Apple Trying to Out-Obnoxious Microsoft with New Ad

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bart3385

I consider this Apple ad falling squarely into the "outright false advertisement" box.

Isn't there any government agency monitoring this sort of falsehood?

I consider Apple PCs as good products. But this? Makes me look lower on them from now on.

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mesiah

You know, I've been thinking lately... I can't stand the bastards that create viruses and hackers making my life in the tech world a nightmare. But how many of those people use macs to do their dirty work? I would put my money on less than 1%. In fact most of them are usually big time linux and windows fanboys who are probably as fed up with the annoying apple commercials as any of us. Instead of spending their time trying to ensure the downfall of the PC that they hold so dear, how about they spend a little time making mac eat crow. If there is anything us computer geeks love to do, its to pwn people with their own words. Maybe its about time to start targeting macs with these virii. Hell, I'll even pitch in and help pay for the commercial showing Justin Longs grave with the text "We brought your secure operating system to its knees in less than a week. This message brought to you by the STFU about lack of virii hit squad."

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dracx619

LFMAO

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mdkplus

 OK Mac,  suppose you win. But if it weren't for PC,  How much would you cost?  And you would be the one bearing the brunt of attacks by worms, viruses, phishers, keyloggers, trojans, etc.. for your sake you better hope the PC doesn't dissappear! 

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publicimage

Let's take Yet Another Outright False Mac Ad (YAOFMA) point by point. There should be a few Macs lined up on the Mac side as well.

"Small screens, beat it." Buh-bye 13-inch MacBook and Air.

"Slow PCs, go." See ya Mac mini, and Air, I thought I told you to leave already?

"No viruses or headaches or crashes." This fallacious argument still? I use Macs one day a week and have seen more of the "pinwheel of death" than I care to. Meanwhile, back in my evil MS lair, Vista 64 has been running continuously -- the likes of video editing and compression software, Photoshop and even Call of Duty -- for the past 3 days and 5 hours (and counting, according to my trusty sidebar gadget), without the need for a restart.

What's left on the Mac side is a starting price point of $1500 and a huge "Welcome to the New Computer Monopoly" banner. "Affordable PCs anyone?" Take your shoes off and stay a while.

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Arkhon

And there should be a lot wider variety on the PC side, too. In that commercial, they're all dweebs in business suits, but there should be some athletes on that side, considering the best PC is much better than the best Mac in terms of computing power.

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LVmonkey

you had me for a while there ...except all MS OS's are full of memory leaks so if your NOT noticing a problem after not restarting for 3-4 days then its because your waiting a blue screen of death. So its more likely that you are running a system that is over powered for what you use it for. Otherwise you'd notice the difference in up-time on a MS desktop. Hell, even high end core routers need to be restarted on occassion.

 And jeez man, this is gotta be the only place on the intertubes that peeps conviently *forget* about the MS exec memo's about vista... and did you do that network registry hack yet, to take off the artificial network speed cap? yeah... that kinda user, are you? I mean, really... vista fan-boys in here... MS hated the product, and refer to it as a stepping stone to something better. Their current CEO made a point to bad mouth it in his interview for wired magazine. If yoru macs are issues, more so than the macs, then you need a new IT department.

 ...Most unix-flavours wouldn't consider 3 days without a restart as a check mark in the 'pro' category of your list either, man. Most unix flavours do not restart more than one a year if that. And fewer of either mac or unix flavoured users need to un-hamstring their systems (if even if they are over priced and/or underpowered). BUT they also tend to need a lot of know-how and are limited in range of ready made applications.

All the OS options at the moment suck, imho. You grab what works best for your individual needs vs. skills and hope for the best. But really... vista fanboy ism?

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publicimage

My point stands. This thread is not about memory leaks, but about Apple's lie campaign. Apple's advertising would have you believe that Macs never crash and Windows *always* does. I have experience to the contrary. And it must be because I am a Vista fanboy? I am now running Vista for seven days continuously without a restart... not to be spiteful, not because I am out to prove something, but it simply *is*. However editing video, working in Photoshop and playing DX10 games is "underpowered" and not a true test of Vista as an OS? Can someone suggest something that would be a test then?

Network registry hack? Never heard of it. MS exec memo? Didn't know about it. Restart Vista? Haven't for seven days.

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nekollx

let's see the last time restarted Vista was friday.

 

But then again I'm in the Champions Online Beta, and as we all should know Beta code is prone to massive memory leaks.

 

but when not beta tesating, while running photoshop, watching fan subbed toku, oh...

 

and renderering full on CGI in Daz Studio, ive gone over a week without reeboot

 

While running 48 hour long renders, on and off battery and in and out of sleep mode on my Vista Laptop....

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johnny3144

vista is hell lot nicer to me compare to OS X...

softwares will always be flawed, especially OS, but i won't say they suck, it's a process of improving.

vista have being very nice to me for the past 2 years, so i am not sure why everybody hates it.

 

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n0ctis

Are they realy still on the virus soapbox? OS-X is mostly virus free not because of security superiority, but because of poor marketshare. Why write virii that can't spread exponentially? The more Apple gains marketshare in the PC market, the more malware it will be introduced to.

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LVmonkey

Yah, but its also their strongest arguement with the common non-computer folk and their rise in marketshare shows its working. Most "non-computer" types think that they are their worst enemy to their computers. There's a real fear, there.

I can totally see them continuing pushing their strength (regardless of how they managed to get that advantage, it is still and advantage).

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johnny3144

util they buy a mac and found out the OS is a virus it self ;p

here is what happen to me once. i took my 4GB USB drive to copy some files to a Mac running OS X. after i was done with the file, i dragged the 1.3GB file to recycle bin. ok job done, time to move on? no. when i put my USB disk on another mac, 1.3GB was missing on my USB disk.. huh? what? how? i put it into a PC, the 1.3GB is still missing. i ended up have to format my USB drive to recover the missing space.

it wasn't that big of a deal, but just inconvient and annoying. mac's commercial have failed to be truthful even once... i didn't hate mac before the commercial(thought they look pretty neat), i prob won't hate mac over this little USB thing either if their commercial didn't BS about their product. OS X and macs are full of flaws, but they just can't admit it and correct it openly. PC may have problems, but it's also good at correcting it. AT LEAST PREMIERE *BEEP* SAVES WHEN IT CRASHS!

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leok123

I've noticed at all the electronic/computer shows that the high end designers and other professionals are using MacBook Pros. Most of the professional video and photo editors are using Macs. This I know for a fact since I'm in that group.

I use both but I find the Macs are leaps and bounds beyond PCs in regards to intensive programming and video editing. I find PCs are better for gaming and casual use...which is what the majority of people use them for. They both use the same processors so I guess the difference is in the programming.

I guess I fail to see why people get so worked up over who has the biggest tool!  If you're happy with your PC, great! If you love Mac, more power to you! Both systems work and both are reliable.

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dracx619

this is the one thing that fries my button. why in the heck is it that people think macs are the defacto platform to use for any creative business? 

windows machines are fully capable of running any creative app from video and photo editing, to magazine layout, vector manipulation, and audio mixing and design.

i know this cause i spent my college career working with adobe cs3 and a butt load of other programs to do all my projects on my trusty custom pc. let me tell ya, i had a lot less headaches than the fools in our studio using our macs. the only reason i still dealt with them was cause i was lead station TA and productions manager so i had to help students (and the prof) whenever they jacked something up or when the macs spat up and died.

so i honestly dont know why these people think they need macs. ive been in the creative field for nearly 10 years now and ive experienced (personally and with others) more crashes on macs than windows based projects.

whatever, let these d-bags spend thousands on computer hardware while i use that money i save to buy production equipment :P  

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LVmonkey

I don't think it is any more. You can't autoCAD on a MAC. How many CGI companies would use a non SLI system? Not used for the signage industry either, they have corel-esk propreitary software...

It used to be that way because mac's had better screens. That is no longer the case.

In fact, the difference in GPU power is huge on a pc to a mac. I have spoken to architechs and graphic designers and the old conventions have very much changed. PC's are the way to go for everything graphics now, right down to the proprietary Corel-ish looking software used to make large banners and signs. Even most print shops I've seen.

Macs are no where in sight except for peeps that have extra cash and are taken in by the style or need simplicity. Great for desktops for the non-computer inclined or those that do not need the extra power but no-here in the feild for serious graphical anything, as far as i've seen.

It used to be that SGI was also the go-to for serious 3d stuff...but they are gone now too... i REALLY doubt Apple is filling that void.

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GreenTurtle

I record and edit my recorded music on my PC rig and never had a problem, then laugh my ass off at my friend when he calls me for MAC tech support. LOL!!!

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teh 1337 haxxor

If you're not retarded, then avoiding a virus is pretty easy.

The trick: stop looking at that pr0n, and don't click those rapidshare links on 4chan...

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MarioJP

I am a vista user and all i can say it is going 2 years strong 2 years long and havent had a crash or viruses ever since i installed it. Furthermore my system is overclocked and using aircooling. It even survives on the hottest days in summer, though i do worry about the temps when its a hot day but it keeps going strong. Not a single crash.

 

I have 8GB of ram DDR2 quad core processor overclocked up to 3.3ghz. all this at a price of 1500 + tax. Very happy with my build. With that said i could careless about apple commercials.

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jvc08

i dont like apple, but i like their commercials.

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K0BALT

Your PC will only get viruses and crash if you're retarded and don't know how to use it. If you download and click on everything you see, then you deserve whatever happens after that. I"VE BEEN A PC my whole life and have never had an issue. Maybe they should show the stupid soccer mom or 85 year old grandmother using a computer clicking on shit and f-ing up their systems in a tv commercial. Educate yourself before getting a computer people.

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webgrunt

Apple is really getting desperate.  They have no actual advantage over PCs yet cost more, so in order to avoid going bankrupt due to laco of sales, they propagate the myths that PCs are crash-prone and always getting viruses.  I've been using XP ever since it came out on three PCs at home and two at work, and I have never been hit by as virus, and haven't had crashes either. 

Apple is making a purely emotional appeal:  PC users are portrayed as stodgy, inept, bumbling, old-fashioned, uptight, arrogant, out of style and unrealistically clinging to an obsolete platform; while Mac users are intelligent, cool, hip, fashionable, nice people and are open to new and better things.

 

I was thinking these commercials were insulting to PC users, but I have re-thought it.  What kind of people are most likely to be swayed by the kind of inane emotional appeal used in these commercials?  Those more interested in their own image and style rather than substance.  The commercials, aimed at potential Mac users, are actually more of an insult to the Mac users themselves!

 

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LVmonkey

but i don't run a mac either.

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jihnn

if you say something often enough and loud enough, people will believe

make me laugh while you are saying it and i will support you

of course mac's cost more, they use better components  and we all know they just work better

i believe if i had a mac it would actually do my work for me  thus making my life easier 

mac  ftw

lest i forget i need to mention the little apple  insignia, it's so cute, just makes me happy

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halo1ftw

better components? hahahahahahah oh you were serious. you do know every component they use in macbooks , imacs, and mac pros is on the market to use for pc's and many oem pc's have the same components as macs only much cheaper. they might work better for you but i dont agree and i am a gamer so no mac forr me.

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jihnn

my comment was about marketing with satire

 

guess you are to much of a fanboy to get it

marketing is like, if i tell people you are dumb and i keep it up for a long time... some will come to believe it, whether you are or not.

not saying you are, just pushing a point, if apple keeps telling the world that their computers are better, easier to work and are made of better parts, there will be some that actually believe it.

 

even if they really do not have a clue as to why

 

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tonymus

"of course mac's cost more, they use better components  and we all know they just work better"

Try telling that to my sister-in-law, who had to bring back her new MacBook after one month....

Face it, PCs and Macs (I know, Macs ARE PCs, so are Amigas, Timex-Sinclairs, etc., but Apple insists on the distinction, and who am I to argue with them?) use the same damn parts built by the same damn companies in China.  Are Macs engineered better?  Possibly, but that's debatable (the iMac is one of the least green computers ever designed, LCD or motherboard goes bad, you throw away both).  Are they worth the large price differential?  Doubtful, as recent unit sales are reflecting...

 

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QuadCoreAbe

I think that women (symbolic of all mac users) lives in a world that always has a white background, where everyone can afford extremely overpriced computers, and where you only get to choose between Justin Long or an old bag. Of course in this scenario, the choice is obvious. Apple went past the point again. Maybe one day, they will make a commercial with real people living in a real world and then realize how ridiculous their claims are.

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colinjm0517

I must admidt, mac os x is good, but macs themselves aren't worth half of what they charge. Macs are extremely expensive. although Mac os x doesn't have blue screens, it still has kernel panics and still crashes. Macs also still get viriuses, although they are rare. I like the physical design of Macs and the design of Mac os x, just not the price tag.

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Havok

 Just build a hackintosh for like a third of the price of one macbook.

 

OMGWTFBBQ

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whiplash55

again, what else is new. As usual its full of the same bullshit their ads have featured for some time. Macs have the least stable and antiquated file system, and they crash frequently. I used them until 10.5.3 and though I like a lot of things about the OS their hardware is overpriced and over hyped and just not worth the expense.

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LatiosXT

And they're using the same reasons as in every other generation of these commercials. Which these commercials were based upon problems of the old DOS based Windows. And Mac "just works"? Then how come the locked down (as in you have to really try to break it) ones in my libraries computer lab failed to start? I was staring at a black gray screen for minutes... and the only reason why I was using it was the hope that the darned thing had gcc (which of course isn't on a Mac by default).

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ferds7

Obviously you missed the past election. There was no substance in that just as there are no substance in these commercials. Well Macs are expensive and from personal use Macs have crashed on me a lot more which is not very good for the Mac OS considering I use it much less and for less intensive work so it has far fewer chances to crash.

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schmitty6633

PWND

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dag1992

PWND?  Hardly, my Windows machine doesn't crash and magically doesn't have any viruses.  I blame ignorant users on both sides.

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rjcouture1

Before OS X macs users were just as prone to viruses as the pc.

They had a very large selection of games for awhile but lets not forget the mac were also very big for newspaper and graphics design, just as the fallen amiga was used largely in broadcasting and for a well known television series Babalon 5.

Even *nix based computers have crash handlers, after all if they didn't how would you convey to your user what the problem was.

Now we can all agree that there be deception to what apple says but I believe that if they are flat out lying and it can be proven then I think there are laws out there that would stop there marketing campaign in it's tracks.

 

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schmitty6633

wtf are you babbling about. 99% of viruses are for the PC

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nekollx

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/03/28/mac_hack/

 

 brand-new MacBook Air running a fully patched version of Leopard was the first to fall in a contest that pitted the security of machines running OS X, Vista and Linux. The exploit took less than two minutes to pull off. 

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billcipp

Let's face it.  The world belongs to a Windows based PC.  Mac would like to be there, but isn't.  In 2008 Mac's percentage of sales in the US were less than 10%.  If you are in business than chances are you are using a Windows PC.  This means you probably have one at home as well.  The reason there are more virus attacks on a Windows PC is due to the fact that one virus can attack over 80% of the market share if it is aimed at a Windows based OS.   If you are a hardened crimininal with intent of doing harm which would you choose to attack? 

And if you want to get techinical PC stands for "Personal Computer", so the Mac is a PC as well!  That begs the question; why does the Mac character refer to the Windows character as PC?

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jigbobby

Apple is going to continue to frame Microsoft as "PC" because then Microsoft looks guilty for every flaw in a complete computer rather than just the OS. Why Microsoft doesn't counter this amazes me. They make themselves responsible for the crappiest cheap computers built by the guy on the corner lot. And then they let Apple take credit for running Windows under Boot Camp!!! Why don't they target Mac users under some kind of "Windows is better on your Mac" campaign. They need to get a new ad department. I use both systems and I have to say I'm impressed with Windows 7. I deliberately abused it even during install and has not crashed yet. However Microsoft is doomed fighting these Mac-PC ads until they re-shape them into Apple OS - Microsoft OS. That might be tough but it would be fair. Let HP or Dell do the heavy lifting.

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crzdcarney

I use Windows, OSX, and ocassionally a live linux disc.  They all work, they all crash, they all need to be updated frequently.  I think the commercials are funny, but hell if windows didnt break i would be jobless and homeless.  If MAC ever takes over the market, then every one will attack it and we will see its over priced, buggy, and prone to viruses/spyware as is anything that is popular.   I have an ipod as well as an iphone, i have had windows mobile phones and blackberries, they all crash too!  I think they keep their price high so they can brag about having less problems, no one tries to break them!  Plus you can only install the OS on their equipment, (besides the new article about hackintosh) which limits the risk and limits the "crashing".  You can install windows on anything, if a toaster had a hard drive it could run windows, and yes it would burn your house down eventually or at least your toast.  They do not limit what it can be installed on, so the risks are limitless but the benefits are limitless as well.   But still as long as this mag is out, most of us reading it depend on these things breaking to make a living haha.

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linkmaster6

Just remember Justin long will help "DRAG YOU TO HELL"

 

 

 

 

psst movie reference to Drag me to Hell

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unixfool

Come on, you know at least half of you have an iPod in your pocket...hahaha.

When I see more Macs infected, I'll believe more of this FUD.  I use Windows, Linux, and OS X.  Each have their uses.  When I see less Windows machines prone to compromise, I'll preach about it more.  If it weren't for the fact that there aren't too many mainstream games running on non-Windows systems, I'd have stopped using Windows long ago.  MS makes good software but their security is horrible.  Windows products are like prostitutes...there's high potential that the OS will get infected by something.  Now, if you're competent, you're going to have less issues.  This doesn't include gramma and grampa.  Windows is high maintenance, IMO.  You'll put a ton of work to get a good solid and less promiscuous system.  That's OK, until you start using other OSs and see how the other OSs work...

For those who're saying 'ignorance is bliss, that may be, but you can't knock an OS that you haven't tried.  If you understand more than just Windows, you'll be able to make better judgements, if you're unbiased.

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Caboose

 I sold my iPod years ago because I was tired of being forced to use iTunes and have a sub-par MP3 player.

The iPod isn't so much of an MP3 player anymore. It's now become a status symbol. If you don't have an iPod, you're not cool! Look at movies, TV shows, commercials, heck even draws. You'll see the iPod everywhere, and because of that if you don't have an iPod you're just some poor little kid who's not cool! I can proudly say that I do not own, nor will I ever own (unless I have no choice) an Apple product.

 

-= I don't want to be dead, I want to be alive! Or... a cowboy! =-

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Havok

 I have a creative labs mp3 player that does everything an ipod does, but with a larger screen and with removable/expandable memory to boot!

and i love the red vs blue references.

 

OMGWTFBBQ

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colinjm0517

 You know, your're right. Apple products are a bit of a status symbol (highly over priced though)

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unixfool

I use mine because I like it.  It is intuitive and a well-thought-out product.  I could care less if it is a status symbol...to me, it is a tool and a good one at that.  The only time I use Itunes is to sync my music and to get firmware updates (I've the iPhone, actually).  It is kinda funny reading why people hate Apple.  I could understand if there was somthing fundamentally wrong with their products.  They're expensive, but there's a reason:  good products with good support will cost you.  Some people buy BMWs and Mercedes' because they think they're being faddish...but they are awesome cars with good build quality...same with Apple products.  Dells and such don't compare.   Now if I were a fanboy, I'd have thrown out my PCs a long time ago.  I'm not that much of a fan as much as a user that loves tools...they are tools.

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colinjm0517

 Don't get me wrong, I love Apple, just not their prices. And by the way I am a Mac and a PC

Thank god for the OSx86 project and x86-64

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LVmonkey

i was plannign on buying a creative labs mp3 player about 2 yrs ago and a friend told me the horror story he went through with his... so i bought an ipod classic. It crashes and has occassional issues, and iTunes is a total pain (with 230gb of music to handle) but overall its been a good ride with it.

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maniacm0nk3y

After the first 3 or 4 way back when I got tired of them. They were really funny but then went too far.

In my time using computers, from being a little kid with Windows 3.1 (my parents had one from the past) to 95, 98, 2000, ME, and XP I have never had more then 1 or 2 crashes on each, and it was because of the littlest thing. After building my own computer I can say Windows is not crash prone. These Apple ads are pathetic.

 

 

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