Apple Sees Strongest Growth As The Ranks Of The Top US PC Manufacturers Shift

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Morpheus22

I'd rather build my own PC and install Linux and/or Win7.

Probably never buy another Mac, but maybe an ipod or ipad.-

Macs are too expensive for my budget and PCs you can build anyway you like with about any budget.

 

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jackal49

This sounds like the old PS2 vs. Gamecube vs. Xbox.  Or more recenly PS3 vs. Wii vs. Xbox 360.  Remember all the publicty hounding over who shipped more consoles?  Does it really matter how many units have shipped?  We all see computers lining the shelves and collecting dust at our retailers of choice.

I want to know how many have SOLD!  I understand the validity of shipment quantities.  They are a viable metric to somewhat assess the market.  However, an item shipped does not equal an item sold.

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hammeredtoast

9% share now. Wow. Wicked that every girl in college owns one, but no one else I know.

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gordonung

Keep in mind that PC sales are coming off of a 20 percent growth spike for the first half of 2010. IDC even cites the previous spike as one of the possible causes of the flatter growth this quarter. Most of the growth is in emerging markets but US, Europe and Japan have been fairly flat. That's likely due to the continuing lingering cold from the Great Recession, instabaliites in Greece, etc. etc. Keep in mind, there will likely be 400 million x86 chips sold for the year. Probably 90 percent of them will be in PCs.

Medavid16: There is a price you pay for legacy support and freedom. The PC offers superb legacy support and freedom to do what you want. When you have a sliver of the market share and you're willing to just throw all of your legacy developers and legacy users overboard/under the bus/off the train/out the airlock/ every few years, it does make things cleaner. 

I also think you're looking at things through rose colored glasses too. Go to Bing or Google and search for the phrase for the phrase "My mac is crashing." Does it come back with 0 hits? No, it's just that on the other side of the fence, the users like to pretend that "everything sunny all the time always."

Which isn't true. It's not true at all. It's just better PR (complicit main stream media) and a pervasive perception that it's sunny all the time. Hell, I almost think a lot of the problems on the PC are because people push the tin way beyond their rated life spans. How many people are still running Pentium 4's or Pentium M notebooks from seven years ago? A hell of a lot of people. If you had a Mac from 2005, you wouldn't even be able to use it effectively because Apple has thrown you and your PowerPC overboard forcing you to buy a new Mac. I have a relative who bought a new iPhone. She tried to activate it on her Mac, but it would not work because the OS on her laptop was outdated. Genious solution: Time to upgrade Mac because the older Mac would not run the latest OS. So she went out and bought a new MacBook.

Now try to pull that crap on a PC user and you would have an open revolt with people with pitchforks and torches marching on Redmond.

And let's not even talk about the fact that you could have a quad-core x86 part with SLI'ed 8800GTX cards for gaming and the joy you got from the superior PC gaming that machine gave you.

Is everything sunny all the time always? No. But that's the price we pay for freedom on our side of the fence.

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Engelsstaub

It's too early for me to comment on the longevity of my MBP from a hardware perspective, but I've had no crashing thus far. Still boots in like twenty-five seconds and shuts down in five to ten.

I can say that I haven't had to replace the DVD drive, as I have my '08 Gateway's out of the box, because of stupid issues with Windows Media Player and driver-issues that the PC manufacturers never resolve even in warranty. (My brother got a nasty-looking disc stuck in his Mac Mini's slot-loading drive. He should've known better, but Apple said they'd help him get it out @ no charge if he brought it in to an Apple Store...even though it's not in warranty anymore.) I haven't had the sound card issues or the backlight bleed that I currently have with my $2300 Alienware m15x. Dell refuses to acknowledge the horrible sound issues even though there are threads-upon-threads devoted to it. Their answer was to discontinue the m15x and to hell with their paying customers.

I know plenty of people still using legacy hardware from both PC manufacturers and Apple. I don't think people would have a fun time running an OS newer than XP on the PC side of that. I think people hold on to old Powerbooks simply because they paid a bit too much for them. Apple does not tend to support OS versions as long as Microsoft has. I believe the popularity of XP had a bit to do with MS not burying it sooner...IDK.

A lot of Apple's customer-base are brand-loyal like people who only buy certain makes of automobiles. PC makers need to provide a level of customer service that would engender the same sort of "cult." If I could trust the likes of HP or Dell after giving them my hard-earned money, I'd give them all another chance.

Again, I literally had to replace the drive on my Gateway laptop for it to function properly. I replaced it with one from a friend's busted HP laptop and it worked great from there. My experience with Dell: I spent more money on that Alienware (thinking I'd get some great "high-end" PC/laptop) than I ever would have on a MBP and got it right up the poop-pipe. Never really been burned too badly by Windows itself, though. I don't hate Windows. I think 7 is pretty decent. My only real gripe is I think they should have made it a SP to Vista.

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gordonung

You are citing a problem you had with a bad DVD drive and sound card driver issues (possibly design issues I do not know) as evidence that PCs have problems. You are citing your lack of issues with your new Mac Book Pro that Apple products do not have problems. That's simply not true. All vendors have bad components that make it into their products or occasionally have design defects creep into them -- including Apple. 

Here's an anecdotal story I have from another relative. They had been using a loaner Pentium 4 box from me for a couple of years and decided to buy a Mac because they heard that Mac's do not have problems. They bought an x86 iMac. They immediately had problems with the machine not coming out of sleep. Let's just say that for the next 12 months and numerous trips to the "Genius" bar, they could not resolve it. At every family event I would see them and they would piss and moan about this damned iMac that they bought which would crash coming out of sleep and deep six their data from the last session. After gods know how long, Apple finally decided to replace the iMac. The file from the visits to the genious bar looked like a phone book by now. Their replacement iMac has not had any issues that I know of (although I no longer ask) but they had a pretty sour experience with their iMac and the "Genius" bar. Will they buy another Mac to replace this iMac? And, no, I am not making this up. This is an anecdotal story. What does it prove? The only thing it proves is that Mac's have problems and Apple's service can be as frustrating as any "manufacturer" these days. 

Do a Google or Bing search on Mac bad screen, Mac bad notebook, Mac bad motherboard and you'll see that Apple has had similar design issues with hardware with the solution often being to push the end users overboard. Or look at the problem with the Powerbook 5300. My friend had one of those and it was a disaster. 

The difference between PC users and Mac users is that PC users know when they're getting jacked. You had a problem with your Alienware. Are you going to buy another one? Now, if your Mac Book Pro has a problem are you going to go back to the mothership? On the PC side, the customer walks with his or her money. On the Mac side, the customers have no where to go and simply "fix" the problem by buying a new Mac. I'm sorry, but that makes no sense to me as a consumer. When I get jacked, I like to make it pretty clear to the company that it just lost a customer.

As far as legacy support: I don't know anyone running a PowerPC Mac anymore because there is no support. OS 10.5 dropped support for PowerPC G3 and G4 (below 867MHz) machines in 2007. By 2009, Apple dropped support for PowerPC G5 in 10.6. The PowerPC G5's were made as recently as 2006. So those who bought brand-new, very expensive dual processor G5 Macs were airlocked within three years.

Let's look at that on the PC side. Believe it or not, I still run an IBM (not Lenovo) ThinkPad T60, circa 2006. That machine is five years old. I run Windows 7 and just upgraded it to a Merom Core 2 Duo from its Yonah Core Duo chip and am in the middle of moving to Windows 7 64-bit. There is full driver support for Lenovo for this five year old notebook.

I have installed Windows 7 on a circa 2004 Prescott Pentium 4 notebook and it works fine because Win7 can run an single-core Atoms and does work on machines made for XP. Not modern performance but it works. And here's the difference -- you have the freedom to make that decision. You're not airlocked by Apple because Apple doesn't care about legacy hardware or users. They'd rather just have you go away.

There are crazy rumors that Apple will shift its computers to ARM. I frankly don't believe it but knowing Apple's track record it's not impossible. Apple moving to ARM would mean that x86 users would be thrown out the airlock along with the Moto 68K, PowerPC. 

My point in all of this is that people need to stop drinking the Flavor Aid -- all vendors put out poo on occasion, let's stop this nonsense that Apple is perfection. It's just a lie.

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Jasker

Ha!  I'm still running a Socket 939 Dual-Core Opteron, but with a 5830 (upgraded from 8800 GTS 512 when the ATI card went to 100$).  Still plays the few games I've run, Mass Effect, Kings Bounty:TL, Company of Heroes.  I don't play new games because I have a family (one I don't ignore) and bills.

 

I'm sure Acer can blame their decline on shoddy quality.  I bought my now fiancee an Acer 4530 2 years back.  Talk about garbage, runs hot as hell without the performance justification and every few months I have to wipe it because the touchpad stops working.  A friend also owns one that overheats and shuts itself down.  I won't buy another.

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lindethier

^ Pretty much sums it up.

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SeverianSilk

Very true. The majority of PCs I get for repair are 4+ years old. Best part about it, if you know what you're doing, you can still get one of those guys up and running pretty smoothly. The old macs I've worked on are nothing but a complete pain in the ass. Funny thing is, as Apple market share increases, we're beginning to see a lot more Apple products come in. Hardware on those shits fails quite a bit. At least with PCs, the majority are virus problems. Easy fix.

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BLACKCELL

sooo true, and to think someone got mad @ me and asked why would my company mod a MAC when they thought it was perfect.....yes I loled @ them but I woudl still like to, and post it up all over the place just to see If the appl camp would send a court order my way!!!

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medavid16

I hate to admit it and I used to be a super PC fanboy... but I have to say Apple has a smoother experience overall... and at the end of the day, I think that's what counts. A computer works the way it's suppose to work.

I used to rock a Q6600 watercooled 8800gtx sli'd beast, I've done the old school 386sx, 486dx (remember that?) dealing with ISA bus, etc etc. But lots of crashes and tweaking. But even after stabilizing it all, poor coding, or OS instabilities, drivers etc. crashes or incompatibilities. Then changing to Linux a few times and what not, device drivers blah.

But to make my point, I think that's where Apple's succeded. Closing the loop, so there's no kid developing some code that makes ur system unstable. No interchanging hardware to find out there's a mismatch either setting wise or driver wise. It just works.

Let's admit it, even after all the customizing, crashing/instablity lingers our minds. That's where Apple reigns... not that it's a superior hardware, but the end experience is, it just works. 

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avenger48

It's been 4 months since I've had a crash of any sort on my OC'd SLI'd rig (the last was because I went too high on my CPU OC, I dialed it back).  Said rig runs Windows 7 x64, and has an overclock of 35% on the CPU (2.8-3.8 GHz), 33% on the GPU Cores (both 675-900 MHz), 19% on the GPU Memory (1.8-2.15 GHz), and a whopping 50% on the system RAM (1066-1600 MHz, same CAS latency, looser timings, more volts), so not exactly the most modest overclocks.  I'm not entirely sure what sort of crashing and instability you've experienced, but between the lastest hardware and Windows 7, it's pretty minimal now.  If you build your system, it's pretty easy to do research and figure out what your compatibility issues may be before you buy.

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Dartht33bagger

I've had more problems with the Apple computers at my old school than I ever have with one of my home PC's.

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TerribleToaster

I smell some antitrust lawsuits on the way.

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