Another Build of Windows 8 Blue Leaked

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praack

i am up to 12 people i know who were looking for new pc's all but 1 have now either switched to apple (8) or just to a tablet (3) , to a tablet 2 went to ipad and one to android. The final person felt she needed windows because of Word- and because she was in the UK and felt it was Microsoft 8 I had to lead her to a laptop with a touch screen.

those are quite expensive in the UK

she would not listed regarding any other OS or Office application though - and Windows 7 machines are not available in the store fronts there. Since i am in the US i am limited on really assisting her.

WIn 8 is driving people away from microsoft- you can Scoff and say the people were not True Windows people- but in fact they were just people- when faced with Win 8 it was thier children who pointed them to Apple.

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maxeeemum

If you are looking for improvements or a fix to Windows 8 it is already available it's called Windows 7.

Microsoft has no intention of improving the "Desktop PC Experience" because Win8 is all about selling WP8, Tablets, Xbox, Office (ribbon) and other M$ products. But it's not working out for them so far!

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supercourier

Sigh. Poised to fail. Vista II.

M$ angrily shouted down its users during the creation of Windows Home Server 2011, crapped out a half finished shell and then declared the whole genre dead as the door slammed in our faces. Why should this be any different?

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Hilarity

Switched to OS X, haven't looked back. Only use Windows 8 by necessity on my gaming box. Never again anywhere else though.

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Sparx10

I don't get why Microsoft is justifying Windows 8 and pushing forward with Blue knowing that back in October 2010, Steve Ballmer came outright and said "Windows 8 is Microsoft's riskiest bet"

WHY are they not listening to their customers anymore, especially when he knows that Windows 8 is stupid?

PS: I spent about 10 minutes trying to reword this so that I wouldn't keep getting "Your submission has triggered the spam filter and will not be accepted." Your spam filter really seems to hate the word d-e-f-e-n-d-i-n-g (can't type it or it won't let me post it)

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TrollBot5000

maxpc's spam filter is a complete joke. spammers get through all the time. one time I linked to a zdnet article and got flagged.

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supercourier

Yeah, I don't even create long responses anymore since you never know when you'll be rejected for no apparent reason in favor of a post letting you know how someone's sister's dog made a fortune working at home. Those seem to do fine, and stay put since this is unmoderated.

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PCWolf

Once again, Microsoft fails to listen to the Majority of its Customers, & panders to the Tablet Loving Social Media Morons who love that lame Metro Interface. Bringing back the Start Button & adding a "Boot to Desktop" would end all the HATE being directed at Windows 8.

Note: Windows 8 Incompatibility with Windows 7 Software not working on Windows 8 is another MAJOR issue with this Fail OS.

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Baer

I am using Win 8 on my tablet and my notebook but I have not installed it on our desktop computers at home or in the office. Yes I am Ok with using touch on a notebook but our multi monitor set ups in the office would be a royal pain to have to use touch and reach out 28" away. I also hate fingerprints on my monitors. I hate the extra clicks to even shut down and I absolutely have to have the ability to open as many screens (windows) as I wish across two or even three monitors wherever I want them. I do like the speed of 8 but 7 is also fast. I do not have to have a start button but I do have to have fast and easy mouse and keyboard utility with no extra clicks.
I am not converting our business or desktops to Win 8 at this time. This is the first time we are not going to a new Windows within a year of its release. If I could boot to the desktop and in the desktop have full multimonitor utility then I would put up with the start screen instead of the easy to use start menu which we all would rather have, admit it or not.
Why do most of us use P C's instead of Macs? It is because we want it our way not Apples (or now Microsofts) way. Microsoft, take a lesson from that.

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meanderer

My office has dual screen setup, so I can copy and paste from my web browser to a spreadsheet, or work on a document while referring to the spreadsheet. Metro UI doesn't allow that. In fact Metro UI doens't generates no benefit to any Office situations.

Win7 is booting fast enough, and I see no reason to specifically buy new OS to upgrade yet.

Dual screen setup in win8 is currently less than ideal.
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w8itprogeneral/thread/7a58e65c-b56a-411c-94cd-5d90146fd8e4/

It's about the same with all iterations of Microsoft OS, wait until you buy a new computer that comes with it.

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kris79

I like some things, I hate some things. I walked off the Win8 cliff. The major problem that I have with Win8 is that my sail racing software doesn't work anymore. My weather prediction programs don't work. My tactical software doesn't work. My navigation and instrument interfaces don't work.Virtual port software is toast. I'd probably go back to Win7 except that MS will probably kiss that off before I get everything set up again. I had to buy a FREAKING! iPad to get operational quickly while waiting (still)for everything to play nice with Win8. How bad is that?

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Keep a copy of Win8 Windows to Go on an external ESata or USB drive

Boot to Win2Go and load Windows 7 as a virtual OS and run all your software from a removable drive

That way you wont screw up your current OS while you get the bugs out of a new system and nobody will steal your software if they steal your hardware

Hardware can be replaced

Software, not so much

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rjhill0489

Am I just missing something or wouldn't it have just been easier to fix all that crap before dumping Windows 8 on everybody?

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germanogre

Can't call it a dump if it isn't shit to begin with.

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TrollBot5000

no you sir are wrong. windows 8 is in fact shit.

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germanogre

Double post

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Fray

I also hate Windows 8 because they took away the widgets (currency, weather, time zones) that I used to like on the desktop.

With Classic Shell I can get rid of the stupid charms and Metro bullshit, but Windows 8 was a huge disappointment and a waste of $50.

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CWhyNot

If you want to use old Win7 gadgets in Win8, I suggest using 8GadgetPack (from "http://8gadgetpack.bplaced.net/"). I've installed it on most of the Win8 machines I've set up for people, and it seems to work well.
Also, for a start menu, I like StartIsBack (available at "http://www.startisback.com/"). Though it's not quite free, it does a very good job of putting a very faithful recreation of the same old Win7 start menu into Win8 with a bunch of nice optional enhancements as well.

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PCWolf

& that's why I'm still using Windows 7. Windows 8 Offers me nothing that I need. & I don't need to save 10 seconds on my boot time that badly. Not like I restart my Computer every 5 mins.

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anc51699

I try as hard as I can to avoid the MaxPC comment sections about Win8 articles as much as possible, because it always irks me reading about the gripes people have with Windows 8. So far, this is the list of complaints I've seen about Windows 8 in these comment boards:

-My Start button is gone! (The big deal breaker, apparently)
-Where's the Aero interface!
-I can't figure out how to use it! (Hit F1)
-It sucks! (Why does it suck?)
-It's meant for phones/tablets! (In what way? What dictates what is meant for a phone/tablet and what is meant for a PC?)
-My MacBook Pro is better! It runs Windows 7! (Hahaha!)
-I run Linux (No complaints there, but you can't expect all users to be able to use Linux and do everything that they can do within Windows)

Compared to this list of improvements that Windows 8 has brought, without even mentioning the new Start Screen:
-Faster Boot/Shutdown times, and improved system performance
-Improved security (UEFI secure boot, malware/rootkit defenses, etc.)
-Ribbon interface implemented throughout File Explorer
-Improved battery life for laptops
-Improved dual/multi monitor support
-Improved touch screen support
-Built-in USB3 support
-PC Refresh/Reset functionality
-"Power User" menu (Right click on bottom-left corner of screen)

That list could even be expanded further. I'd love for someone to please try to explain to me why they hate Windows 8 for any reason besides the new start screen, or the fact that their start button is gone, because if Windows 7 had all of these improvements, there would be many a MaxPC reader popping a raging tech boner. Simply because Windows 7 has the Start Menu, and Windows 8 has the new Start Screen.

All of this gripe over something as trivial as the loss of the Start button, and the new Start Screen. Really? No Start Button is why people give Win8 so much grief? The Start Screen is capable of doing everything that the Menu could do, with no increase in mouse clicks. You can put shortcuts(tiles) to whatever the heck you want on it just like you could the Start Menu. Don't want to use Win8 apps? Uninstall them, or just take them off the Start Screen! You can fill it with Desktop App tiles as much as you want! Don't want to use the Charm Bar? Make shortcuts to things like Shutdown & Restart and put them on there too!

Could the Start Screen be improved? Yes, certainly. Could the Windows 8 apps be better? Definitely! Does that mean Windows 8 sucks? Of course not! It's not any harder or slower to use the Start Screen over the Start Menu, but god forbid they do away with the all mighty Start Menu! You shouldn't have to spend money on programs like Start8 to get a fake Start Menu, either. Just take the time to customize it to how you want it, and you won't miss it at all. Just wait until Blue comes out, and it will get even better, and they've already been making huge improvements to Windows 8 apps.

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AFDozerman

Don't bother arguing it. People's minds are made up, you can't convince me to hate it, you can't convince bullwinkle to love it. Possibly most polarizing OS ever.

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TrollBot5000

^^^^^^^^ SHILL

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PCWolf

I tried Windows 8. Aside from my 2 Deal Breakers:

1: No Start Menu
2: Tablet UI (Metro)

I learned a very important thing about windows 8: I DON'T NEED IT! It offers me nothing that would make me want to run out & buy it at this time. If you like Windows 8, then Enjoy!

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wolfing

I tried Windows 8, gave it a chance, and really really didn't like it... at all.
- Faster boot speed? My W7 with a SSD boots to desktop in 18 seconds. Usually I press 'power' and by the time I turn the monitor on and sit at my chair, desktop is already there and ready. So this doesn't really do anything for me.
- Confusing dual-interface.
- The metro part was even more confusing, there isn't any indication that there is more stuff (like scrollbars) when I tried it. You had to 'know' there was more stuff to the right.
- No Widgets.
- Hard to have several windows open at the same time (on the same screen)
- I severely hated the whole metro thing with the big squares. I much rather prefer having full control of my desktop and small icons so more things fit.

So, I'll be using Windows 7 until it's not supported anymore (when's that, 2018?). After that who knows how the world will be. The Roman empire is crumbling (i.e. Microsoft) so who knows what the future holds... maybe we'll get into an OS 'dark age' era until things get settled.

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TrollBot5000

Dude with linux there is no such thing as an "OS Dark age"

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fung0

Your list of 'improvements' in Windows 8 consists entirely of stuff that belonged in a minor update (USB3), or that's not an improvement at all. (The Ribbon sucks even worse in a touch-based environment than it did with a mouse. Multi-monitor support falls far short of what you get with any number of utilities in Win7. Secure Boot is a double-edged DRM ploy. And any speed improvement is far too small to be meaningful, especially as we all move to SSDs.)

Meanwhile, you've managed to ignore the most significant objections to Windows 8.

-Windows 8 moves us towards a totally closed ecosystem, in which no one can develop software without Microsoft's permission. Even if I loved Windows 8, this would be a show-stopper.

-Windows 8 is a strong move away from the mouse-and-keyboard desktop, even though touch isn't as good for most of what I do - AND NEVER WILL BE. Human muscles work they way they work, and not even Microsoft can change that.

-Windows 8 is an ugly, two-headed beast, and an even uglier marketing ploy. On tablets, 'Metro' could have been a contender. But Microsoft didn't trust users to judge Metro on its own merits, and instead opted to cram it down their throats by grafting it on to desktop Windows. The tweaks to Blue demonstrate that Microsoft has no intention of reversing this course; they're still hoping we'll all obediently troop on over to Metro.

Bottom line, Windows 8 forces users towards a new touch-centric UI - whether they need it or not - but does nothing to advance the PC's capabilities. That's a negative ROI in anybody's ledger, and a drastic mis-step from the company that originally built its business in the enterprise and professional space. (And which lacks any shred of expertise in the consumer-electronics market, where companies like Apple and Samsung continue to dominate.)

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hypersonic

I will agree that win8 does perform better than win7 in front of and in the background.
But the fact is that metro is not only useless but annoying to use and whenever you activate a desktop icon in metro it automatically bounces to desktop ? Its like double handling, where win8 has created an extra step for itself for no reason.
The metro design is purely for touch screen devices like mobiles and tablets not laptops or desktops. I think it would be best for MS if it gave customers a choice to switch on or off metro, the start button or any other major feature and then when their ready, they can access it later or not.
Unfortunately the principal of build it and they will come does not always work 100% of the time. But if you build something and piss your customers off then you should never ignore them most of the time. I just hope that MS is not rearranging the deck chairs on its flag ship.

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FireGarden

I agree. Metro on a desktop or laptop is the most pointless thing ever. It's for touch screen devices only and serves no purpose elsewhere. Why MS thought they should force it upon everyone is beyond belief. On my Windows 8 boot, I installed Start 8 to add back the start menu and boot straight to desktop. With that, Windows 8 is perfectly usable. Why can't Microsoft listen to it's customers? I haven't used Metro in months and I don't care to.

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Paper Jam

Address meanderer's complaint that Win8 won't allow him to use his dual screen setup how he wants, and kris79's problems with Win8 not allowing his Win7 programs to work.

Even you, being a Win8 fan, have to admit that if you want to use your desktop in a traditional sense (that is to say having multiple windows open on screen for easier transcription, file transfers, drag and drop, etc.), that you cannot live in the Metro UI. One window open on screen at a time is very smartphone/tablet centric. Metro should be its own separate independent OS, because it was clearly developed only with small form factor, touch screen devices in mind. And then MS slapped it on the desktop version of Windows to push their unified UI as to bolster their weak mobile sales.

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pastorbob

+1

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FoolOfAGuy32

Thank you! People are scared of change, which is fine... as long as you work through it! I've been on Win8 since around December, and have had a few issues, and definitely a learning curve. Having said that, I look at it like this: the start menu is not gone, it is just bigger. You still access it by hitting the windows key. It still has everything you need, it is just bigger. Win7 worked fine, as did XP, but 8 improves on enough that I wouldn't go back.

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PCWolf

FoolOfAGuy32, If i went to your car, took out the steering wheel, replaced the Dashboard with a touch screen, & made you steer using a touch screen slide bar, & replaced the Gas/Brake pedals with touch screen buttons, & made it so that if you wanted to see your speed, tachometer & gas indicators, you have to exit the steering screen to view your speed, would you want to drive that car just because it was "New & different"?

Or would you want your old steering wheel & Brakes/Gas pedals back as they were? I would not want to drive that car! I'm not afraid of change, I Simply dont like or need Windows 8. If i was afraid of change, I would still be on Windows 98 SE. Windows 8 offers me NOTHING that I need at this time. I don't have a Touch Screen Monitor, so I don't need it. USB 3 is handled by a NEC Chip, & does not need Windows 8 to work. If it ain't broke, DON'T FIX IT! You like Windows 8, Fine, but don't force others to like it just because you do. I refuse to Follow where Microsoft wants to lead me. That's for iSheep. If that's your style, go buy a Mac.

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FireGarden

+1,000,000

Excellent point. Change can be both good and bad. The changes MS has made to the UI are bad and hinder productivity for serious computer users.

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beta212

Personally I'm okay with win8, and what irks me is not the start menu is gone, but the search menu is so hard to access. Searching in start was one of the main things I did, and now it either needs a crl+f or you have to use the charms bar, which also seems to appear when not wanted when trying to close a window. Other than that, the boot time is awesome and the memory use is down a lot.

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FoolOfAGuy32

When you get to the Start Screen in Win8 just start typing - you don't actually have to go to the Charms bar and click search, as soon as you start typing on the keyboard it automatically opens search for you!

As a side note, that is actually one mouse click less than searching in Win7... :P

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beta212

Thanks

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

It's funny when Microsoft employees troll for the web on damage control duty.

Fuck Windows 8. Fuck Steve Ballmer. Fuck paying Microsoft rent to use your computer.

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PCWolf

+5 Internets

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pastorbob

It's even funnier when the only response a person can come up with is to accuse those who disagree with them of being trolls and working for the company in question. Seems to be the typical response of most mental midgets on the Web.

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anc51699

I wish I worked for Microsoft, that would be one sweet job to have...

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PDX-1337

Could not agree more...

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Cleaver

Hear Hear!

I don't own a Windows 8 system, but working in an environment where Windows 8 has become prevalent I can positively say that Windows 8 is not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. It will take some time on first startup to customize the start screen to within acceptabel specs for a power user but it won't be that hard, and every update I get on Windows Blue makes it sound like the package overall will get much better.

While I miss the start button, both the Power User menu and the cusomisability of the Start screen (which is sure to improve) help me over that.

Although, a most excellent feature would be to have the ability to pin shortcuts to the Power User menu. How kickass would that be?

Anyway. the other thing I am not a fan of in Windows 8 is the lack of aero, but the reason Microsoft axed that is because Aero will EAT ALL OF YOUR SYSTEM RESOURCES. Not a huge deal to the power users who frequent MaxPC but for your average $350-desktop user who are stuck with a Pentium proc and 4-6GB of memory, Aero eating spare resources can be a huge deal. I am sad to see it go, but Win8 runs considerably lighter on computer resources without it.

I'm not over my love affair with Windows 7, but my next computer build will be using Windows 8, assuming I don't have to build a computer with specific compatibility issues in mind. And assuming I actually build a computer within Windows 8's life cycle. I'm quite satisfied with my 1090T, even though it is a few years old ;)

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Fray

Try this video. It rather clearly goes over many of the problems with Windows 8:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYet-qf1jo

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Granite

The person who made that video is an idiot. He makes the same mistake so many others make: He thinks the Modern UI is Win8.

The Modern UI is PART of Win8, but Win8 is so much more.

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Cleaver

Fray, after watching the first 7 minutes of that video it's pretty clear the guy has no actual grasp of how to use Windows 8.

Yes, it's different. Yes, it has an undeniable learning curve. I assume his comments about the computer doing things out of your control is the result of him using the touchpad on his laptop to get around, which is the worst way to be using the system (for some reason, Microsoft thought it would be a good idea to have laptop touchpads emulate the actions of a touchscreen in the context of swiping in from the side, which was actually one of the most godawful changes thay actually did put into the system.)

Edit: I was right, that's how he was fucking up. Don't use the touchpad on Windows 8, he's absolutely right about that. Plug in a mouse like normal people, including normal mobile people.

Unusable? No. User-hostile? Not really. It's just.... different. Once learned, its much much much better than most people first realize.

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Fray

I like the normal desktop. I liked the widgets before they disabled them.

I don't want to have to click extra keys that I didn't need to click in Windows 7.

I don't want to scroll through loads of rectangles instead of having a nice dektop picture and a few handy folders when I turn on the computer.

Metro is a useless, horrible UI, just as the guy says in that video.

It's unintuitive, confused and ugly.

It's a blatant bait and switch to try and wean us onto buying our apps through the Microsoft store.

I will keep protesting Metro for desktops and I will keep protesting the ridiculous posts such as the ones above that claim Windows 8 isn't as bad as people say on these message boards.

It is exactly as bad as that.

You can market your yellow snow as lemon sorbet as much as you like, but the taste is awful and we will do our best to select better frozen desserts.

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beta212

Hmm, I hated the widgets. But I agree with you with all the other issues.

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anc51699

"I like the normal desktop. I liked the widgets before they disabled them."
-You can get apps in the Store that can place Tiles into the Start Screen that act like Win7 Widgets if you like

"I don't want to have to click extra keys that I didn't need to click in Windows 7."
-Name some examples, please. I've only run into 2-3 cases where I needed just one extra mouse click to do something.

"I don't want to scroll through loads of rectangles instead of having a nice dektop picture and a few handy folders when I turn on the computer."
-You control how many tiles are on your start screen. You can have as many or as few as you want.

"Metro is a useless, horrible UI, just as the guy says in that video."
-...

"It's unintuitive, confused and ugly."
-Again, you're responsible for how it looks

"It's a blatant bait and switch to try and wean us onto buying our apps through the Microsoft store."
-No one is forcing you to buy apps from the store.

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TrollBot5000

"I like the normal desktop. I liked the widgets before they disabled them."
-You can get apps in the Store that can place Tiles into the Start Screen that act like Win7 Widgets if you like FUCK WALLED GARDENS.

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Fray

-You can get apps in the Store that can place Tiles into the Start Screen that act like Win7 Widgets if you like.

I could get them them? You mean I could BUY them?

Actually I couldn't.

They would go into Metro, not onto the desktop.

I don't want to buy stuff for a useless screen-filling "start screen."

It was originally called "Windows" with an 's' because in the desktop environment you can have have lots of Windows open to work on at once. I can see open ones on the taskbar at the bottom and I can open and close them as I like. With a start button I can find a new app without closing the open one or having to type a 'shortcut.'

The idea of regressing to a single "Window" paradigm with these huge screen-filling retarded apps is insane.

-I've only run into 2-3 cases where I needed just one extra mouse click to do something.

One extra mouse click, and more particularly, one extra keyboard key click, is one too many. If you have a tiny TOUCH screen then Metro might be OK (although I wouldn't buy it now as I hate it so much).

-You control how many tiles are on your start screen. You can have as many or as few as you want.

I don't need it!!!!

I liked the way my Windows 7 looked. I liked the widgets. I like having nice images for my wallpaper. I don't want these full-screen Metro apps. I don't like the rectangles. They look horrible.

-Again, you're responsible for how it looks

That's why I installed Classic Shell so I don't have to see it.

-No one is forcing you to buy apps from the store.

Not yet. But they have already degraded the desktop experience (the widgets and the start button) as they work to pressure us into their bullshit UI design and get us suckling off the Microsoft teat.

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