Apple Ready to Pounce Windows 7 with "Get a Mac" Commercials

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zoing7

And windows 7 did resonate very well.  The problem with the logic here is that they had to LIE or EXAGGERATE most of everything they said was bad about windows 7.  And that works in advertising, but it's not like it's the truth.  But many of their customers are so stupid they'd fall for that anyway.  And most of the targets are kids and young adults under about 27.  That's because a 40 year old would rarely fall for such a dumb commercial.  But someone 20 might.  Hey if they can get people to inhale toxic fumes and call them cigarettes, then I figure it's no different here.  But the next flaw in logic is that windows 7 was actually pretty easy to install.    But what if someone was on XP, and they were too stupid to buy a little backup drive and do some transfer and wait for a one time install?

 

Well they'd be dumb if that was their  reason to get a mac.  Why?  Because they'd still have drive to the store to get one and fork over much more.  A dummy like that could just drive to the store to buy a new windows 7 PC at 1/2 the cost and also very fast.   But it's these same hypocritical dummies that get their mac and then they read long instructions to figure out how to get boot camp going so that they can then load windows onto their macs.   LOL.  Mac users hate to admit it, but more than 1/2 of them do this.  But if we are going to attack, let's not take pot shots.  Let's use missiles.   Apple used to make fun of Intel too.  They thought their way was better.  Then one day the macs were so slow they had to change to intel.  When they did, their upgrade path was MUCH MUCH more severe and painful than it was on windows.  It left most mac users 100% stuck.  They had to get rid of their macs and their old software since it wasn't compatible on a new machine.   Showing they are just as susceptible to upgrade problems.  Or worse, they stay on an aging mac.  -- And besides.  someone who got a mac would just have to reinstall their programs anyway, lol, plus learn a whole new system, plus get all new programs for the most part.  I could go on an on, but I think it's obvious enough.  A commercial is just that.  A commercial.  Very weak sell points at best.

 

 

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Trooper_One

Wow, right on Ace! 

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Ace of Spades

The main reason Apple sells is because of the message they are trying to say to college kids and the younger kids. They secretly say, "Buy a Apple, be a cool kid since you'll have a shiny product. And its the new hip thing to do." Like most people only buy a Mac because it has a shiny case with aluminum and a shiny UI. BIG DEAL! I can get Windows XP, Vista, and of course Windows 7 and make the UI look WAY better than OS X. Shoot, my case will look better than a Macs (my case of choice: CoolerMaster Cosmo S Silver) and I'll have much more power running inside that rig than a Mac Pro and have neons.

Macs are just like exotic cars like Ferrari, Lambo, etc. While PC's are the tuners cars like a Nissan GT-R, Mazda RX-7, Toyota Supra, Suburu WRX STi, Nissan Silvia, Scion Tc, etc. Once a tuner is tuned, it'll destroy exotic cars and will be cheaper in the end too. Garage Custom is always better. Am I right, or am I right?

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DBsantos77

 Wow, so true hahaha

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dracx619

spot on ace...spot on

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NeoTifa

The only mac I'll contemplate buying is a Big Mac. (I'm a vegetarian).

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zoing7

LOL

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Apolyonn

If anyone else has noticed, Chevy is doing the exact same thing.  Chevy, as we know, is on the verge of collapse.  Does anyone else find this interesting?

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Apolyonn

What model is your motherboard power supply, and did you upgrade from Vista or perform a fresh ("custom") install?  7 installed fresh within 45 minutes on my Presario f761, same for my desktop.

 

EDIT: ...this was supposed to be a reply to the dude below whose PC took 3 hours to install 7.  How did it end up here? 

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nekollx

 man the commercials are WEAK

their ENTIRE argument is

"since you have to reinstall everything ANYWAY go with us because of our costomer service is the bestest!"

 Seriously? That's it?

That's your defense?

Please that's pathetic.

 "hey boss what do you want to do? Buy a mac and have to buy mac versions of all our apps but get great customer service...or get Windows, gers new versions of SOME of our apps, run the most of the rest in XP Mode?" 

"Uh let me think about that....Windows" 

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DriZzLe

Actually, Apple is rated # 1 in Customer Satisfaction....not Customer Service. Two TOTALLY different things. This makes their argument even weaker.
"Do you like your Mac?...Yes?...Are you satisfied with it?...Yes?"
"Do I like my custom built quad core PC?...Yes?...Am I satisfied with it?...Yes?" See...that really means jack crap.
Apple is lame with these pathetic commercials. Why not tell me WHY a Mac is better. What innovations make it better? What features make it better?...they haven't got anything to say on that. I think THAT speaks volumes...

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nekollx

 Least you got my point, the comercials are just so pathetically weak

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Windows7Defender

Okay, so the argument of reinstalling your software is a big thing for windows 7.  I have a bunch of programs, all with about an hour or more of install time.  Now Mac says just go to mac instead of installing everything again..here are some problems with that..number one, most of the programs wont work with mac, second, I would have to REINSTALL them all anyways on the mac, and it is also less organized, and half of the programs I use like Photoshop have different styles of working since they are differnt OS systmes..Now I have a bunch of friends that have macs, even the microsoft rep that comes to my work to show us how windows 7 works, has a mac, but he told us as soon as its available, wich it is now, he is installing it on his mac..so, the hell with mac, since, it is just as much a hassle, and 7 has so many cool features, like the shake, automatic 50/50 split, live internet tv (FREE), less backround noise for faster operation.  Also, the person who was talking about paying the $1200 for a new pc with 7 or a new mac that all the programs wouldnt work on..not gonna bitch ya out, but one thing about that..you could pay $1200 for a PC preloaded with 7 or less for a pretty good computer, or a nice mac w/ out 7 on it for about $2200.

My knowlege about Windows 7 comes from the microsoft rep. that visits my work, (OfficeMax), regularly to update us on the system before it is even released to the public.

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Windows7Defender

Okay, so the argument of reinstalling your software is a big thing for windows 7.  I have a bunch of programs, all with about an hour or more of install time.  Now Mac says just go to mac instead of installing everything again..here are some problems with that..number one, most of the programs wont work with mac, second, I would have to REINSTALL them all anyways on the mac, and it is also less organized, and half of the programs I use like Photoshop have different styles of working since they are differnt OS systmes..Now I have a bunch of friends that have macs, even the microsoft rep that comes to my work to show us how windows 7 works, has a mac, but he told us as soon as its available, wich it is now, he is installing it on his mac..so, the hell with mac, since, it is just as much a hassle, and 7 has so many cool features, like the shake, automatic 50/50 split, live internet tv (FREE), less backround noise for faster operation.  Also, the person who was talking about paying the $1200 for a new pc with 7 or a new mac that all the programs wouldnt work on..not gonna bitch ya out, but one thing about that..you could pay $1200 for a PC preloaded with 7 or less for a pretty good computer, or a nice mac w/ out 7 on it for about $2200.

My knowlege about Windows 7 comes from the microsoft rep. that visits my work, (OfficeMax), regularly to update us on the system before it is even released to the public.

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nekollx

"reinstalling all of their old programs, assuming they still have the CDs," 

So buys a new mac where none of them work!

personally i want to see who they use for Vista guy and Seven Guy

 

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icebird

If you "just get a mac" you're still going to have to copy all your files over to it.

When was the last time Apple made a commercial highlighting the best features of their OS instead of getting a fruity celeb to PMS all over the competition?  If their product is so great, it should stand on its own.  These are getting petty and unprofessional.  Apparently, that's the type of people Apple wants to appeal to.

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Xylogeist

Tru Dat, and then theres compatibilty issues. Soon their "lack of viruses" claim will crumble when people actually WANT to make viruses for macs, if they ever find the need..

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Xylogeist

wow... this makes me laugh...

 

If apple thinks they can make a commercial dissing Windows 7..... they have another thing coming XD

 What will their argument be? :D "Windows 7 boots 4 times faster than the average Mac Pro, is far more streamlined, has Plug n' Play, and has much better software such as Office 2007! AKA our macs are probably going to be cheaper due to the lower quality... oh wait... NEVERMIND!"

 Windows 7 is 20 times the OS that any Mac will ever be, this is a fucking joke on Apple's part.

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publicimage

OK, so rather than this terrible hassle of upgrading ("What do you mean I have to put a disc in the drive?!") I should buy a new computer because it's the easier thing to do? OK fine, I'll bite. So instead of buying a smokin' Core i7 Win7 PC for $1200, I should buy an iMac with a core 2 duo (how quaint!) for the same price? Um, sorry Apple, that chip is what I'm upgrading FROM, not TO.

And for everyone trying to be polite by saying "I use Macs and they're good too" ... I am a power user and have to use Macs at least twice a week for work. I find OS X to be tedious, cumbersome and unconfigurable. To the point where the lack of any sort of user and interface customization is infuriating. And that Dock is so inferior to the Start menu. I have what, maybe 250 programs installed in All Programs -- and btw Apple, they're in alphabetical order. I couldn't imagine having to use the Dock to sift through that many programs (assuming of course that 250 applications actually exist for OS X). Even the little things, like in order to resize windows you must use the resize box in the lower-right corner?! Really? It is 2009 right? Maybe under the hood OS X is lean, but I could've guessed that ... because it doesn't let me DO anything.

I just don't get it. :|

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JoeDLP

i think Apple will have to stick to the old "we don't get viruses" argument.  i have a Mac and a PC and I like both equally. i like how apple forces it's customers to make sure they have hardware and software that is guaranteed to work - expensive but more stable.  then again, since i'm pretty poor, i appreciate microsoft's efforts to make sure my old crappy hardware still works with the new OS.

and lay off the snow leopard guest account glitch!  the fix takes about 2 minutes without installing a patch.  nobody liked vista until they put out sp1 and the problem with... everything. 

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Caboose

 Hey, if the Mac freaks can pick on some of the dumbest things in Vista (UAC for example), then we can pick on the guest account bug, especially considering IT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE 2007(MacOS X Leopard 10.5). Thats a pretty big problem IMHO!

 

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MyNameIsNas

Apple's are trying their best to embrace the release of a 'thumbs up everywhere'(mostly) OS. And just with a commercial of 'get a mac'. Nothing much.

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van_helblaze

Maybe Apple should make an official patch for the data deletion bug, that currently plaugues Snow Leopard, before they judge another OS, that up to this point has shown to be the best version of Windows EVER.

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Caboose

 It's apparently been around since 2007.

 

Anyone know of a bug that serious in Windows thats been around since XP (and you can't say IE)

 

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Havok

 Vista pre service pack 2?

 

 

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Caboose

 The bugs that were in Vista, were not in XP. And in both Vista and XP, you can sign in to a guest account, or any other account, sign back in to your account and your data's there.

And once SP1 came out for Vista, all issues were gone. Oh, and if you were using ATI chipset and GPU then there were no issues!

 

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Havok

 I just threw that out there for chuckles. The first SP did A LOT to help. AndI agree with you on the ATI front, I'm a fanboy myself.

 

 

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Caboose

 Ah ok. My mistake!

 

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roleki

Unafraid to make a prediction, Mr. Schiller tells BusinessWeek, "I expect Snow Leopard will have an amazing upgrade rate -- and Windows 7 won't."

Well, when your user-base is desperate to experience any kind of install whatsoever, you'll have that.

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Carbon

If Apple really had a better OS, would they need to spend most all advertizing money trying to knock MS down a peg?Negative advertizing will accomplish that.
Too bad they have 478 more pegs to go.....8)

Have some class Apple, like you try to promote with those over priced toys.

 

 

 

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gymbeau2000

"Any user that reads all those steps is probably going to freak out,"
Schiller stated. "If you have to go through all that, why not just buy
a Mac?"

 Ummmm did he forget that for you to "upgrade" from a PC to a MAc because it's so difficult STILL requires you to backup and migrate all your files, not to mention having to now go out and buy mac versions of the software you already own, where needed.  That sounds more difficult to me.

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xRadeon

My point exactly. 

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webhead

I don't know whether you all just buy PCs off the shelf or what. But I tried to install Win7 on my newly built rig and not only did the install take over three hours, but it wouldn't read my netgear wireless card. I was so pissed. So Win7 pretty much proved to be garbage, mac still sucks and is insanely overpriced, but that shit just really disappointed me. I'm not so sure about this Windows 7

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xRadeon

Yeah, I've had pretty dang fast install times with mine. I installed it on a pretty old laptop and it didn't take too long. About 30 or 40 minutes. It took an hour to install XP on it. So, I don't know whats up with your install time, maybe you have bad disk. You should try installing if from a USB flash drive. We did that at my work for Windows Sever 2008 R2, which is mostly based off of 7 code. We installed it from a flash drive in something like 12 minutes.

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vistageek

You have t realize that the OS has not been released. So judge it when it comes out.

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Caboose

 The OS has been released. the RTM build that was released this summer is the same thing that is going to be boxed up and sold in stores or OEM. So anyone reviewing the RTM build is reviewing the final build.

 

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Scatmanbrandt

I feel your pain, I installed RC1 on my Alienware M7700 but since there are no compatible drivers avalible for it (yet) It kept giving me the bsod so I switch back to XP.

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DriZzLe

Installed 7 on an older Sony Vaio- p4 2.8, 2 gigs ram, nvidia 5200 (had to use Vista driver 98.xx), 120 gig hdd & it only took 45 minutes & everything works perfectly. You do know you can use any Vista driver in 7. You can also run pretty much any XP driver in compatibility mode.

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Scatmanbrandt

I tried with every vista driver I could find for it, apparantly there were a few missing. Unfortunatly, my computer was released before Vista so not many divers to find other then RAID

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Tony_Wilson

"20 Minute battery life"- funny

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gymbeau2000

Are you sure you were not installing the Beta or RC?  I just installed Win 7 Ultimate retail on my home-built tower and went from insert DVD, reboot, start the install, format C & install Total time = 22 mins.  And that got me to the desktop and ready to use.

 Pentium D, mid-level Asus mobo, 2x1.5 TB HD, 4GB ram, so nothing fancy.  Oh and PS, my linksys wifi card worked like a dream and I was connected to my network before I was on the desktop since it's part of the setup.

 So I call BS on this comment

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lien_meat

Yeah, I have to agree with this guy.  I have a really boring/lackluster inspiron 1525 laptop that I installed both the beta, RC, and RTM builds of windows7 on, and it didn't take longer than 40 mins ever.

Specs:
1.6ghz core 2
2gb ddr2
160gb 5400rpm hard drive
CRAP intel965gm graphics

It's possible that your hard drive or something is nearly dead, and that could have made it take longer...but it would have to be either incompatable or defective CORE system hardware, not video card or wireless or anything.

I'm not saying win7 doesn't have things that need work (I could name quite a few nags), but this seems pretty outlandish.
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Havok

 I remember selling those laptops at work! True POS's. Vista hung sooooo many times running these things on demo, we just shut them down mostly. But hearing that Win7 runs on it FROM a user..... well, let's just say miracles do come true....

 

 

CLICK.

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mesiah

Here are a few more freebie commercial ideas for you to run MS.

1.) (preferably run this one immediately after the apple commercial when possible.) "Time it takes to upgrade from windows XP to windows 7: 3 hours. Time it takes to upgrade from windows xp to mac osx: impossible." Followed by "Cost of upgrading to windows 7: $129. Cost of a new mac: $1500. Cost of replacing all of your software that doesn't work on mac: Priceless."

2.) I would pay anything to see a commercial where the PC guy kicks the mac guys ass.

3.) A commercial that points out the need for boot camp and windows to perform certain tasks (like gaming) Followed by "Mac, it just works...... if you are running windows."

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vistageek

Awesome!!!

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Lash

I have just upgraded a network of ten computers to windows 7,

each of the new win7 machines has a little window in the corner with the old OS running.

some of the machines were win98 some were XP, they are all running nicely as virtual machines on the new computers.

the upgrade was quite simple, but I can see how Mac users would have trouble with it. There is no simple icon that they can click on to make it all happen while they order a new latte.

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Caboose

Where I work, we have a new VP of sales, and when he started, I handed him his shiny brand new Dell notebook. His first comment to me was that he was a mac user. Second was asking if our remote connect software and external access works on a mac. Nope, Windows only mac boy! Then when he had issues with access to an app, his reasoning was "Well, the computer must have sensed I'm a Mac user, and doesn't like me!".

Next time he spouts off about his love for Macs, I'll just have to bring up the bug in OSX (thats been around since 2007), the huge flaw in the mac keyboard, the one where you can get a key logger in you keyboard. Only way to get rid of it, is to get rid of the keyboard! And how about that whole thing where a Mac won't boot if the CMOS battery is dead (or whatever it's called on a Mac)

 Apple is grasping at straws right now if this is the best they can come up with. I agree with others, about a major major mac virus! Something that really reaks havoc!

 

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Tony_Wilson

Apple is for people that dont know shit about computers. I'm so tired of hearing about people talk about how much they LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE their MAC! Oh, look at me and my mac book sitting heare at Starbucks, listening to my I-Pod sipping my latte, can you see that apple logo glowing on the back of my Mac book? It means I'm more intellectual than you are and I made a better buy than you, and Oh shit my I phone is ringin hold one you peasent while I answer my phone and dont be jealous of my $500 phone, Oh did I metion that I'm trying to pull of that I look smarter than you look?

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lien_meat

First off, I'm a PC.  I dual boot Win7 and Ubuntu on a dell.  I LOVE my pc for lots of reasons, but the biggest one being it is SOOOO much cheaper to own a PC.

HOWEVER...macs are definately NOT ONLY for people who don't know shit about computers.  I have serveral graduated and successful computer science (I graduated with CS as well) and computer engineering friends that are brilliant when it comes to computers, programming, unix, you name it...

You may not personally like macs, or the "mac mentality", but it doesn't mean that only computer idiots use macs.

Also, apple DOES inovate.  For example, Grand Central Dispatch...pretty much SOLVES the whole "programming for concurency and parrallelism is HARD" problem...and they just open sourced it...so every *nix is probably gonna have it very soon.  This is coming from a programmer that has programmed multithreaded apps before, and understands exactly how much this is needed.  Google it if you don't believe me.
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Tony_Wilson

I mean the general consumer, you know the majority of people who buy a product. The tone of your comment is the typical, oooohhhhhh well their innovative and they did did this and they did that. You missed the point Mr.B.A. computer science. Nobody gives a crap what you went to college for. Its the reasoning behind the purchase. They automatically bypass windows pc and head over to the Apples because they bare selling and image of fashion rather than user ability or function.

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