Apple Posts Snide Apology to Samsung on U.K. Website

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pastorbob

I don't own any Apple products and never will. IMHO they are way overpriced, and highly over rated. The attitude they show with all of the lame litigation is simply reflective of the late Steve Jobs' ego. But it is a matter of choice and preference. I choose to get the best bang for my buck and Apple products are not it.

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davelray

Agreed, but at the same time, I am envious of those sleek lines and curves of some of the new iMacs. If only it weren't like buying a Lamborghini then finding out it only has a 4 cylinder engine.

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lostcause64

Yep, a goat in a suit is still a goat...

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firefox91

If this is all about the physical look of the device, then tell me any 2 brands of tablet that don't look similar. They are all thin, rectangular, have rounded edges, with a glass screen. The steering wheel comparison was spot on. Apple needs to stop this crap and let the market dictate the winner. It's not like they are the underdog. They have lemmings... I mean people that camp out for days to buy a product none of them have seen. But we are going to worry about patent violations for a rectangle. What assholes.

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Jerjef

I'm not really surprised by this apology. Not because I would expect no less from Apple, but from mega corporations in general. No one has been playing nice lately in the corporate world. Everyone's acting like snotty 13 year olds and unfortunately their fans have become nothing more than their posse hurling nonsensical insults in their favour. "Oh yeah, well he's cooler than you because his resolution is higher."

We all need to grow up. There's a market for everything. I do feel that Apple products with their restrictive environment and "minimal" virus infections are ideal for the average home user who knows very little about computers and needs to be kept out of trouble. Unfortunately, in MY opinion, they are very overpriced. Take the new 13" MBP Retina for example. Yes it is a 13" laptop, and it will suit someone's needs quite well, but at a $1200 starting price tag, with no upgrade-ability and near impossible to repair according to iFixit's 2/10 score, http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+13-Inch+Retina+Display+Late+2012+Teardown/11225/1, it's a disposable product. Once something breaks or a better one comes out, it's tossed.

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copterguy

...and in other news, Chevy was sued by ford for also having a round steering wheel...oh, that's right, that never happened because litigating to get ahead wasn't in fashion then.

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renodude18

This has become ridiculous. I may have a few Apple products but I'm not for or against either of them. I as a consumer use what works. For a phone I've found android smartphones that I've used (HTC, Samsung and Google) to be annoying when accomplishing things that are a no brainier on the iPhone. But then again I only use my iphone for calls,texts, email and sometimes games or books. As for a tablet I've tried them all and I like the Samsung tablets but since I've already bought into the Apple ecosystem with an iPhone it would be easier to go to an iPad mini but I don't see any reason to have a tablet as I have an Windows laptop for my everyday stuff and an Xbox for my gaming. I honestly think this whole Apple vs Google and partners is very annoying and over hyped! just use your devices to accomplish what you need weather it be to play a game, make a call or surf the internet.. in other words grow up!

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LinuxCanuck

Samsung is having the last laugh. They are cleaning up where it counts. In the last quarter they have sold twice as many Galaxy phones and iPad sales are below expectations. So if Apples' strategy is to bring down Samsung, then it is not working.

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Xenite

Apple has never been innovative, they take existing and sometimes obscure ideas and package them into a consumer friendly devices. Then they convince the retarded masses how uncool they are unless they buy one.

The mindless cult of Apple then lines up to pay insane prices for technology that can be found for half as much elsewhere.

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Engelsstaub

You must be a complete narcissist to think that you're better and so much less "retarded" than the masses.

Stop making stupid assumptions about people based on something as trivial as a choice in products. Such behavior only speaks to one's own ridiculous values in this short life.

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davelray

Actually narcissism is a trait I would usually ascribe to the typical Apple customer. What else would you call it when someone purchases a product based solely on the looks and/or maker. Apple's hardware is often inferior and overpriced. They are the "Nike" of the technology world. With the exception to their tablets, and even that has changed over the last year. So don't call someone out because they choose to be smarter with their money or other reasons for not choosing your precious Apple. I bought my iPad 1 because at the time, it was the best option. That is no longer the case. My next tablet will probably not be an Apple tablet. When I chose my cell phone from my company's offerings, I got an iPhone 4. It wasn't Apple's name that drove that decision, it was the fact I could get a refurbished iPhone 4 16gb for $100 bucks instead of a brand new Android option for $200 to $300. Price and features are my motivations for what I choose tech wise. Why should I pay over $7000 dolllars for a Apple computer set up when I can buy the non Apple configuration with same quality for $2000 to $3000? Why should I buy a MacBook Pro for $2199 when I can get the equivalent for less than $1000. Or better yet, when I can take that $2199 and buy a non-Apple laptop with much better specs?

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Engelsstaub

"when someone purchases a product based solely on the looks and/or maker." is not the definition of narcissism. Xenite's comment was a perfect example of it.

Furthermore nobody is being forced to buy Apple's products. Use what you like. There was no argument about some price-to-spec ratio.

You're now also making an awfully grand assumption about other people and why they make the "super-important" choices in tech products.

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DigitalNogi

He just laid your ass out. Accept it.

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Engelsstaub

Well, that was a worthwhile contribution to this moldy discussion, 'net-ref. Timely as well. Want me to come back next week to see what further insights you've come up with?

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jaccobb

Personally, I've no use for apple products. That being said, I do understand that they have their place... What I don't understand is how the US government can force AT&T to break, and Microsoft to change yet promote an attempted monopolization with apple.

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davelray

As long as there are other companies selling comparable tech, then there is no monopoly.

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davelray

No the definition of narcissism is when they are concerned solely with their own self and how they look. Purchasing Apple is something they feel makes them look good and/or superior to others. Because there's far better tech out there than Apple, and often for a better price.

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Engelsstaub

How do you know how "they" feel??

I know plenty of people who own both Apple and non-Apple tech products. None of them match your description.

There are probably some people out there who "think they're cool yap yap yap" based on their tech choices. But at the end of the day it is THEIR money.

Guess what, guy? I own a Mac and a PC. I use them for different things. I mostly use a Mac because of the software I need. Most people are served just as well with a PC. I like OSX better and often use software that is exclusive to it. I don't give a rat's ass what people think of me and my computers. If you see me in a public wifi spot with my MBP (which I can sell for over half of what I paid for it--unlike a "better value" PC laptop which isn't worth 300 bucks a year later) it's because I didn't pay my internet bill. Not because I am there to impress you and revolving around your world. ...narcissism.

I don't know why I just justified my choices to you but I did. Does that sound like some tired-ass cliche about sheep and koolaid?

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Zedro

"I know plenty of people who own both Apple and non-Apple tech products. None of them match your description."

So? They are considered the exception to the rule but it doesn't change the rule. Apple has be peddling inferior products since the beginning but people, by and large, get them because it's "cool" or "hip".

And yes, it is their money to do with as they please. That is not what is relevant. It's whether or not they buy the product because it's useful for their needs or because it's trendy. More people buy Apple because it's trendy.

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Engelsstaub

Well my experience obviously differs from yours. I'm talking about real people in my "IRL-world." I don't know if you actually know people who are buying Macs or whatever, "crippling their own computing abilities" in favor of "being trendy and looking cool."

You say people "by and large are getting them." OS X marketshare is pretty slim compared to Windows. That sort of negates these oft-repeated assertions about "Kool-aid drinking sheep-like masses." I think most people agree with you guys on not wanting to spend ass-loads of money on a computer that is in most ways just as "good" as its lower-priced PC counterpart. The difference is the "masses" (ie: everyone I personally know) don't get worked up in a nerd-rage over it. They just buy what they like and live their lives worrying about far more important things.

When people ask me (and they often do) "should I get a PC or a Macintosh?" I usually tell them "a PC." No lie. I've only "evangelized" two people in my entire life on getting a Mac. It was based on what I knew about them:

1. My brother and his wife are (like very many) completely clueless about computers. Me talking them into getting a Mac has saved me from monthly free tech support visits because of their serious lack of understanding. It's led to so many senselessly acquired viruses and days of headache-inducing work for me because "I know computers" or whatever. Now for many Windows 7 is a superb OS but if you're computer-ignorant it is unforgiving. Not Windows' fault...it's the fault of the person behind the keyboard.

2. Another person I know I talked into getting a (less-expensive) Mac because her needs and interests were similar to mine. She had no desire to play PC-games and was into more specialized stuff, like me, that most people couldn't care about. It is my opinion that the Mac platform has better software selection for certain A/V-type stuff, but I feel the opinion is rooted in personal experience on ALL platforms. Most people could probably find Windows or Linux equivalents to adequately suit their needs.

...yes, people will stand in line for a new Apple product release. People stood in line for the PS3 too...(I know because I was there light-heartedly making fun of them and shouting "get an XBox!" just to see what sort of objects would be hurled in my direction.) Perhaps some of those are less-than-rational people or whatever. Most of them are brand-loyal and this can be seen in many other non-tech aspects of life as well. My father bought the same brand of vehicle for most of his adult life. He would not hear of an alternative brand that would save him X-amount of dollars. He knew from his good personal experiences what he wanted and was happy with. He was a "fanboy" in the same sense, but he had his reasons. Personally I find the "antis" in the world usually FAR more obnoxious than anyone who just likes what they like and doesn't want to hear about anything else.

Some people will choose a car with "better value" and increased horsepower under the hood. Others will choose a car, same price or more expensive, that gives them the ride and the experience they want. I believe the majority make their choices based on what suits them; "no BS fast car" -or- "fuel efficient with the (to them) preferable user interface." Some buy the latter to "look cool" but so also do some purchasers of the former. IOW some people will gloat about how great their MacBook Pro is because it gets ten hours of battery and has a trackpad that doesn't completely suck. Others will gloat about their desktop with the latest and fastest CPUs and GPUs. To each I respond: "Wow, really?! Can I just reach over there and work your shaft?" Who cares...

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Jerjef

Wow, that is probably the most insightful and level headed post I've ever seen by you. I am impressed and will certainly see you in another light. Even though I know you are on the side of Apple more than any other, you do share many the same viewpoints I do.

Even though I am a PC person, whether it's Windows or Linux, there was a time that I was a fan of Apple as well, just because I like having a choice. What really irkes me is the mentality shared by many that Apple can do no wrong and every time they release something it's immediately golden when from my personal experience there's probably something better already on the market. I won't deny that they did revolutionize phone market with the original iPhone, but other companies have improved upon this model in leaps and bounds yet Apple hasn't really done anything too groundbreaking since then. As well Apple's new trend of suing everyone for things that are more meant to stifle the competition really bugs me. They were never like this when they were the underdog and they often petitioned Microsoft for the same kind of silliness.

I work in IT myself and I have seen broken iMacs and MBPs come and go in my shop, but I do understand why some should have them as there is a product for everyone. I cannot understand though why some, businesses primarily, will by an iMac and yet exclusively run Windows on it to support their companies software. I mean why not just buy a cheaper PC with Windows running natively. You're just as open to viruses either way.

Makes me wonder.

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Engelsstaub

Yeah, anyone who pays the extra cash for a Mac and just uses it to run Windows may want consider some form of counseling ;)

I have no problem with Windows and Linux. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind about Apple's products. (I can't stand Dell. Go ahead and try to convince me that I "need" an XPS or another crappy Alienware lol) I would just hope to help some understand that this isn't worth hating actual people over. I don't know anyone IRL that acts like this. It's just on the internet.

It's no secret around here that I like Apple..but I'm not so blinded by my loyalty that I'll run out and buy anything and everything they make. My phone is a Samsung. Maybe I'll get an iPhone one day...maybe not. IDK. My phone I have now "just works" too. You're right: everything Apple makes is NOT gold. I think the new iPad Mini sucks. I like the 4S better than the 5. I was hoping for much more from the 13" retina MBP. (THAT was something I was truly interested in too but I won't cough up that sort of cash until it gets a better/discrete GPU.) The expensive-assed Mac Pro is languishing and is poorly updated by Apple. That's probably driving many professionals back to PC-land. Apple had Hollywood movie editors and AV studios in their back pockets and they're pissing it away by focusing too much on the low-end and quick sales of phones and tablets. They're making the big bucks now but I believe it will hurt them in the long run.

...and yes, I've been an asshole in the past. I let people get the best of me. When I get trolled I stupidly stoop right down to the same level or lower. Nobody's fault but mine. I'm also not "always right" and can consider another PoV even if I don't immediately like it. It's pretty easy to pretend we know everything on the internet. Everyone's an expert here; all you have to do is Google away to prove your cred ;)

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davelray

I agree with Zedro on this.

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davelray

You are confusing innovative with inventive. Apple brought innovation to a tiny segment of the cell phone market, the smartphone. Prior to the iPhone you had mostly business users using blackberries or the occasional windows smart phone or Palm based smartphone. Apple took the idea, combined the features of a smartphone with the features of their successful iPod and pushed smartphones into the mass consumer market. Ten years ago, you hardly saw anyone with a smartphone. Now you are hard pressed to find someone NOT using one. That's innovation. Bringing solutions and adapting them to a larger market segment. They did the same with the iPad in regards to the tablet market. Now they have three devices that they continue to recycle by tweaking them up a bit. Apple has not released anything innovative since the first iPad. So to say they have never been innovative is inaccurate. Say, instead, they haven't brought anything to the table in two years and you are closer to the mark.

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warptek2010

Very well put.

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warptek2010

double post

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Sir Hobbes3

ahhhh, my face lit up very brightly when i read this article.

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PulsePCTeck

Apple's case would be like Domino's taking a lawsuit to Pizza Hut because they also make a round pizza; or Panasonic sueing Sony because they make a rectangular LCD Panel display. My opinion stays the same. Apple comes out with innovative stuff, but everybody else comes out with the better innovative stuff. For years and years, the PC has rules the consumer market and I guess Apple has had enough of being their products being tossed into the forgotten pile of toys under the bed. The only Apple that anybody should have their homes is the kind that grows on trees.

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Caboose

What, as of late, has Apple released that is Innovative?

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Engelsstaub

So-called "retina" displays in laptops and tablets (that have a better resolution than the monitors on our desktops) would be my favorite example. Even some writers here at Maximum PC admitted the hell out of that if you recall.

The MBA is the entire inspiration for the so-called Ultrabook in PC-land. More innovation. The iPad. Yes, the iPad because there was no market for a tablet until Apple decided to create that market by making one that was useful and desirable.

I know you didn't ask me but you did ask. Almost all manufacturers have some innovations to their credit...even the ones you don't personally like. I'm sure we could come up with a decent list of Samsung innovations as well.

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davelray

Retina is nothing but a marketing hype. It's merely an IPS display. And let's Apple overcharge yet again on inferior. And you are incorrect about the tablet market. There was already a market for tablets before Apple came along. Apple only shifted it to another market entirely and made everyone drool over it. As of this year, that's over with. There are better, cheaper, options out there now and Apple's losing ground to their competitors. Every new tablet that comes out that is not Apple takes a little more away from them. They have not innovated anything in two years. They've merely recycled their own designs with a few tweaks here and there. Even SIRI was a joke on the iPhone. It's fine that you like Apple and choose their products over others. That's your choice. But at least be honest with yourself. You're buying it for the name, or the way they designed it, your not buying it because it's better. Apple's design is sleek and pretty, and some of it could even be considered a work of art. And if that's why you prefer it, more power to you. But if you sit there and telling me you are buying it because it's superior in every way, I'm going to laugh in your face and point out product after product with specs for the same price or cheaper that blows their crap out of the way. Heck, look at their new iMac line. No optical drive at all. So now the customer has to get an external optical drive if they like watching dvd's etc. on their Mac. Thus all the sleek design goes out the door when you see a cluttered desk of external peripherals.

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Engelsstaub

Was I really "sitting here telling you I'm buying" anything "because it's superior in every way?"

Jesus... he asked for examples and I listed them. You had to reply with nothing more than a dismissive opinion about displays that exceed 1920 x 1080 and how there was a market for tablets before the iPad. Yeah they did shift it: they shifted it from nobody wanted or needed one to now nearly everyone wants and needs one. Fact. Not even one of those admittedly better tablets would exist if not for the iPad. ...innovation.

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Zedro

Very few people, even today, truly NEED a tablet. It's primarily a extra device usually used for entertainment. I've yet to see what can be done on a tablet that can't be quicker and easier on a computer. There will be exceptions of course but it's hardly a must have device.

Your "Fact" is more fiction than anything else.

You also just proved our point about Apple being a status symbol. No one wanted an tablet until Apple came out with one. What, exactly, did the iPad have that the others didn't that made it such a must have device? Is it that Apple came out with the most perfect device that everyone NEEDED to have or did everyone WANT a tablet because it was made by Apple?

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Engelsstaub

Some people probably bought the iPad because it had that Apple-logo on it. Others bought it because it was the first tablet that was worthwhile to the average consumer.

Balance. The same can be said for buyers of "high end" car brands. They want a car with a BMW logo or a Mercedes hood ornament. I've seen the parts that go into these cars and they're often equal to or cheaper than the parts used in more economical vehicles. They just come with more "polish" ...just like "shiny computers and tablets."

Of course nobody truly "needs" a tablet. It is primarily an extra device. Nobody is arguing that todays tablets can do work like a real computer. They have been proven more useful than you are willing to give them credit. I've seen special-needs children that respond very well to the use of an iPad. They would likely be just as well-served with a Nexus 7 or whatever, but the fact remains: the iPad was there first and that's what every special education department in my school district has and they ALL swear by it. (I don't believe for a second that Apple, a company who's purpose is to generate profit, created the iPad as some humanitarian effort to help children with Autism and such. It just is what it is.)

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Jerjef

I will agree with you on that one. If there ever is a niche for the simplistic nature of iOS, it's as an educational tool for children, especially with special needs. Certainly any tablet WILL do as the software they're using is likely available for Android as well, but like you said, being first to market has a lasting appeal on sales. The average Joe Anybody calls all tablets iPads, or even iPods. It's become a generalized term for tablet PCs. It's the same as someone who's not a video gamer calling all video game consoles Nintendos, just because they don't know any better and Nintendo has been around the longest and sells the most.

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davelray

It's a small niche of people that actually "need" a tablet. For years before Apple decided to make them into trendy media consumption devices, they have been used as means of displaying information without having to lug around a notebook or computer. For instance, I supported an entire line of Viewsonic branded XP tablets used by aircraft engineers/mechanics to display service manuals while working on said aircraft. I use my Nexus 7 at work for service manuals and knowledgebase access while working on servers, computers, laptops and printers. I also saw a number of real-estate agents use them while showing houses on the market. Apple moved the tablet out of these small niche markets into the greater consumer market. That's all they did innovation wise. Though I guess we could credit them with the first tablet "invented" with the Newton. But that maybe a stretch as I believe there was a tablet style device even before it.

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Bustout

That's not innovation, that's regurgitation! I'm surprised mother birds haven't sued them for it yet.

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jaseplase

love me some apple-blinded engelappledouche

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Assydick

Me too.

But my real problem is that I don't have a very high level of literacy nor can I contribute anything coherent to any discussions.

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carage

I would love to see Apple get slapped with contempt of court...

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copterguy

me too..for 1.3 Billion...

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Andrew.Hodge

... And who wasn't surprised at this?

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orca11

@#$#@!$! spam filter won't let me post a normal comment

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whathuhitwasntme

I'm sorry but most of the apple products contain SAMSUNG PARTS
so who is really paying this? I mean really ok you win a 500 million dollar verdict in America, don't you think this now means that Samsung has a higher margin cost of production for parts, so they will be passing the cost to the consumer IE> APPLE > YOU the buyer of apple crapple. So the only looser here is YOU the consumer.

Now tell me again how this doesn't effect you if you are a apple user!

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jooohn

I wanted to be just as angry about this as I was when this was heating up a while ago, but I've grown tired. All that comes to mind now is....

Meh.

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dumbboyfriend

The quotes listed in the beginning of this article are from the Judge in the actual ruling, not from Apple themselves. I'll admit, the post itself isn't very apologetic, and pointing out the other verdicts in similar cases is certainly a bit dickish, but there's no reason for them not to. Other courts have found in their favor, they have a right to point that out. I'm not particularly pro- or anti-Apple, but this doesn't seem like any kind of indicator of greed, avarice, or general backhandedness. So yeah, there may be a bit of "click-baiting" happening; or at least, that's how it reads.

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Ulrich

That's what I expected from Apple. Until something is done about patents this will never stop.

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Red Ensign

"The informed user's overall impression"

Is this the new term for "Apple Fanboy" because any actual "informed user" will already know that Apple has lost more Apple vs Samsung cases worldwide than they have won. Can Maximum PC do a Apple vs Samsung scorecard and keep it updated as Apple loses more cases? Like 2 days ago in a Dutch court and so on.

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stradric

Of course everyone should have seen this coming. I thought Apple being ordered to make an apology was stupid, and I think Apple's "apology" was even worse.

The only thing corporations understand is money. If the judge wanted to force Apple to make an apology, he should have fined them.

And this is yet another polarizing act from Apple. Their base of Apple zealots will likely mess their pants, and the haters will just add it to the long list of douchey behavior that is par for the course with Apple.

And the world keeps spinning...

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DeltaFIVEengineer

I agree with most of what you say but I just don't understand the expectation people have regarding an "acceptable" apology. Corporations, politicians, and your average human being wouldn't have treated the situation any differently given the circumstances. Apple sued Samsung for patent infringement and lost. The judge wants them to issue an apology for said lawsuit as recompense. Now, switch Apple for Company A and patent infringement for Situation B. Does it really change the dynamic? No.

I thought their response was fairly tepid considering the punishment. But of course, I'm not blinded by seething hatred for Apple so I must be a Luddite and part of the Apple fan club.

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