ACTA Headed For Signing This Weekend

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mseyf

Pretty sweet this is happening so close to election time - send a letter (not email) to your congress critter and let them know if they vote for this piece of crap that they won't be getting your vote come November 2012.

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oihorse

Except they don't get to vote for it.

It bypasses the Congress and Senate completely.

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oihorse

It's disgusting ACTA was brokered in secrecy, and whose secrecy was further protected by our own President.

It's disgusting that these accords are developed in such a way that there is no review or oversight. That I will be judged on laws that were never passed by my elected officials.

It's disgusting that the sole reason for all of this is to protect outdated business models of corporations, rather than they doing any actual innovation.

It's disgusting that they have duped our own government to be a police force for them.

And who pays for it all?

Us, the people that had no voice in the process.

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gendoikari1

Well, it looks like the buggy whip manufacturers can put another set of handcuffs on the consumers...

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kris79

Well said. This whole process assumes that electrons in the form of music, etc. don't depreciate in value, when in fact, everything does. When entropy finally causes the last agitated electron to stop spinning, will we then be allowed to stop tithing our Master$ of the Media.

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zNelson24

I understand the need to halt the trafficing of counterfit products and drugs, but if they get digital media involved, I fear it will spell trouble.

We already live in a society where too few own too much, and worry that ACTA could be used to enforce IP laws and keep people from making dererative works of all kinds. From spontanious (a video of a party with copyrighted music playing in the background), to educational (use of copyrighted works to put together something people learn from), to purely recreational works (stuff you put together for fun, with no reguard for copyright law).

Also, copyright owners (not content creators, but merely owners), always complain about internet piracy being an issue whenever they never look into why people pirate in the first place. A lot of the music put for sale in stores by major labels tend to be expensive crap ($20 dollar discs with only 2 or 3 good songs is not worth paying for). Digital Rights Management also turns people off by controlling how people use content that was already paid for (would you pay $10 for an album that you could only use with certian devices and software, or would you rather get the mp3s off BitTorrent that you could do anything with, for free)? These are some reasons why people pirate, and if organizations like major labels and the Content MAFIAA need ACTA to stay in business, then they shouldn't even be in business, because they cannot provide goods and services that are worth while.

Finnaly, IP enforcement in America is strictly a civil issue, not a criminal one. If an infringement occurs, it should be up to the content owner to act on it, not the government. If I uploaded cool stuff, and other people used it, it would suck if the police sent takedown orders without my consent.

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xXSINS OF WARXx

 

And for that reason I believe we as Americans should practice and fight for our rights before they are entirely stripped away from us. Every large company and corporation and maybe even the U.S. Government themselves only vote and pass laws that benefit themselves and not the people. Even though I really do understand the whole point of copyright, sometimes it seems like more and more companies are jumping on the whole copyright bandwagon and before you know it their going to find a way to copyright the air we breath and charge us a fee for breathing it... just my 0.02

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Keith E. Whisman

People please. Almost all of us so-called enthusiasts have downloaded music, movies, and software that we didn't pay for, don't insult your own intelligence by making nonsense excuses for your theft. I think because its so easy to do from the comfort of your home people dont think they are stealing, they think that the uploader is the thief. Would I be any less a thief if I knowingly purchase your dead mothers recently stolen wedding ring? I'm not the one that stole it. Reading posts that justify stealing really depress the hell out of me and lower my impression and expectation of the younger crowd.

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praack

I echo the sentiment that theft is theft,

not sure that this act will do anything but put the reach of ou digital millenium act to the rest of the western bloc and it's allies. interesting that the areas of the world well known for counterfieting and illegal downloading are not part of the signing or ever were in the negotians - china, india, malaysia, any of the eastern european countries...

here;s a list I pulled from the US gov't site with the announcment on the upcoming signing

Australia, Canada, the European Union (EU) and its Member States, represented by the European Commission and the EU Presidency (Belgium), Japan, Korea, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore, Switzerland and the United States of America.

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Holly Golightly

I am still outraged. What corporations need to do is give up the greed and get with the times. ACTA is not going to be adopted world-wide. Whenever some Russian site has an illegal download, I am there downloading. If not, there is always Chinese websites, but I would need to learn the language first, as right now I only speak 3 languages. Either way, end of capitalistic greed!

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dmonkyking

Is there really this many stupid people in this country who think socialism is wonderful?  I have news for you, no one owes you anything and forcing someone to give you something you never were entitled to (as is the case in socialism) is immoral.  You leftist with your misguided "caring" hearts have no idea what real compassion is, because your answer is to take from someone else and to give to another, because that's obviously fairer.  Taxing corporations to death, because you think they have too much is the reason WHY there is so many out of work people.  You are not the moral authority and if a business wants to take all their money and freaken sleep with it that's none of your concern now is it?  These same corporations that have made available all the convenience you take for granted are now some how vilified because they built a business to make money, not to start a charity.  But of course, you admitting how you download whatever you want pretty much shows who the immoral one here is, and it isn't the corporations.  Of course businesses do things I don't like and also do greedy things, but I vote with my wallet if I don't like something and I'm adult to know that life isn't all about what I want and think I deserve, that's childish. 

Also, all you socialist always use capitalism as your big bogyman, but somehow forcing money out of other people's pockets is the "moral" thing to do though.  I mean heaven forbid that someone is allowed to reap what they sow, how evil!  Oh, and there is a big difference between true capitalism and crony capitalism, so please don't mix up the two.  But I will give you one thing, socialism does make everyone equal, well, equally poor and beholden to the state, but still. 

But I'll forgive you for being so ignorant, because you probably are young and haven't yet figured out how the real world works and how wishing for rainbows and ponies for everyone doesn't actually make it come true.  That people should be free to pave their own path and pursue their own happiness without the government or other entities telling them otherwise.  That although it's unfortunate that there are poor people in this country, only through capitalism has the standard of living for people in this country increased to the point where even the poorest of people are rich compared to other countries.  Where even the homeless a lot of times have a place to go for a hot meal or where even the change they pick up off the street can buy them something to eat at the multitudes of groceries stores we have.  Compare that to other nations where there isn't any food or clean drinking water and I think I'd rather be poor in this country than anywhere else.  

But considering all of this went in one ear and out the other I'll just call myself a corporate shill, capitlistic pig dog, heartless, etc, etc so you don't have to.

Also, I don't support the ACTA, because I think it's unconstitutional.  But it's the government who makes these laws, not businesses.

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Keith E. Whisman

"capitalistic greed" is what built the us. Look at the Amazing American way of life, even the poorest among us are relitively comfortable with most every luxery enjoyed by even the homeless in some cases. If capitalistic greed is bad then what the hell do you think good is, the Taliban?

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Holly Golightly

Only an idiot would claim that the homeless are enjoying luxury. Luxury of what? Of not having a home or car to sleep in? Real genius dude.

It is capitalistic greed that will outsource your job to China and Mexico. It is capitalistic greed that made America fall into a recession. It is capitalistic greed that people can no longer afford and education, housing, or medical care.

Taliban is political group, not a regime. Their ideology is Islamic, and I am not to question it, because I am not religous. I am a socialist. I believe in helping out our fellow man. Giving the poor an opportunity. Where nobody pays taxes at all. Where everyone is equal. If it were the 1950s, I would be a capitalist no doubt. Everyone had jobs. Outsourcing never existed. Owning a home was a realistic dream for the working (middle class) man. Now, hard workers can not even catch up with their rent. This is this new level of poverty called "the working poor" which is people who make a yearly income, but can not afford anything but the bare necessities. They often live home with their parents. Usually in the basement. Should their parents die, they too would be homeless... But with jobs. Hence, working homeless.

You need a better understanding of the current economic situation. Our poor do not drive Mercedes Benz and BMWs. They do not live in luxury mansions with their fur coats. These people are hardworking people who may never have a retirement. Capitalism is self-destructive. Thus why America voted for a socialist president. It is time for a change. Lets end the greed.

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Keith E. Whisman

ok let me explain luxury compared to the rest of the world. Homeless in America are fairly healthy, I haven't seen a malnourished homeless man in my life. A lot of homeless have bikes, cellphones, fresh cold beer, clothing, shopping carts full of stuff, nice windshield cleaning tools, cigarettes (how can they afford freaking cigs these days) and they always have shoes on their feet. In contrast the homeless in the rest of the world including Mexico are malnourished, barely clothed and usually not drunk. Do bums in Iraq have cellphones or bikes? Luxuries and this is how I know youare extremely young. you must be under 25 years old.

luxuries are defined as anything that you have that is not necessary to human existance, like having a car, bike, computer, cell phone. All luxuries. Beer and smokes are nice but they are luxuries I dont even indulge in.

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Holly Golightly

Umm, I do not know which state you are in, but here in NYC, homeless bums do not have bikes and cellphones. The homeless in New York buy cigarettes from people who sell them in the streets. They are called "looseys" which mean to buy 1 cigarette from an entire pack. They sell for about 20 cents. Most people usually drop quarters into their cups, so this is why you see them with cigarettes.

Cellphone plans are expensive. At minimum you are going to find them for $60 after taxes. I think you are confusing homeless people with nomads. Nomads are people who make money but they do not own a home or pay for food. They are freegans, so they look like bums, that eat food off the trash. These people make money somehow. Some of them even sleep in their cars. Nomads exists all over the world and are untraceable. In Europe they are known as gypsys. They steal to get their luxuries. As for regular homeless, they are honest people who could not keep up with the greed of capitalism. You are going to see more of them if we can not make wages liveable to today's expenses.

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tekknyne

+1 for having a heart and for openly admitting you are a socialist when Faux News has everyone convinced that it's a bad thing.

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Holly Golightly

Awe, thank you. Believe me, no news will ever change me. 

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DasHellMutt

Got another right here! Actually alot of my ideas are more communist but anyway...

 

This whole situation is a case of greedy corporations trying to preserve dead business models through legislation and litigation rather than innovating their way to profitability.They and those in congress need to get it through their thick, neanderthal skulls that the people WILL have what they want regardless of their unreasonable, minority objections.

 

If you don't make the product I want, I have every right to make it myself. It is your job as the product maker to figure out what I as the consumer want, how to make it, and how to make money off of it. You can't just say "This is the product and this is how you will use it." because I'll just tell you to get bent and go do my own thing.

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Holly Golightly

I am a communist too. However, some conservative republicans/tea party peeps on here go pyscho when seeing a communist helping out a fellow comrade. 

Problems is... Corporations love paying the highest price for litigation and lobbying. They will sue each and every hard working American, and outsource all of our jobs while they pay zero taxes. This is just plain wrong. These are the same people who do not believe that global warming is real, and they support life by supporting the death penalty. These neanderthals are in dire need of evolution. Sadly enough, they out number us in office. But watch, there will be an uprising if nothing changes.

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dmonkyking

Why don't you ask someone who lived through communism and see how much they loved it.  But then again, communism didn't work in those other countries, because the government just didn't kill enough people to perfect their utopian society.  I do find it funny that the only people who talk about how great communism/socialism/marxism is are those people drinking their starbucks and blogging on their iMacs about how moraly superior they are, because they believe in a system that has never worked in principle.  Awesome.

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Holly Golightly

You got it all wrong. First off, I do not own a mac. I do not drink coffee at all, so chance are, I am not in a Starbucks, and lastly... I have not blogged in years. Communism is still alive in China, Cuba, and Vietnam. Problem is, dictators take the good word of communism and twist it in their own evil ways. Read communism from books, history books, and you will see that uptopian society is only real when greed has ended. Greed from the wealthy, and greed from politics just has to end. But let me guess, you are drilling oil in your backyard while you have an iPad in every room of your mansion and wearing a fur coat out of baby seal fur, eating black caviar, and wiping your face with hundred dollar bills. Oh, I must not forget, as you deliver justice to a baby by sending him or her to the electric chair. Yeah, conservatism is outdated. Get with the times or stay in the past.

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Jims45wow

Seriously. Anarchist indignation over other's property is silly. (If we need to visit the timespan for copyrights and patents, I'm cool with that--But, that requires recognizing a party's legal right to their profits.)

What IS serious, and should be laughed at, is the fact that the SCOTUS has ruled that NO treaty may (ever) supercede the U.S. Constitution. We should all get to know that document a little better, and revere it's intents and principles--While we still can.

No fix for the spam, huh? Wonder why business dropped? Aren't you guys computer weenies??? hmmmph.

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Neufeldt2002

From everything that I have heard on this, I have to say Outraged. From what I understand, it's just more draconian laws to prop up old businesses that don't want to adapt, or can't and want to keep money coming in without earning it, at the expense of making normal people criminals.

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Keith E. Whisman

Your argument would make it ok for someone to steal simply because the idea is old so that makes it ok for toyota to start producing trucks labeled as f150's simply because ford has been making that truck way too long. it would be ok for ibm to start producing ipods and selling them with that name because ibm thinks apple has had the name way too long. sure sounds fair to me if I were a commie bastard.

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Neufeldt2002

Obviously I chose my words wrong as that is not what I meant.

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kris79

I can resell that F150 and the ad says "for sale". I can give my friend my iPod with music and he can sell it to buy something else. I can trade a pile of my old records for something I want at a swap meet. What I can't do, however, is buy a CD and copy a song so that I can play it on my iPOD. I can't trade an old Beatles tune over a torrent expecting to get another song in return from someone else - because that's the way it works. In other words, I must always pay for every single identical pattern/batch of electrons from all over the planet that's specifically been repackaged to make me pay more for more copies - forever. At least the F150, or anything material, reduces in value until it is $ZERO$. Thank you Lord. It's all making sense now...

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