AMD Hires J.P. Morgan to "Explore Options," Including an Outright Sale

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Laptop Adapters...

It is really a good way to help them go ahead.

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Ghost XFX

A lot of short sightedness on here right now. Haven't you heard? EVERY WEALTHY ORGANIZATION in the U.S. is looking at their options before Obama drops the hammer on them. Tax the rich, he says, tax the rich will bring back economic stability, he cries. Right about now, Intel is likely looking at their options as well. Nobody wealthy or organization is exempted. This is what happened when you vote for a turd as your leader.

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someuid

So what you're saying is that if we cut taxes for the rich, the companies they run will go on a hiring spree?

Yeah, I've never seen that happen, ever, and we've seen a lot of tax cuts for the rich over the last several decades.

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Andrew.Hodge

Absolutely true. When the smaller companies can't afford to hire american workers, they will die off. Larger companies will then buy them for their patents and fire the employees, creating monopolies. They will then pass the cost of the healthcare they are required to provide to their few american employees on to the consumer as well as jacking up the prices due to a lack of competition.

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Carlidan

Wonder where you read that from? Independent studies show that tax cuts for the rich DO NOT create jobs. Plain and Simple. If you want me to send you studies after studies that prove that myth. Just reply to my comment.

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Andrew.Hodge

This isn't something that I've read. It's just an observation. My father works in chicken houses. Because he technically makes more than 250 000 dollars a year, these tax hikes will destroy him. Why? Because the actual take- home for him is about 30 000. The rest goes into operational costs such as diesel for the tractor and electricity for the cooling fans that have to run nearly 24/7 (he lives in laurel, MS, a pretty hot and humid place).he is considering selling to a larger grower because he simply can't maintain the operation after the tax hike. In the same town, there's my dad's cousin. He owns a medium sized business. Same story.

I just moved to vegas. Here, it's almost impossible to get a job. My wife has been looking since we got here, and since the election the only reply she gets is "I'm sorry, but we aren't hiring anymore. We are having to restructure to offset the costs of new government regulations coming down the pipes." This is affecting me personally, because I had no choice but to move because of my job, and now my wife is only working part time due to her job not transferring correctly. She needs a new job and can't find one. We have bills to pay and no money to pay them with.

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Carlidan

I'll post the labor statics.

First off everyone tax will go up. People with making median income will see a tax hike of at least 2000 dollars. Government will always get it's money to keep it running. It's just a matter who you want to tax? The rich or poor or middle class. There is no in between. Since the 1% have increased their wealth dramatically over the past 30 years and the middle class and poor have gone declined in wealth the past 30 years. Wouldn't you think the rich should go back to the Clinton tax rates. It's not even that much compared to Nixon,FDR,Bush 1,or any previous president. Now what the president wants to do, is tax only people who make more than 5 million and up and keep the tax cuts for people below that. That would be your dad income bracket and you. Reason you can't find a job is not because of job creators need tax cuts to create jobs. That's BS and everyone knows it. It's just money that they pocketed. Reason's why job creators hire is that they need them to increase their production period.

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Carlidan

FFS really the website site link triggers a spam.

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Andrew.Hodge

Absolutely true. When the smaller companies can't afford to hire american workers, they will die off. Larger companies will then buy them for their patents and fire the employees, creating monopolies. They will then pass the cost of the healthcare they are required to provide to their few american employees on to the consumer as well as jacking up the prices due to a lack of competition.

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tekknyne

This guy isnt a GOP-Tea-Bagger fear mongering tool or anything I swear. You should just secede with the rest of the extremist uneducated and do us all a favor. I hear Somalia is nice this time of year and really friendly to lucrative business endeavors. You might even get to keep you pinky finger.

You should take the 1% nutts out yo mouf cause theyr'e never going to reward your blind loyalty.

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Ninjawithagun

Don't forget about corporate greed too! Larger corporations such as Intel could in fact absorb both the cost of the new tax code AND the new Obama Care plan. So why are all of the large companies crying foul? Plain and simple. Greed. Larger corporations want to line their pockets with as much profit as possible and give as little to the employees as possible. This is part of what's wrong with America today. I have nothing against a company making money - the main reason to run it in the first place - duh! But, once that company (specifically board members and CEO) begin to make decisions based on what's best for their personal financial benefit and no longer care about employees or shareholders is when things begin to fall apart.

And yes, the current administration's upcoming policy on taxing the wealthy (those with an annual net income of $250,000/year or more) is NOT going to fix the economy. Some would agree that any revenue gained from this is negligible. I would have to agree. What needs to be done is for all the tax laws to be rewritten so that larger corporations and rich individuals can NOT use tax loopholes to get tax breaks on capital gains and other hidden financial profits. Effected parties would no longer get a free ride on the tax loophole train.

Until our common sense defeats our greed, we will be stuck in this huge mess called our economy...

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tekknyne

+1. Maximizing Shareholder value is undeniably the dumbest idea in the world.

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Xenite

I would really love to know where the cash goes. AMD has solid sales with ATI graphics cards, it's CPU's are still popular among enthusiasts and they hold a commanding headlock on supplying the console gaming industry with chips.

They have chips in the 360 and Wii. Not to mention they will be supplying the next gen consoles as well.

I use AMD/ATI in all my builds, my current gaming rig is running a nice setup and it blows away Intel rigs in price to performance.

Think AMD needs new leadership.

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John Pombrio

Pretty much no to all of these points. NVidia is eating AMD's lunch on discrete graphics cards and REALLY hammering AMD on the GPUs for supercomputers.
AMD is way behind Intel in selling to both the consumer and business crowds for CPUs for laptops, PCs, and servers. They have a market for low end chips but they are not very profitable.
It's not just the COO, its the lack of compelling products. They simply lost the race.

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livebriand

I actually think a lot of AMD's GPUs are a better buy than Nvidia's, and they seem to have lower TDPs as well. In the mid-range and lower markets, AMD simply has better options IMO. Their APUs are nice as well.

That said, the high TDP on Vishera (and the fact that they don't have anything more than Trinity on laptops) doesn't help things.

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Hilarity

Not surprised. You make shit products, this happens. I wouldn't touch any of AMD's current (and more than likely, future) CPU's for free. Crap, through and through. For GPU's, I've deliberately switched to Nvidia. AMD has nothing to offer me. If they die out, I'll continually using Intel anyway.

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Xenite

Ahh it's the customary uninformed douche-bag....welcome.

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B.A.Frayd

He's not a douche, he's just a very typical short-sited individual who doesn't see the bigger picture. AMD products are not shit, by the way. Their GPUs are just as fast as Nvidia, but their CPUs are underpowered compared to Intel.

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Andrew.Hodge

That last part is only true depending on the software you are running.

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warptek2010

Good for you, douchebag. AMD's products are NOT crap and you should be thanking them for actually being just about the only competition to Intel. Unless of course you would prefer to bend over and pay Intel whatever they want to charge you for their product.

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dgrmouse

For CPUs, buying AMD is stupid for almost any price range or application. A product that requires its purchaser be stupid is fairly called crap.

And yet again, you tell us that we're indebted to AMD for fighting the good fight with Intel. Can you provide any real evidence whatsoever that Intel's prices are in any way tied to AMD's? Or is this just more of the same brilliant economic advice that suggested everyone buy AMD stock last time it dipped because it could only go up from there?

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Andrew.Hodge

The massive price gouging after bulldozer released and assholes such as yourself decided single threaded performance was all that mattered anymore... Excellent proof that AMD has a profound affect on Intel's prices. Oh yeah, my 8150 and 7770s push BF3 across three screens beautifully and render on luxrender like a beast while leaving me enough money to actually drive to work with. I wouldn't call that stupid by any stretch of the imagination.

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Mediziner

NUU!!!!!!! AMD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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tweeve

I hope AMD weathers this well, as I am looking at going AMD when I build my next rig. Those Piledriver chips are nice.

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Keith E. Whisman

And if your looking to eke out every last drop of performance your going to need to run Windows 8 on that AMD Machine.
;)

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lordfirefox

Nope. Windows 7.

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Andrew.Hodge

Honestly, right now this is all speculation. AMD may be in a hole, but they are clawing and fighting with all they have in them, and it is showing. Piledriver may be inferior to ivy, but they have shown that they are doing everything they can to push up performance, and with MS now supporting ARM and AMD getting ahead of the game on Intel in that front, their outlook isn't half bad. I find comfort in that fact. All of that being said, I doubt anyone would really want to buy AMD, because that would mean declaring war on Intel. I mean, if you knew someone who needed help in a fight and could get something from it, would you still jump in the ring if you found out it was andre the giant they were fighting?

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Paper Jam

Apple is big enough to go to war with Intel. And as even more incentive, Samsung did just jack up the price of chips they were selling to Apple (Apple's own fought for biting the hand that feeds). An outright purchase of AMD would give Apple an ARM fab and processors and graphics for their Macbooks.

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John Pombrio

AMD HAS NO FABS!

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Andrew.Hodge

I keep seeing horribly incorrect statments like that all over this site. That, coupled with some terrible grammar makes me wonder if I am on a real computer enthusiast site at all, or if I'm just watching a bunch of middle-schoolers yelling at each other. Tom's hardware is looking pretty appealing right about now.

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yu119995

Interesting. That could just work although I would hope that Apple would allow them to continue making CPU's for the x86 platform. I've been using AMD since 2000.

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USraging

Depends on if you are hulk hogon.

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Andrew.Hodge

Lmfao

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TrollBot5000

I'd just like to add that it was AMD that made it so Intel couldn't charge whatever they wanted for chips back in the 80s. Is history doomed to repeat itself? I hope not. I7s going up to the 600-700 dollar range I5s in the 400-500s and I3s in the 250-350 range. Yes I'm just speculating at something that probably won't happen but in a worst case scenario that AMD does in fact bite the dust down the road yes that would leave Intel to get lazy and jack up the prices. As cig said yes in the desktop space AMD is just flat out inferior for the price margin. If you could get a 8 core for like 100 bucks then that would be different. lol future article "AMD sells GPU patents to Nvidia"

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tony2tonez

Intel only chips would mostly affect those pc enthusiasts. The majority of market consumers are looking for small and portable. Intels money would be on server chips and desktop chips, but like I said the PC is losing its market to mobility.

My friends laugh when they see my Cosmos 1000 case and say, I thought computers were getting smaller? (and that was 5yrs ago). My friends right there fit in the mobility consumer.

Thats the market that, Samsung, Qualcomm, AMD, ARM, will be fighting over. As people see those smaller products become better and faster, they will question themselves as to why then need a desktop machine at all.

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Peanut Fox

Processors shooting up that much would push a lot of folks onto ARM devices.

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TrollBot5000

From Wikipedia

IBM PC and the x86 architecture
Main articles: Am286, Am386, Am486, and Am5x86

In February 1982, AMD signed a contract with Intel, becoming a licensed second-source manufacturer of 8086 and 8088 processors. IBM wanted to use the Intel 8088 in its IBM PC, but IBM's policy at the time was to require at least two sources for its chips. AMD later produced the Am286 under the same arrangement, but Intel canceled the agreement in 1986 and refused to convey technical details of the i386 part. AMD challenged Intel's decision to cancel the agreement and won in arbitration, but Intel disputed this decision. A long legal dispute followed, ending in 1994 when the Supreme Court of California sided with AMD. Subsequent legal disputes centered on whether AMD had legal rights to use derivatives of Intel's microcode. In the face of uncertainty, AMD was forced to develop clean room designed versions of Intel code.

In 1991, AMD released the Am386, its clone of the Intel 386 processor. It took less than a year for the company to sell a million units. Later, the Am486 was used by a number of large original equipment manufacturers, including Compaq, and proved popular. Another Am486-based product, the Am5x86, continued AMD's success as a low-price alternative. However, as product cycles shortened in the PC industry, the process of reverse engineering Intel's products became an ever less viable strategy for AMD.

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Keith E. Whisman

GPU's are the only thing that's been making money for AMD. It would be just as stupid selling the GPU's to Nvidia as it would to sell it's processor patents to Intel. Both ideas would be bad for the consumer.

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TrollBot5000

Exactly. My post was pretty much tounge in cheek.

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DoctorX

a sad day indeed. I love my 1090T. Plays everything i throw at it.

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cigar3tte

"Caught off guard by weaker than expected demand..."

Management must be terrible. How did they not expect weak demand when their products are inferior but not cheaper enough? Sometimes I really wanted to buy AMD for a cheaper rig, but it's just not that much cheaper to compensate for the performance loss.

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LandM

My guess is the "weaker than expected demand" refers to the loss of market share by desktops and notebooks to smaller mobile devices, rather than loss of market share to Intel within AMD's traditional markets. The traditional PC market segment at this point appears to be at best mature, and could be in outright decline if overall economic activity is weak.

A lot of us enthusiasts are left in the contradictory position of hoping AMD continues to provide some measure of restraint on Intel's pricing and some measure of fire-to-the-butt in pushing Intel's rate of innovation ... while having no real intention of buying an AMD product any time soon.

One would think/hope that IBM, Apple or another company which would benefit from Intel not being a de facto monopoly would step up to the plate at some point, as $3 billion total market value is chump change for these guys. But I can see the x86 licencing dispute being a bit of a wild card.

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T3RR0RH4WK

I'll go down with AMD, should that eventually happen to them. I won't switch to any other platform until the one I've sided with for this long is nonexistent lol. Sometimes riding out the storm is good. Sometimes it's not. Guess we'll all wait and see.

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Dartht33bagger

I've always been an Intel guy, but it sucks that AMD is suffering so much. Without AMD to push Intel, Intel may get lazy in the future.

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tony2tonez

I do agree with that, but its the mobility platform that will be pushing intel, not the desktop PC market. And you have big players in the cellphone and tablet market. While they may get lazy on the PC chips, if they want to be revelent in mobility the other players will be there pushing them along.

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Strhopper

true

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tmattrobinson

Absolutely. That's the bigger picture. Whether someone prefers Intel or AMD is meaningless unless both exist and are thriving. Competition drives innovation, especially in the technology industry. Anyone who loves anything about computers should want AMD to succeed, regardless of whether or not they like their products.

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$m

I, for one, have already jumped the AMD ship and I'm currently sailing in the Intel lifeboat before things really go south.

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I Jedi

I wonder if this will affect ATI in anyway.

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jgottberg

Mmm.. Nah.. I doubt it. :)

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