AT&T to Plop 150GB Data Cap on all DSL Customers

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D00dlavy

Is it prorated if you only use 30-40 GB over?

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joeyjr

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jeffman1

I have one question about the limit:

Does hulu HD movies or watching from a different website in HD effect the amount of bandwidth.

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Eoraptor

if you mean "Does Hulu use more or less bandwidth than youtube" no, most of these websites still encode in Flash by default and will use roughly the same amount of bandwidth. Now there are plugins you can get for chrome and firefox to FORCE them to load videos in HTML5, but it's still not going to make much difference, and won't do anything about sites not coded for HTML5 video codecs.

The fact is you're screwed (unless of course you happen to downnload from AT&T's or Comcast's coproate partners, which won't count against your data cap, and covieneltly also strips you of any choice in the matter and makes them even more money at the same time)

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It is easy to past that Linit

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Athlonite

Look at all you Whiners aww boo fucken hoo we only get 150GB a month now what ever shall I do!!!!!! My heart fucken bleeds for you NOT you all wanna live in NZ where we pay the same amount you guys pay for your "150GB cap" just for 30GB or less depending on your ISP so to all you WHINERS all I have to say is STFU and just be happy with what you get just remember it could be worse they could have given you 25GB caps

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D00dlavy

Please GTFO if every post is going to be that plain retarded.

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pendar

Sorry but I use way more than 150 gigs a months, I don't use torrents or anything like that, I have 4 kids who use the internet. Netflix is used alot, It can be used on all the computers, blu-ray and Ipod Touch. Then add in steam content and those games are not small either. World of warcraft uses bandwidth too and 2 of my children play that. XBOX and all other PC online multiplayer games and map packs. So for me to curb that down I would have to watch lower quality netflix, no more rentals from vudu (they offer HD movie streamed) and start buying games from the store. Plus ban youtube from being used. I'm sure that low average is for grandma and alot of people who just browse the internet and check thier e-mail. I'm sure the bandwidth cap is to keep companies from offer cable tv packages via the internet, its already effecing netflix to offer low quality video. Why should I have to watch crappy video steams on my 60" 1080p TV. I like Steaming off vudu because no late fees and I save gas. I just have the average total internet family. I could always get the slower internet service as well and force every one to use lower bandwidth, but I'm sure they will just lower the caps on the smaller bandwidth packages to make up for lost money from people lowering there speeds. I pay 100 dollars for 50 mbps, thats alot of cash for 150 gig cap and you pay extra just to reach your cap faster.

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jeffman1

If you have a older computer put ubuntu and use fog.  we use it at our IT department for imaging at a school with 1200 client computers and dont need online backup. I think thats a poor execise for lack of creativity.

website for fog:

http://www.fogproject.org

 Use the fog computer locally  (at your house) to limit the amount of time to install windows and you can have software preinstalled on the image.

Takes two steps to upload the image on:

1. put all software on their you want on a clean install of your windows OS and sysprep.

2. Make sure a upload task is set for windows 7 on the next boot and you have your computer to boot off the network first.

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maleficarus™

Pendar: Give me a break! Your justifications are the same as an obese person at an all you can eat burger King! You don't need to have every PC in the house streaming Netflix in HD. You do not need HD quality Netflix either for that matter. Lower the quality and keep it to one single PC or console. Playing games online do not take up that much bandwidth, at least not enough to go over a 150GB limit per month! There is no reason to go over 150GB per month unless you are being greedy plain and simple! My family is on a 80GB cap now and we use Netflix on the Wii and I game on my PC and download movies almost daily and we do not ever go over 80GB a month. Stop being that obesse person ordering 20 burgers at burger-King!

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Eoraptor

Easy enough to call the othe guy a data pig, isn't it?

let's try a different scenario? I have 4 PC's in my household. Each one has online data backups, and two of them use online office suites. One is also a heavy user of Youtube, and all of them have desktop gadgets like weather reporters.  And none of those also count the linux box I have, or anyone who comes in with a laptop, i-device, or wants me to take a look at their computer to repair. Now all those legitimate, and not at all "piggih" uses quickly add up to the same 80gb a month that you use, and that's just the average, and average today, not into the future.

Now, what do you think should happen if I have another power surge like I did in October, and have to reformat two or more of those machines? instandly the online backup service and the windows updates puts me over my data cap by at least 30 gigabytes.

So am I also the guy ordering burgers at the counter? Or am I someone who is being peanlized for having a problem and making use of the service I'v had to choose from the two offered in my area? And none of that takes in to account any new technologies down the road, such as Windows 8 which promises to be even more cloud-connected, or increaing data quality like youtube, hulu, or audio confrencing for the blind member of my household because we have yet to find a screen reader that works with IMs effectively.

this is all aimed not at preventing data hogs, but at avoiding building out future network capacity when AT&T can just pocket the money from the customers instead.

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Carlidan

Whiners? And that's the reason you have 30GB caps is because you don't stand up against anything and let them f*(k you up the ass!

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D00dlavy

Occasionally in life, you meet a sick individual who loathes free thought and anti-establishment values.  These people are often “company men” and/or staunch supporters of the status-quo, and people with a modicum of political or economic dissatisfaction are freely labeled crack-pots or “fat people at Burger King” by these types of goons.

This guy seems the type.  I can’t imagine many other people, though, coming to the protection of the apparent corruption and greed present in these ISPs.

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Carlidan

roger that

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hath80

Maybe then they will think twice with this cap. Wish I had Verizon FIOS, they still don't cap any user. Also, you can use drm removal tool to remove drm protection from itunes, zune, amazon legally.

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DJSPIN80

I'm a pretty heavy internet user, I use Netflix pretty heavily.  I surf, I Skype, I download apps, I VPN...and you know what?  I never go over my monthly bandwidth allowance.  I used to complain and complain, but I've yet to hit Comcast's 250GB monthly cap.

When the top 2% of bandwidth users consume 90% of the bandwidth (you know who you are), simply adding more cabling or scaling the pipes is both costly and doesn't address the problem.

All you whiners here are just that: whiners.  You've yet to hit your bandwidth cap so STFU.  I mean, do you really need to BitTorrent so much that you suck up the bandwidth of an entire neighborhood or village?  Geez people, get a life.

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Carlidan

So we should take it up the ass eh. Whatever the companies deem what is apprioate for us internet  user. Hey just because you like the current system, not everyone does. Well majority doesn't. Data capping has nothing to do with "hogging" bandwith but its a way to stiffle competiton in other sectors of business. Most notably streaming videos. And why don't you "STFU" since I don't like people who are complacent. :) And thank you I do have a life, do you? Probably not.

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Athlonite

"Data capping has nothing to do with "hogging" bandwith but its a way to stiffle competiton in other sectors of business" hmmm why don't you STFU if your running an bussiness from your home plan thats your fault wanna run a bussiness over the net then get an Bussiness DSL plan fucker

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thepineapple

This started to happen in Canada recently.  A public outcry via online petition and continued calls to the CRTC have since defeated the attempt, though they are still lobbying hard in Ottawa.

The problem extended to the point where the big telecommunication companies were forcing their pricing model onto independent ISP's who buy bandwidth from them, thus ending any kind of competitive pricing in Canada.  My internet is $65/month and I am allowed 130 GB.  When UBB was first introduced in January, Shaw cut 15GB/month from every customer's bandwidth cap and offered to sell it back to us for the overage price of $2/GB.  Here we receive no warnings about bandwidth usage.  It is up to us to login to the web site and check it ourselves.

The companies will tell you that the majority of regular users are subsidizing the heavy users, but in this case, AT&T clearly states the average use is 18/GB per month, so there is no way that 2% of users could take up all the unused bandwidth from 98% of users.

There are outlets available.  Gov't won't do anything if they aren't forced.  Take our example on this one.  If you let it happen, it will become the norm.

 

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maleficarus™

Not sure which rock you have been living under but this has been going on in Canada (Ontario) for several years! I am with Rogers in Toronto. I have a 60GB cap per month for which I pay $50 CAD for. I have Netflix for the kigs and I download lots of divX movies. I have never went over my limit so I don't want to hear you guys crying about going over 160GB. If you use netlfix turn down the quality to the lowest level which will cut your streaming by 80%--and it still looks fine for TV. Stop leeching every single BT file you can get your greedy hands on! You guys rememind me of that fat guy at the all you can eat resturaunt feeding his fat pig face endless full servings of food, makes me sick!! Stop being geedy slobs and use what you need not just want to want for free. To all you guys with 2TB hard drives: Clean up your damn house, you don't need all that crap, and yes get a life or a job dosen't matter, just get off your computer and actualy be an asset not just a pathetic online liability!

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Carlidan

You clearly don't know what your talking about. The issue isn't really about the capping limits, it's more the fact that they are capping just so the can stifle competition.

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arahman21

Plus they are also trying to force UBB on the independent ISPs.

 

And @maleficarus™: There's no such thing as "consuming" bandwidth, it's not like water or gas.

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tumac34

Anybody that thinks that 5 GB a day is reasonable doesn't know how to use the internet.  This is what happens when you vote republican.

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Carlidan

Someone had to go there. Now slew of negative posts shall follow. :(

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bpstone

Quite simply companies in the United States have too much control over the American people as well as our economy. Oil companies have increased petroleum .20^. Large companies were allowed to give thousand or even million dollar bonuses of American tax payer money. Our states are wasting cash while they are attempting to lay off teachers, firefighters and police officers. Our education, comminications and technology are falling behind. Can someone please explain why the richest country in the world is allowing these things to happen? These greedy bastards need to get out of my country!!!</p>

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arch20002013

I just looked at the usage for the past 27 days and I am already over the 250GB cap that they would impose on U-Verse customers.  I just talked to a representative and the U-verse service for both TV and Internet is calculated through the same connection.  I dont even have HD nor download alot.  We do watch alot of videos online and I watch certin shows online as well.

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maleficarus™

sad, just sad...

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arch20002013

Oh, if you are using U-verse and want to know what kind of bandwith you are currently using there is an easy way to figure it out.  go to gateway.2wire.net in any browser.  Under summary, select broadband.  Towards the bottom of the page, there will be both Traffic Statistics and DSL Link Errors.  Add the two numbers under traffic statistics and find a online byte converter to convert your usage from bytes to gigabytes.  Under the DSL Link errors, it will tell you how long data was collected.  You can select reset statistics on the bottom to get a smaller data range.  It will ask for the system password then reset them.  This will give you an idea of how much is being used within the given time frame.

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Deviate

It was bound to happen sooner than later.  For some reason corporate greed is no surprise to me anymore. I hate to sound like a complete pessimist, but it's never going to change for the better, and it's never going to end. The ability for these companies to do whatever the hell they want with their service and charges is all in the agreement you acknowledge when you sign up.

Unfortunately, it's just like Eoraptor stated below: "Your only choice is choke on it or go without, because the vast majority of ISP terms and conditions are written the same way."

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gooberific

I have ATT Uverse . I also get my TV through them . The TV service comes in through IP . They have ALREADY stated that the bandwidth limit will NOT apply to the UVERSE TV service . If there were TRULY bandwidth issues , they would be applying that to UVERSE TV service as well , but they aren't .

 They just don't want people using UVERSE internet service to stream TV shows and movies down . If people do that , then they will make no money from their own IP-TV service . So the solution is .... make sure you don't want to stream from Hulu or Netflix because it will cost too much ... when you can get it for a small monthly fee from Uverse TV !

I'm seriously upset about this myself . I'm disabled and can't do much except sit and play computer games , surf the web , and watch TV all day . Being able to get online and talk to people I game with in Ventrilo , or IM or other communication services , helps keep me sane . Now I will probably never hit the 250GB a month limit , but  it still upsets me that they would use such deceptive marketing practices to cover up for their own fear of loss of revenue .

 

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noobstix

I thought AT&T had already put the bandwidth cap a while back.  Oh well, gives me more reason to tell them to piss off (had a daily dose of Dragon Age) the next time they call me about their "1.5 Mbps dedicated connection" service.

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Ghok

I am a heavy user, and I think I maybe have gone over 100 gigs once around Christmas when I was buying a lot of Steam games and streaming a lot of video. 150 gigs is an awful lot of data. However, a couple years ago, my average bandwidth usage was less than 20 gigs a month. If the broadband providers set a limit, all they've got to do is wait a couple years and they'll have everyone paying through the nose.

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audiomatron

I currently have HughesNet at home, and my bandwidth limit is 300 MB a day! If I go over, they throttle my speed to dial up speeds for a day. At this point, I'd murder someone for 150GB a month DSL. Although, I do think it's whack that they're imposing a cap, especially since I've recently had a glimmer of hope that I might be able to get DSL at all....

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Eoraptor

if you're only doing ringtones, itunes music, and emaisl, then yes, its more than enough, but if you want even a few movies, tv shows, or youtubes a month, it's quickly eaten up.

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B.A.Frayd

Less than 100 gigs a month? Err, maybe you need to check the definition of "heavy user".

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Ghok

What do you think the average user uses, then?

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essjay22

This has already happened in Canada !!

That is why it is happening here, hardly a peep from the mild mannered canucks so the CRTC is going to do what the money tells them no matter what openmedia.ca drums up, it is a done deal.Only a huge media push will come close to stopping that in the US. Thank god I ditched att sloassed DSL for cable long ago. I am fortunate to have that choice and not a lot of ppl do. Get going on being vocal or it will happen here (US) , oh  wait, it already started.

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Ghok

There's actually been a pretty huge backlash against the CRTC's decision. Not just among the public, but all the major political parties have spoken out against it. I mean, the ruling has basically been killed and something else has to be thought up.

I know it's just a delay, and we don't know what's going to come next, but to say there was "hardly a peep" isn't true.

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Roll Tide

Dropping ATT and going for Cox. Raised the rates, make a cap all without any way for me to say no other than switch. On the other hand ATT can only do is because there is no opposition. There is no legal "right" that says that any person has to accept a change in the terms of business unless one party agrees to sign away their rights. Technically if a customer were to send a bill to ATT for charges incurred by ATT that the customer says ATT incurred during the length of the services agreement it would just as valid as ATT's bill.  ATT would of course deny any charges unless it became an obstacle to them doing business. I am thinking about 35,000 people starting to charge ATT a "customer usage fee" and applying it as a credit to their bill may do something. Any thoughts ATT peeps?

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Eoraptor

Go read the terms of service in ANY bit of paperwork they send you when you sign up, or on their website describing their billing, invariably it has a clause in it that says the reserve the right to change their terms or conditions or charges at any time. It may be even more obtuse than that, but it's in there and its legal. and it's also in there that you ~can't~ sue them, only go through an arbitrator that they choose. (or worse, hold them wholly without responsibility) Your only choice is choke on it or go without, because the vast majority of ISP terms and conditions are written the same way.

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Carlidan

You would think that with this one issues both Republicans and Democratics can agree on that bandwith capping is just plain wrong. But even with this one, there is still devisiveness.

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jDoppelganger

I live in Brazil, south Brazil, in a developded city(for Brazilian standards that is) and I'm currently subscribed to a ISP with no bandwidth cap. I got a regular DSL connection, 10/1Mbps. It never fails me. I've already downloaded more then 80gigs in a single day. So yeah... I hope this American trend doesn't become an internacional pattern.

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JohnnyCNote

I have a DVD player that connects to the Internet, allowing me to use NetFlix online service. How many HD movies can I watch before I've exceeded the limit? I contacted AT&T today and they said the data caps start the first of April . . .

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maleficarus™

We know that some of you have internet data caps and we want to make it easier for you to manage how much data you use.
We offer 3 video quality settings to help you manage your data usage. No matter what level you choose, your Netflix membership price will remain the same.

Good quality (up to 0.3 GB per hour) Better quality (up to 0.7 GB per hour) Best quality (up to 1 GB per hour, or up to 2.3 GB per hour for HD)

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D00dlavy

"We?"

Maybe your company wouldn't mind a visit to this thread?  Who do you work for?  AT&T?  Netflix?

Then again, I thought you were in high school.

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Daemon

INTERNET CONSUMERS RISE UP AND FIGHT BIG BROADCAST CORPORATIONS THE TIME IS NOW!

http://stopthecap.com/    USA & Canada

http://openmedia.ca/      Canada

Fight Big ISP's, especially those who are Media Companies that own Television broadcasting, and Newspapers, Magazines, Radio stations etc...

They stiffle Freedom & Inovation and gouge consumers in the United States & Canada. Slow them down and if at all possible STOP them from Capping Comsumers, sign petitions, send letters to congress, FCC, CRTC, Parliment, State Legislators, State Govenors, at every tier of government in your respective countries. Attend district ridings,take part in rallys, do everything you can to keep the movement alive and put pressure on those greedy broadcasting corporations who care only about their bottom line and not about people. Vote with your Collective Consumerism at the forefront, let them know you won't tolerate any form of usage based billing scheme, or data caps, overcharging schemes. Unlimited Internet for ALL for ALL TIME!

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T8RG8R

I would have been happy to have been able to get half that with ATT's DSL. What a joke, four months of - it must be a bad modem, your firewall is too restrictive, turn it off. you're using the wrong browser... Never again.

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