Apple To Surpass HP As Top PC Vendor In 2012? Depends On How You Look At Things

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Eoraptor

I think that we can all agree that a "PC" is a device which has dedicated input devices, (be it a laptop keyboard or a key/mouse desktop) and is capable of running large, resident programs and storing large resident files all locally. Hence it is "personal" not "remote." By that definition, iOS is not a PC. it's a companion to a PC, whether you want to call that a tablet, a media device, or an ultra-portble.

Netbooks kind of ride this line, since they have their own dedicated input devices and full OS, but often are not capable of playing a lot of "resident" programs or games. The same is true of Google's "chromebook" or the listed "windows tablets" like Asus 121. There will always be crossover type devices, but in general, no, an iPad does not count as a PC, and this study is just marketing BS to get us all talking about Apple again. And that's the last i have to say on the issue.

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excellentjim

Agreed.

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bling581

People that are saying that it falls under the definition of a PC aren't really living in the modern times. It doesn't matter what the definition says, but rather how the term "PC" is recognized and what people associate it with. I bet there's a lot of people that don't even know what "PC" stands for, but if you asked them to show you a PC they'd point out your standard desktop computer. The definition is old and out of date, get over it.

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bling581

I don't care how you define "personal computer", a tablet is NOT a PC. It is in the mobile device category along with smart phones. I saw an article about the same thing on another website and all the Mac boys were trying argue how an iPad was a PC. When it can play Crysis I'll consider it a PC.

This is just a move to get Apple some more headlines in the media.

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Engelsstaub

Your definition of PC is also, at best, marginal. I personally agree that a tablet is not really a PC (my opinion,) but saying a PC has to run Cysis is even more extreme and worthy of ridicule.

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bling581

Sorry if you didn't get the humor, but the Crysis comment was mostly a joke. But really, if it can't install software via some type of drive then I don't view it as a PC.

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excellentjim

Although I agree that Tablets are not PC's, what do we call the Asus EP121?  It's a 12 inch tablet running Windows 7.  It has all the parts of Mid-level laptop and can run almost any Windows based program.  With a core-i5 processor and 4Gb of ram, it sure sounds like a PC to me.  That does not solve the issue with Apple, but should be considered in the discussion of Tablet vs PC.

Thanks

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qu3becker

So, now a Mac is a PC? For several years. apple marketed themselves as a not a PC.

Anyway, I think they should only count the PC as devices with a keyboard, mouse, and must run on Windows, Linux and MacOS. Otherwise, we could count the Xbox 360, Wii, Playstation 3, HDTV with special software, Blu-Ray and DVD player, smartphones and tablets,.. in those numbers.

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big_montana

Just because a tablet can perform some of the function sof a PC does not make it one, my old Palm Pilot could perform PC related functions, but I do not consider it a personal computer. Nor should any vendors tablets, HP and Lenovo included, be considered PC's. Try crunching an Access database or running Adobe CS5 on an iPad or Android tablet. You cannot, therefor tablets are not PC's, as my laptop can run both applications just fine. If a device cannot duplicate everything my PC can do, then it i snot a PC, period, end of story, as I will still need a second device to perform those functions.

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limitbreaker

Ipads can't be a PC because "pc=personal computer" and we all know when you buy a iphone/ipad that apple has more control of how you use it than you do and kinda makes it a Non Personal Computer. so yeah... ipads are "N"PC

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pcguy94

Guys, get your definition of personal computer straight.  A personal computer is a computer that is intended for use by one person.  Furthermore, a computer is is a programmable designed to sequentially and automatically carry out a sequence of arithmetic or logical operations.

Under this definition, a tablet is a personal computer.  Phones as well.  Even mp3 players are personal computers!

 

 

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big_montana

You need to get your definition straight as well, as my old Palm Pilot could do everything in your definition, but I do not consider it a personal computer. Nor should any vendors tablets, HP and Lenovo included, be considered PC's. Try crunching an Access database or running Adobe CS5 on an iPad or Android tablet. You cannot, therefor, you fail with your definition and attempt to lump tablets under the PC label, as my laptop can run both applications just fine.

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w2ed

Under your definition, computers built 10-15 years ago would not be PC's - You might get lucky with Access, but the best you may hope is CS2-CS3 on those.  What format, program, or operating system you use doesn't matter - how it works does.  What goes on inside a tablet PC is exactly the same as an MP3 Player, smartphone, DVD or Blu-Ray Player, streaming device, video game system, and computer - while we're not going to lump a lot of that in with a PC, you do a lot more with a tablet or smartphone than most of those, and what you do is very close to what you do on a PC (albiet limitted by the software at the moment.)

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big_montana

For one, there was not CS2 or 3, as CS came out 8 years ago. So get real with your so called analogy. At least I am comparing current gen hardware with current apps, not 10 year old equipment. 10 year old PC's were and still are PC's. Tablets are not, as they cannot replaced my desktop or laptop and replace their function, that is the true definition of a PC. And like you stated, tablets are closer to MPs players and smartphones then they are PC's. If it cannot duplicate what my PC/laptop can do in it's entirety, then it is not a PC

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super_duper

Okay so lets take it from a different angle. On a PC you can run scripts, batch files, and other things depending on your OS. These are very basic user created files that ANY pc can perform and cannot be executed on MP3 players, DVD players, video game consoles and etc. The fact that the ipad does not have a user accessible file directory makes it a non-pc = a non programmable device. Yes you can add applications and create a spreadsheet, but in the end your not programming!

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livebriand

Does a smartphone count as a PC? Because a tablet IS an oversized smartphone. Personally, I feel that those tablets running Android, iOS, etc, are not PCs.

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X2brute

Personal: Intended for use by one person, computer: an electronic device designed to accept data, perform perscribed mathmatical and logical operations at high speed, and display the results of these operations. an ipod is a pc, so is my watch. I dont think they should be grouped together for the purpose of analasis. i also think apple has a good thing going. i dont like ios but i respect its ability to sell

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vistageek

Agreed. A PC is a device that can play Flash content.

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majorsuave

We should state that a PC is a device that can play Flash content

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w2ed

Define PC.

If you define PC as something that runs Windows or Linux, then the report is grossly inaccurate - not that I wouldn't welcome an emulation or some other way of Windows or Linux on an iPad, but I seriously doubt that will happen anytime soon.

If you define a PC as something you can customize, then the report is wrong - even if you can add peripherals to the Dock connector, you can't customize the computer too much, and you definitely can't add any other OS without major hacking.

If you define a PC as something you can program, then the report is grossly inaccurate - sure, you can program an Android or iPad tablet, but you need to do it on a PC or Mac to do that on at the moment.

If you define a PC by the input Device, then you are wrong - the insides of a tablet are similar (Not exactly the same) to a PC, and they all work the same - there is an operating system with a file system underneath for storage, and while a touchscreen is different from a keyboard and mouse, you're still able to interact with it in a similar way.

Think about it this way:  How would you define the Windows 8 tablets that will be coming out soon?  Would those be considered PC's or tablets?  After all, they still use the same operating system, albeit on a different architecture.

My thoughts:  A tablet's a PC, in a different format.  Give it a few years and you might even be programming and doing things you still need a PC for right now.

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firefox91

Canalys is obviously wrong since an iPad is not computer. Then again, after what Gartner did to my company, I wouldn't trust their word any farther than I could throw them.

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Morete

Why don't researchers just keep it simple and compare desktops to desktops, laptops to laptops and handheld devices to handheld devices. 

Although this article is in reference to digital devices, why don't we throw in analog "devices" as well for good measure.  The human brain is a biological PC, because the intraparietal sulcus (IPS) computes numbers in analog. 

I wish we could bring back the days where there were absolutes instead of everything being considered relevant.  Somewhere we lost the score.

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kiaghi7

Ummmm... No...

 

PC's have some 95% market share, that's Windows... IF you want to be really technical, PC's have quite literally (effectively) 100% market share, because the chief competitors Linux and Apple (in order of their market share at 3% and 2% respectively) BOTH are using PC hardware as well... They just use a differing OS on that hardware... The arguably insignificant fraction of NON-PC hardware out there is so miniscule as to not even make an entire percentage point and are typically relegated to purpose-built and singular purpose machines used in major operations, very atypically are they seen as Personal Computers.

 

There is no such thing as "apple hardware" anymore, there hasn't been for a VERY long time (in computer terms), and all modern Apples are nothing but a PC running an Apple OS...

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Eoraptor

yeah, tablets are nice, but they ARE NOT PC's. I have yet to see a tablet device that  I can play skyrim, write a 150,000 word novel on, process digital Xrays, or run CAD designs on. (no, i'm not running Xrays at home, but I do do the rest)

If we follow this logic, then we also have to lump in smart phones, which are really 6just tablets with smaller screens and full GMA radios. and by that measure, companies like motorola or LG suddenly start to blow apple and hp and so forth out of the water.

Apple is the world's top retailer of Apple devices; that's like saying Ford is the biggest retailer of Ford vehicles. I'm not going to knock apple for their products any more than I klnock Ford for their cars and trucks. But I darned sure will call bullshit when I see it.

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richeemxx

Apple and Apple friendly analysts have to skew the numbers to make it look like Apple is more relevant in the PC market than they are. If you are going to count an iPad or any other tablet device as a PC then you'd also have to count laptops and pretty much any other computing devices HP and others sale. They won't do that though because then Apple doesn't seem as relevant.

Its great to see Apple doing the business they are doing and making a mark in the market. Now how about we see some new innovation over here instead of another "refresh" of their almost 5y/o product.

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lindethier

Exactly!

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AntonioGarrison

I think I just fell in love with your words and opinion.  ^_^

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t.y.wan

Nice keyboard and mouse you got there, very useful for both work and leisure. (wink wink)

They are called tablets for a reason, smart people ^.^"

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acidic

i agree that tablets are useless, i mean not PCs but they gotta make the sheep feel as if they are actually making a difference somehow. apple just hit a 15 year high of a whopping 5% marketshare yet their sheep act as if they are in the 95 percentile.

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Holly Golightly

For now, tablets should NOT be counted as PCs since well... They are not PCs. They use mobile OSs made by Blackberry, Google and Apple. I think when Windows 8 is released, it will be harder to differentiate what a PC can do verses what a tablet can do since they are both running on the same exact operating system. At some point you will have to count tablets as a PC, just not right now. None of today's tablets can you install a regular program like you can do on a PC, Mac or Linux... They work like giant cellphones. So right now, tablets are not PCs, but next year, we will say that tablets are PCs. Just wait for Windows 8 to change our minds.

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Eoraptor

I think a lot of people are over-estimating what Windows 8 is going to bring to the table. I've been using the Developer Preview and looking at the news feeds on what is supposedly going to be in the beta in January. Windows 8 is not magically going to turn an ARM or Cortex powered tablet device into a PC.

And it's going to piss a lot of people off when they buy their fancy Windows 8 tablets which have full desktops on them, and find out that it takes a big steaming dump the first time they try to run full microsoft office on their maxIpads.

Unless the next tegra and cortex chips make quantum leaps in their abilities to proccess full screen graphics and hard number crunching of large resident programs, shoe horning Windows 8 onto a tablet is gonna be a revisit of the "Vista-Ready" debacle.

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Holly Golightly

Perhaps so... I do not know.

But what about tablets running on the Intel or AMD platform? Clearly these processors are already on netbooks. They are fully versitile, plus let us not underestimate the latest Nvidia quadcore processor for tablets. It should be able to handle simple tasks like Microsoft Office.

That developers pack of Windows 8 is not the full complete edition. It comes with its' kinks and should be ironed out by the time of launch. I highly doubt Windows 8 will be a repeat of Vista. I feel it will be a revolutionary leap like Windows 95 once was.

I think my Windows 8 tablet will run on an AMD APU. Or atleast that is what I prefer. It will only be a matter of time, but I really think there will be something special regards to Windows 8 tablets running on Intel/AMD with 128GB of storage. I can also picture them being very expensive.

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livebriand

The thing is, the metro UI SUCKS for use on a regular desktop or laptop, which most people have. I tried it in a vm and very quickly found myself looking for a registry hack to disable it.

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avenger48

For once, I agree with your assesment.  Well reasoned and well phrased.

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Holly Golightly

Thanks :)

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