AMD Quietly Slashes A-Series APU and FX Series CPU Prices Following Ivy Bridge Launch

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JohnP

http://paulisageek.com/compare/cpu/

CPU price/performance chart. AMD definitely rules here.
It's really funny that the BEST price/performance chip is an Intel Celeron chip and the WORST one is a Intel Celeron chip both at about the same clock speed!

The list of the most powerful processors tho is all Intel:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

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kixofmyg0t

You actually said something positive about AMD in a sentence.

That is the last sign of the apocalypse.......

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JohnP

Surprised me also. I was sure that the price/performance chart would be skewed towards the more powerful CPUs, but AMD kicked ass in pretty much all of the chart. Some of the AMD chips are downright bargains. I am still drawn towards those kick ass powerful CPUs tho, and I have just had too much bad luck with AMD CPUs in the past to trust them much anymore (problems getting stuff to run, missing or late hardware drivers, and poor o/c)

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Rift2

I was going to go with Intel but heck with it I always had luck with AMD.
Ivy Bridge didn't do anything for me except having to spend 400.00+ on a new MB and processor which isn't worth it.

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JohnP

I am amazed that the "CLOCK SPEED RULZ!" mentality is still around. That rule of thumb was knocked on its ass, oh, about 10 years ago. No, just because your CPU does XXXXX GIGAHERTZ! makes it a microprocessor that can run programs quickly. Benchmarks amply prove this again (and again and again). If you have a 6 year old processor that STILL GOES THIS FAST! does not mean that it is even closely equivalent to a modern CPU.
An example? My friend does astrophotography and needed a laptop to bring into the observatory as regular computer hard drives don't like -10 degrees. We put our heads together and came up with a middling Sandy Bridge CPU laptop whose clock speed was only half of one of his old Pentium 4s in the house. He was flabbergasted (yes, I am showing my age) to find that he could do his photo work in half the time on his laptop. "But my computers CPU runs THIS FAST XXXXXXX GHZ!" Upshot was that he quadrupled + his photo processing ability when I gave him my i7-2600K SB computer (which was still below his Pentium 4 clock speed).
Too many of the reviews here are of the type "I can buy THIS CHIP that will o/c to XXXXXXX GHZ!" like you are crazy smart. Yes, buying just enough CPU for your needs is fine but I am not impressed, Intel or AMD, with just your clock speed, o/c, or number of cores. Simply not that good a reference point any more.

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devin3627

there is cache size... if you have a lot of cache size you dont need a lot of FSB in your ram.

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Hilarity

Still sticking with AMD. I have a 965 I've OC to 3.8GHz and upped the northbridge to 2.4GHz. Will wait for Piledriver. At 1080p I will not buy Intel even though I can easily afford it, it isn't required. I'll be more than likely picking up a new GPU this month though from AMD. Go ahead and spend on Intel even though its completely unnecessary.

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SevWarfare

I bought an FX 8120 retail @ a B&M for $149.99 + tax. Now it's sitting in my side rig humming away at 4.4GHz stable.

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yu119995

I'm probably going to wait for Steamroller before upgrading again (currently on 970BE and loving it).

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Supall

With Piledriver supposedly coming out later this year, it would be better to hold off on upgrading an existing AM3-socket CPU and see what happens. What I like about AMD is that you do not need a new motherboard to upgrade the CPU. And with games still reliant on the GPU, why bother with Intel when you're still using a compatible AM3-socket PC?

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dgrmouse

If you have an AM3 MB, you probably bought it AFTER Sandy Bridge was released.

There is pretty much nothing positive left to say about AMD right now, and the price reductions are way too little, way too late.

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yu119995

I don't agree. There are plenty of Phenom II x4's and x6's with competitive enough prices that it's very hard to say no to an AMD build, if only to gain a much superior GPU with the total savings.

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yu119995

Couldn't agree with you more.

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Refuge88

So far the only thing AMD has going for it is sucess in heavily threaded performance.

Which is great for those that work in those areas most, but even so, 8 threaded software isn't wildly standard currently.

But as a gamer nothing beats Intel. 2500k rules my world.

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I take that back they still have Intel beat in graphics, but as a gamer I go for nVidia anyhow. While nVidia isn't winning by a landslide currently, its only because they are holding their golden egg until they need to release it.

Which makes me unhappy with the company itself, because they are selling a mid range card for the price of a top end monster. Even if it is fitting the bill currently I think its a greedy move.

But while I'm irratated by this, I can't really be mad as I would probably do the same thing. It's business afterall...

Not a fanboy, but I am a bit Biased towards nVidia. Just bad experiances with ATI personally. Never had any problems with my nVidia cards, and currently they are top dog.

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yu119995

"But as a gamer nothing beats Intel. 2500k rules my world."

Pretty convincing but I think I can best it. A PII 965 is more than enough CPU to run games at optimal performance. Why? Well the i5 2500k retails for about $240. The 965? About $115. That's a savings of $125 so far. Throw in the mobo and you're saving anywhere from an additional $50-$100 for something comparably equipped. Total savings? Up to $225. That could be the difference between getting a GTX 560ti or a GTX 680 (7970 over a 6970 for AMD cards). Don't get me wrong. The i5 2500k is an incredible CPU but I'd rather upgrade the GPU with those savings at that point.

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Phoenix_Jones

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354589

Just saved you 60 bucks, bromigo =]

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dgrmouse

@Yu: I've priced it out, and it's possible to build an i5 2400 box for roughly the same money as the out-of-date, end-of-life, no-longer-made, no-upgrade-path system you recommend from a company that has publicly announced that they will no longer attempt to compete in performance with the market leaders. The motherboard price argument so often argued is a fallacy, and Intel is a better choice for gamers at EVERY SINGLE PRICE POINT, all the way down to the sub-$100 chips.

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yu119995

"Ive priced it out, and it's possible to build an i5 2400 box for roughly the same money"

I was citing the i5 2500k (the overclock is important for this comparison) but you chose the 2400. Let's try pricing these out:

CPU's PII 965BE (OC capable) vs. i5 2400 (locked)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57964&vpn=BX80623I52400&manufacture=Intel - $204
http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=46281&vpn=HDZ965FBGMBOX&manufacture=AMD&promoid=1058 - $115

There's a $90 difference right there.

MOBO's
i5 2400 - http://ncix.com/products/?sku=69881&vpn=Sabertooth%20Z77&manufacture=Others&promoid=1205 - $250

PII 965 - http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61765&vpn=SABERTOOTH%20990FX&manufacture=ASUS&promoid=1205 - $195

These are both ASUS Sabertooth boards. A difference of $55. There's a total savings of $145. Where's the fallacy? Numbers don't lie.

"the out-of-date, end-of-life, no-longer-made, no-upgrade-path system you recommend from a company that has publicly announced that they will no longer attempt to compete in performance with the market leaders"

Interesting. You're aware of the fact that AM3+ mobo's allow for both AM3+ and AM3 based CPU's. That means your mobo will be compatible with at least Piledriver, taking you into early-to-mid 2013 before you may need to upgrade for Steamroller (depending on whether or not there's a change in the CMOS fabrication process forcing a change in socket). That's also assuming that you feel the need to upgrade altogether.

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dgrmouse

People are smart enough to go to Newegg or whatever and price parts themselves. USB 3 / SATA3 socket 1155 boards from quality manufacturers, like Gigabyte, start at about $60. These will host everything from the cheapest Sandy Bridge Celeron (~$40) to the latest Ivy Bridge powerhouses. If your CPU budget is locked around the price of the outdated CPU you're suggesting, then you're also in the price range of the i3 2120 which has repeatedly benchmarked as a much better CPU for a gamer.

Right now, Intel is a better choice than AMD for gamers at any price point.

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warptek2010

My FX-8120 so far has run every title I've thrown at it without a hiccup, so did my Phenom II 1100T... this is WITHOUT any overclock and all eye candy turned up at a res of 1920 x 1080 mind you... granted my video card (Radeon HD 6950) is pretty powerhouse but the point is... if you think AMD cpu's are weak when it comes to gaming think again.

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irishsj

My last Nvidia was the 8800 GTS 640mb. Since then I have had a 4870 X2 and a 2gb 5850 from ATi/AMD. The 4870 X2 wasnt the best but the 5850 is solid. When the GTX 670 comes out, I will look at that and the 7950 and compare which will be the best bang for the buck for the next 2 years or so. I'm jealouf of your 2500k. I have had a Q9550 since 08 and am gonna get the 3570k in the next month or so.

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irishsj

Ivy Bridge launched? On Monday, right? Could have fooled me. Whats today Friday? I've checked newegg a few times this week including today and dont see any Ivy Bridge processors.

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digitaldoc77

Despite using AMD chips in desktops for years now (Athlon XP 2800+, Athlon 64 3800+, Athlon X2 5200+, and Phenom II 945), I still think if I was buying a new chip today, I would turning to the Intel parts.

I truly hope that Piledriver narrows the gap, but the current 8150 chip, currently over $200, does not offer a compelling enough performance bump to ditch my current rig which is 2 years old.

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dgrmouse

I haven't been able to recommend AMD with any vigor since Core 2, and it's going to get worse before it gets better. They have publicly announced that they are forfeiting the performance wars, so I don't expect big things from piledriver or anything else they push in the future. They have also lost the edge in pricing, and represent a significantly worse value at every single price point than their counterparts. No thanks.

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livebriand

It depends - for instance, some of my family members have Pentium 4 machines that are ready to be replaced (just used for web browsing), and I've thought about building machines with AMD APUs for them. For instance, my netbook has an E350, and Intel Atom netbooks suck in comparison. That said, for a gaming machine, I'd definitely get an Intel processor.

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yu119995

"They have also lost the edge in pricing, and represent a significantly worse value at every single price point than their counterparts. No thanks."

Except I've already proven that you're wrong.

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Roguecat911411

First off you have proven nothing, you haven't sited sources, just quoted prices. You have not posted performance values for the CPU that you are arguing for or the Intel chip. I'm tired of reading your fanboy posts.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

if you look there the i3-2xxx series is in the same price range and either about the same as the processor you endorse (2 points lower but also $5.00 less is the i3-2120 vs PII 965 which).

As for your Sabortooth comparison, I'm not sure whether you even looked at the board but the Intel edition has more features and benefits (dust shielding, future thunderbolt compatibility, switchable graphic control, etc) from it and as stated before you can get decent Gigabit, Asus and other great brands for the same price points as the AMD counter parts.

Finally the Socket 1155 is being used for the newer Ivy Bridge CPUs as well so amd no longer is the only company that can tout compatibility. Sure it may not be a permanent thing but still it's a good start in a good direction. I will admit that it is kind of lame to have to get a newer motherboard every so often but then you get the benefit of newer tech too.

If you are going to bash another brand or someone else beliefs please do it with actual proof not just blind claims of better money savings. Also please stop posting on every post that you disagree with. once is enough if someone responds then go for it but it's annoying to have to sift through repeated posts that don't add anything to the discussion.

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limitbreaker

I don't agree with you either, I recently built a new machine for a friend and it came down to chosing the i5 2500k or a 8120fx. I wanted to recommend going with Intel but it was impossible considering the price difference between the two was 100$ which would have been a hugea hit to the videocard he got. With the lowest end of the 9series chipset he's still getting tons of features more than the Intel motherboard he would have payed 60$ more for.

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Roguecat911411

See that's cool I can respect that and yes for the price of an 8120fx and the i5 2500k, I would go for it too. But for an old phenom II vs an i5 I would rather get the i5 and wait 2 weeks for my next payday and order a decent video card and use my current one in the mean time.

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yu119995

I'd still stick with AMD. The price gap is large enough that the upgrade in the GPU is worth the "hit" in CPU performance.

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