falls apart in the middle

Plagerism is DEFINED as taking someone else's work and claming it as your own, if your plagerizing your not crediting them 

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aristos_achaion

Yes, plagarism is defined as crediting someone else's work to yourself. Copyright infringement is copying or distributing someone else's copyrighted material (sometimes *not* their own work, in the case of purchased or contractually acquired copyrights). You can credit work whose copyright you infringe, and you can use works within copyright laws, and yet not give them proper attribution.

 For instance, if I leaked Napolean Total War onto a bittorrent tracker (it happens to be the ad opposite this box), I would likely attribute it to Sega, given that's who it's attributed to. If I posted The White Album, I'd attribute it to the Beatles. In both cases, I'd be innocent of the plagarism (in neither case have I claimed to be the author of the work), but in both cases I have infringed copyright. Likewise, if I include an idea in a scholarly paper whose source I do not cite, I have committed plagarism (that is, I have failed to properly attribute the source, and likely claimed ownership of the idea), but I have used that idea (even if it's directly quoted and in a copyrighted work) under Fair Use, which is legal (at least in the US), and thus not copyright infringement.

 While on a certain moral level both involve misappropriating someone else's work, the two just aren't the same. Copyright is a legal monopoly granted for a limited period, transferrable between parties, while authorship is permanent, non-transferrable (except, maybe, in the case of ghostwriting), and not legally binding. Plagarism deals with authorship, not copyright. Please, don't confuse the two.

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snapple00

I agree. But there are too many kids like this that will never learn. They think they deserve other peoples work for free. Hopefully they will get busted one day because their brains can't comprehend much it seems.

Its obvious when they start their post, "ok check it out lol". Not much point in reading on after that... 

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ironious

Ok check it out, lol, drm is not to blame for illegal stuff being on bit torrent. OVER PRICED software games movies misic etc are to blame. That and nobody wabts to pay for some shit you can get for free. In the past 12 years I have purchased a maybe 2 games and 3 software programs but have owned 100's. And the last game I bought is another good reason why I wont pay! I paid $50 For Dragions Age: Origins. I have a mid range system. The game ran part way through before it started crashing. I got nothing but the run around and copy and past responces from customer support. I never got my game working. Now Im stuck with a $50 coffee mug coster because the dvd is no good to me. I should be able to return it but there are no returns for games and software. So SCREW them! I will never pay again if I dont absolutly have too. OR in the rare cases that I have paid for certain software programs because the price was right and the company was a one man company and the program was just a good peice of work.

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ironious

Ok check it out, lol, drm is not to blame for illegal stuff being on bit torrent. OVER PRICED software games movies misic etc are to blame. That and nobody wabts to pay for some shit you can get for free. In the past 12 years I have purchased a maybe 2 games and 3 software programs but have owned 100's. And the last game I bought is another good reason why I wont pay! I paid $50 For Dragions Age: Origins. I have a mid range system. The game ran part way through before it started crashing. I got nothing but the run around and copy and past responces from customer support. I never got my game working. Now Im stuck with a $50 coffee mug coster because the dvd is no good to me. I should be able to return it but there are no returns for games and software. So SCREW them! I will never pay again if I dont absolutly have too. OR in the rare cases that I have paid for certain software programs because the price was right and the company was a one man company and the program was just a good peice of work.

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TheZomb

This is like taking a survey of drug sales on the street and concluding 99% of drugs sales everywhere are illegal without even checking in stores. Most companies that use bittorrent run their own tracker and thus would not appear on this survey.

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DoctorX

I call BS.... there are a ton of Open Source software that is provided by bit torrent.  Podcasts are delivered that way also.  Check out Miro.  You will see about 60%+ of the podcasts use bit torrent for distribution.  

 

I would give him 60% or so... but not 99%.  Besides, DHT protocol is only a small subset of the bittorrent traffic. 

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snapple00

So... How did he conclude DRM is to blame? Just randomly pulled it out of the air?

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TheZomb

If you have the files, check which ones are have DRM on legal files and compare it to the ones that don't

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snapple00

What?

This proves DRM is to blame for people pirating media? Don't think so... 

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Kaizoku_King

Watch "Steal this Film" 1 and 2, and you'll get what I mean.  IP on entertainment goods is just silly.  IMO, these artists can afford to work a little harder doing live performances and tours for money instead of relying on cd/dvds, and advertising can totally pay for movies/tv shows.

 

Given the fundamental structure of the internet, it's BS to target these file sharing programs... THATS WHAT THE INTERNET WAS BORN TO DO!

 

Sharing content is great because people mix, match, and innovate to create new stuff, and the more people innovate, the more lively humanity is as a whole.

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vistageek

Nudge nudge daft punk nudge nudge...

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lien_meat

However, the same applies to so many things we casually do every single day.

Driving for instance.  I am pretty sure that you would find it difficult to drive through town (suburban or urban area) in medium traffic for one hour and not break a single law.  Really though...think about it.  There are laws about how far in advance to signal, how close you can tail someone, don't forget the speed limit which is really easy to go over if you don't know the area really well, and happen to drive into a school zone or something, stopping before the white line at a stop (even if you can't see around the corner for traffic) before pulling a head to see if anything is coming.  And lets not forget to take into account the codes for your vehicle.  I know here in America many people drive cars that aren't exactly up to code, but since their state doesn't have rigid testing in place, nobody ever cares (I am originally from the midwest...I know this is common).  Yet many of us drive every single day most likely, and many times I'm sure we break driving laws we dont' even know about.

Torrents are different, yes.  Usually you do know if you are breaking a law, and are fully aware of that fact.  I'm not saying it's a perfect analogy, but you get the idea.  Some laws seem like they were just made to be broken, or at least not to be governed as if they were top priority.  Copyright infringement isn't one of those things...but with all the hassle it can be to obtain or use things legally, I'm not shocked that the numbers are pretty high.

I torrent stuff.  I know some of the stuff I download isn't legal sometimes (I don't download movies, they are just better in theaters, trailers and reviews usually give me an OK picture of whether I'll like the movie...and anything I'm not willing to spend 8 bucks on isn't worth watching anyway).  For instance, my copy of windows 7 was illegal.  I downloaded the rtm because the beta was acting funny on my laptop.  I wanted to see if the issues were fixed (one wasn't, webcam is still crap...is great in xp and ubuntu).  However, I did obtain a legal copy (2 actually) later via msdn, just because it is the way forward as far as MS OS's go...and I know I'm gonna be needing it sooner or later.  I don't feel bad about it...even if I hadn't downloaded it off of msdn later (as long as I didn't use the rtm indefinitely that is).  I personally believe you aught to have legal right to try before you buy.  Bittorrent is a very efficient way to do this...and I intend to keep using bittorrent for that use until they make it impossible, or much too risky.

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Digital-Storm

Wall of text crits Digital-Storm for 1000 damage.

Digital-Storm dies.

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snapple00

Lol nice.

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Digital-Storm

Wall of text crits Digital-Storm for 1000 damage.

Digital-Storm dies.

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jaycek017

Thank goodness I am one of the very few that only use bittorrent for the approximately 1% of legal products and media available..... whatever those are.... 

 

SPC Roberts

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Neufeldt2002

Just to add fuel. The comments section of the site where this is first report, by the guy's teacher I think, is full of comments questioning the methods and results.

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Fruguy

Thing is, how can you tell if something was an illegal file. If you record a tv show that is being broadcast over the air and share that, is that copy of the show illegal? There used to be the same thing about twenty years ago when people used to record songs on tapes from the radio. how can they put protection on content like that?  these big companies need to face it that if people like it, then they will buy it.

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Neufeldt2002

I could probably come up with a study that says over 99% of Internet users do illegal stuff online. Really 1021 files is an accurate result? Sure maybe on the connection that he is on, university students and all, but if you are to look at demographs I would wager things would be different. Or maybe he is a shill for the *IAA.

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rickatnight11

You are doing a study of internet traffic, and your sample size was 1,000 files?  Really?  That's it?

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Justin.Kerr

Presumably he had to download all 1,000 files to varify the contents, and make sure it wasn't just mislabled. Assuming the file selection was truely random, thats not a bad sample size.

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nekollx

 14% for games seem low considering Blizzard dispeces patchs vis a torrent and well i'm pretty sure eleven million World of Warcraft subcribers might count a bit higher then 14% 

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Digital-Storm

Which tracker did he use also?

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