ARM Inks Deal With TSMC To Develop Sub-20nm Procs With 3D Transistors

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Happy

Can someone please explain to me why TSMC can make FinFet chips that are sub-20nm for ARM but AMD seems stuck at 32nm?

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whr4usa

AMD nolonger manufactures anything

they spun off their manufacturing into "Global Foundries" years ago

AMD has always "adopted and amended" others' technologies

ARM has always designed everyhing from scratch then sold rights to manufacture or consulted on modification of those designs to be manufactured for specific purposes

which company do you think has better mindshare? marketshare? competitiveness?

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John Pombrio

Brad, ARM sales (ARM Holdings PLC (ARM.L)) for last year were $875 million dollars. Intel's sales was $53 billion, 60 times higher. I don't think that ARM is a serious threat to Intel, in fact Intel could bury ARM anytime it wanted to. If things do tumble in the market, ARM is much more likely to be seriously hurt than Intel.
I like ARM, it is aggressive and creates great products, but it still is in a niche market.

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whr4usa

you can't really compare those sales numbers directly since ARM only designs chips, which it sells unlimited manufacturing or/and limited modification rights to partners

Intel on the other hand designs AND manufactures both Itanium and 'x86' as well as designing and manufacturing its own network, storage, pci, display, audio, memory and remote management chipsets which it also then builds finished products out of in varying degrees from 'simple' quadport gigabit ethernet NICs to whole servers, complete with Microsoft, RedHat or VMware licenses

in terms of marketshare of all computing devices, ARM wins but its 'open-source' approach to licensing its architecture leads to so many incompatabilities that marketshare can't be considered as a single unit unlike x86

in terms of corporate financials or manufacturing capabilities and R&D Intel obviously has an upperhand but Intel isn't just processors - ARM is

P.S; VIA has been the 'real' x86 challenger to Intel for some time ...why VIA's take on the virtualization extensions hasn't become supported by KVM, Hyper-V, Parallels, vSphere and only in Xen with effort is beyond me ...AMD lost strategically on x86 long ago...its fusion architecture today only succeeds because its primarily "cheap display/parallel" instead of 'traditional' x86

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