BFG Announces Self-Contained, Liquid-Cooled GeForce GTX 285 and GTX 295 Graphics Cards

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Caboose

 The LAN party that I'm currently at, we have BFG doing a presentation, and this video card came up... I asked how we are supposed to SLI the cards, and BFG's solution, is to buy a bigger case! Which, in my opinion, is a really shitty solution.

 

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craigbooth

still waiting for reasonably-priced alternative to ASUS MARS GTX295.

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dag1992

How would this work in SLI?

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NakedFable

SLI or if you've already installed a self-contained CPU cooler like the Astek/Corsair system. 

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Caboose

 Exactly, with that kind of a fan setup, it would make it difficult to run more tha one in your case. Now, if you could tie in a 2nd card to that fan, that'd be different... but it doesn't look likely...

 

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dag1992

Ironically enough, most people sporting this setup would probably want SLI.  Seems like a bonehead design error, but maybe there's a way.

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savior

this should be interesting, ive heard mixed reviews on the selfcontained water cooling cpu coolers, i wonder how this will stand up to users...no room for error

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LVmonkey

i'm guessing you've never *actually* worked with water, liquid or oil cooled electronics before? maybe you should read up on the high voltage transformers in your area... that are oil cooled...

 You should also note that water cooling a pc is not new (or extreme) by any stretch any more. And maybe note that there's enough acrylic on pvc circuit boards that as long as the contacts are protected you can paint circuit boards without issue... seen it done ...granted to a NIC card... still.

Why is watercooling still so taboo on this site? I thought this site/magazine catered to pc enthusiats... did i find the wrong site?

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Shalbatana

 MaxPC has been all over water cooling for years, and has both praised its effectiveness and noted its flaws/limitations.

 The posting (and article) you've commented on is talking about SELF_CONTAINED water cooling systems. ie ones that never have to be flushed, cleaned, come prebuilt, etc.

The posting merely points out that he heard a rumor that these weren't as effective as standard water cooling kits. He also points out that if something does go wrong through user error, like pinching a hose upon installation, the card could fry.

No need for any anger man, it's all good.

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LVmonkey

no anger at all but i did not see those points addressed where as the seeming fear of water cooling has been mirrored on this site time and time again (almost every water cooling device post, pretty much). My response might have seemed heated but really it wasn't... just seemed like something kinda dumb. Really...didn't mean it in a angery way.

Self contained... how does that change anything? like from a waterpipe cooler? (come from the factory fully sealed - liquid in metal tubing i guess...)  And i've heard none of the s'elf contained being more of an issue' arguments before... at all, just the kinda of arguement that is dropped into a convo whenever water cooling is introduced is usually about the liquid nature.

 I guess the only diff i can see is weather or not you can top of the system should it need it, but you should be able to see the temp rise as the system looses fluid... so not much more scarey than an air cooler loosing a fan. A failed install of any cooler is bad... pinched tube or heatsink bumber hard enough to crush parts or break the fan... even not plug the fan in, say. 

Is there an article i missed?

Really. no anger. i just fail to see the difference other than its water... the usual 'omgbbq water =  systemdeath' arguement. maybe too many rads pointed in different directions is bad? maybe too many pumps? is it any diiferent from multiple water pipe coolers in the same system?

Not sure why there is any issue other than the usual 'water is bad' arguement. Multiple indepentant systems seems like decentralising the system... which would only seem to be more of a arguement of the redundancy of the system should things start to fail... (like a fan, say) ...can't fathom what other issues there would be. 

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mesiah

First, pointing out the use of oil cooling in transformers has nothing to do with water cooling. The two are different in nature.

Second, although water cooling is not that dangerous for the average PC enthusiast, it is by no means what so ever an easy undertaking for the average person. This isn't anywhere near the tech level of just slapping on a heat sink and plugging in a fan. Although pure water does not conduct electricity very well, once you add contaminants a careless person spilling some water could easily fry their system, especially when you consider that most new cases are moving the power supply units to the bottom of the case. Someone who doesn't know what they are doing can easily get a kink in the tubing, swap the inlet with the outlet on their pump, or a number of other small oversights that can end in catastrophic failure of their system. Just because water cooling technology is more main stream these days does not make it an easy safe alternative for the average person who has never built a system and will most likely not perform maintenance on the cooling hardware over the life of the system.

I do agree that there shouldn't be too much fear in the self contained system, but to label all water cooling as consumer friendly is a bit of an overstatement.

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Baer

I like the look. I really do not like the cartoon WOW like characters on my GPU's. They are OK for a 14 Y O but look hookey in a high end rig that youi want to look tecky not cartoony.

The BFG site has a buy button but it takes you to a non available page for now.

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erolsipar

Of course it's %100 typo if there was I would of been in Tigerdirect now.

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nmanguy

GTX 298?

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