Acer Chairman: Tablets Overrated, Ultrabooks Are The Future!

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TechLarry

This guy is being stupid.

Just because the other manufacturers can't compete with Apple doesn't mean they can 'wish' the iPad away, which is what this guy is trying to do.

Dude, build a better mousetrap.   Then they will come.

Ultrabooks.  LOL. 

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praack

people forget the cost factor, tablets were picked up by a lot of younger crowd who already pay for smart phones- once the smart phone interface gets a bit better I expect the tablets to sit unused. I know some people who only use the tablet to look up actors bio's while watching netflix. otherwise it stays home.

netbooks proved too aneamic, tablets are iphone/ galaxies without the phone, and the ultrabook? I really see people going back to laptops. but not paying 800 bucks for the ultrathin.

Who knows - I could be wrong- might turn out to be a mixed bag- no one making the big market share - and no next big fad.

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metalglasses

I never really caught on with the whole tablet thing. I seemed though that alot of people were telling me I should invest in a tablet and ditch my netbook. I like the netbook for what it is worth, my sister used it until the keyboard went to shit and it was an easy fix. I did some shopping around at all three tablet os'es (blackberry,android, and ipad) and after looking at them; what is the difference between my android phone and the android tablet? I'll be sacrifing of making calls for a bigger screen. Whats the point? the same goes to some of those who have a iphone (cool device and am not a mac fananic) and get themselves a ipad. What good does that do? It's the same situation with the android; except in the case it's a itouch with a bigger screen.

What I am trying to say is that the tablet doesn't fit my needs. I am happy doing things with my cell (not as my main PC, thats dumb) that I would be doing with a tablet. But if people need the tablet, they'll buy it more likely than the people who simply want it because of logos (apple). Simply saying, I agree with this article, the market will demand something else sooner or later.

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Neel Chauhan

Tablets are a fad and can't replace PCs. First Microsoft made the tablet concept but it never took off. Then when Apple made the iPad they made a fad that tablets will change your life, but they will lose out and people would forget what a tablet is. Sure tablets are trendy but not full computing devices.

We still need full computers no matter what. You can't type fast, or edit videos, or write programs on a tablet, and Apple can't cut Hollywood because of a fad. Once I used an iPad but it was not as fun as a full computer. Sure an add-on keyboard (or the ASUS transformer) would help but tablets' 10" screen is too small for my standards, and I can't do without roboust multitasking which is only on a full PC not the fad which will fail one day.

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Jono

When simple spills will brick just about any type of notebook... no thanks, give me the tablet!

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mysterymantis

Is this seriously your only argument in favor of tablets v laptops?  That spilling something on it can render it dead?

 

Well, have fun spilling crap all over your overpriced toy, that once you realize that it can't do everything you need, you'll still end up needing an actual computer of some sort, that likely costed about the same as your tablet.

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illusionslayer

>overpriced toy

My Transformer does everything my friends $400 notebook does, games better, doesn't suffer from Windows related problems, and is more portable. 

>costed
Please tell me english isn't your native language.

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mysterymantis

Seriously?  Is this the "weakest counter-arguments ever" thread?  "Oh noes!  Someone made a spelling error!  This means his argument is totally invalid, and I don't need refute it, just point out the error!"

 

That's as weak as saying, "If you spill something on it, it will die!"  Or, "My tablet does everything a notebook can! (Even though anyone with any knowledge what-so-ever would know that to be false.  I don't even need to know what tablet and notebook we are comparing to each other to know that it is false)."  Or even, "Nancy Grace said so!"

 

I can't spell, big friggin deal.  That in no way makes my point less valid, and in no way makes yours more. 

 

Back to the original point of all this, this Acer dude says, "Tablets are not the future."  That would likely be a true statement of any form of current technology.  But for certain things, the end is nigh much sooner than for others.  With their limited functions and their high cost, coulped with the idea that most people will still need a traditional computing device to go along with it, Tablets most certainly are not the future of computing. 

 

Now whether or not Ultrabooks are, I can't say offhand.  I don't know enough about them.  From first glance, it would appear the only real difference in functionality an Ultrabook lacks compared to a notebook is the optical drive.  But since it has usb, then that isn't that big a of a deal.  Pricewise though, I'm gonna guess that they will be expensive, and thus the average consumer will not bother with them.  I'm sure they will have a market, and I'm sure a good chunk of that market is going to come from the tablets.  Maybe not a majority, just the "It's the latest thing and I must have it regardless of whether or not it's practical" chunk.

 

So if you want to still tote around that tablets are the future, then go right ahead.  While your at it, here is the torch for the zip drive, PDA, VR, the horse driven carrage, and printed newspapers. 

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illusionslayer

"Seriously?  Is this the "weakest counter-arguments ever" thread?  "Oh noes!  Someone made a spelling error!  This means his argument is totally invalid, and I don't need refute it, just point out the error!"

 

That's as weak as saying, "If you spill something on it, it will die!"  Or, "My tablet does everything a notebook can! (Even though anyone with any knowledge what-so-ever would know that to be false.  I don't even need to know what tablet and notebook we are comparing to each other to know that it is false)."  Or even, "Nancy Grace said so!"

 

I can't spell, big friggin deal.  That in no way makes my point less valid, and in no way makes yours more."

That was a lot of space to waste on an invalid point. In no way, shape, or form did I even hint at your spelling error invalidating your statement. If you're honestly so insecure that you jump at the chance to defend yourself I reccomend learning how to spell.

"So if you want to still tote around that tablets are the future,"

Again, why are you so eager to put words in my mouth? All I said is that your assessment of tablets as "overpriced toys" is wrong since I, along with anyone else, can get as much work done as they choose.

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twister753

Costed is a real word and was used properly...

 

Also, your Transformer does everything YOU DO on a notebook. And I use an Android phone, I love it, but don't for a second tell me it can game better than a full-size computer. Move along, you obviously don't use a computer for anything more than browsing and playing your little apps.

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illusionslayer

Oh? I thought fractal generation, research, and video editing were a tad more than browsing and "playing apps".

"but don't for a second tell me it can game better than a full-size computer. "
Give this man a medal. He's deduced that a $400 tablet can't game as well as a desktop. Again, show me a netbook or a laptop for $400 that will run as well as a tablet. And since this category is about portability show me one that is as portable as a tablet. i.e. weighs roughly the same and has the same connectivity options.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cost does link to http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/costed but none of the examples in 'costed' actually use the word.

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twister753

Fair enough on the note of costed, my apologies, I concede on that argument.

My argument about gaming as well as overall capability was targeted software more so than software. I was saying that the availability of games on Android, and software as a whole. Research isn't really more than browsing, though it is real work, I'm not one to say you can't get work done on an Android (or any other tablet). Serious video editing cannot be done on Android (from a decent amount of searching I've done). I do not know any purpose for fractal generation, but I am legitimately interested in that. Your notes about portability aren't relevant to what I was talking about. I was saying your friend's $400 notebook can do  worlds more than your tablet due to the amount of software available for it. It can do serious video editing (though slowly, but even at a slow speed, that is still more function) and it has a much wider potential for games than that on Android.

I am sorry that I may have had a bit too much emotion in my last post, I did not think everything out well enough, which was wrong and I apologize. My point about costed falls, but I would argue my point about computers still stands.

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illusionslayer

With the upcoming w8 round of tablets I get windows programs, and with certain tablets I can get linux programs.

I believe you can actually do minimal CAD work with Android, but don't hold me to that.

The lack of video editing apps might be due to the lack of the ability to take decent video since no one on a tablet is really interested in serious video editing. (At least not while on a tablet.)

I generate fractals because I sometimes get just bored enough to feel like writing a script to make me a pretty picture. It's fun explaining the math to dumbfounded friends that see my desktop as well.

I like my tablet because it makes more sense for me. Generally, if I leave my desk for long enough to need something more than my phone it's going to be 7+ hours before I'm somewhere that I have time to plug in to a wall. And even then I can carry the tablet and charger in my pockets rather than a dedicated bag.

Laptop's certainly have a place for those who dislike touch or absolutely have to have some specific program that isn't on the Market, but I don't fit either of those parameters.

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Ghok

I am not the type of person who needs a laptop. I get by just fine on my smartphone (obviously, I don't need to do a lot of typing on the go). A tablet would be good for me (basically just a bigger version of my smartphone), but it'd be a "nice to have" item, and they're a little too expensive right now for that.

A lot of people buy a laptop instead of a desktop PC. I like my PC because it has a solid keyboard and big screens, and that's just better than a laptop. A laptop is pretty much the last thing I need. I'd get a tablet first. But if I needed to use a keyboard a lot, I'd be thinking differently.

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illusionslayer

I hate when people buy laptops for the sole purpose of sitting them on a desk at home.

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Carbon

Tablets are only good to use when sitting on the toliet.

He is right, ultra books are the future, but they will have removable screens to take to the toliet........8)

no one will buy a stand alone tablet in 2 years

 

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chop_slap

On. The. Money.

I live in Saskatoon, Canada and I never see people with iPad's anywhere around here so I have a question...how are these large Pads stored whilst driving, walking or just plain in-between uses? See, I would be worried about scratching, pressing on it too hard in my backpack/murse/etc.... or what if I drop it in the toilet between my legs when I'm on the can because I made a tactless press? I've dropped a book in there in a previous moment in my life, it was a good one too and I remember the moment really sucking hardcore. Now imagine a fancy 600$ Pad.

I would be worrying about it the entire time it's in my immediate possession because they're so breakable. I simply don't want to have to baby something else every moment it's on my person. Put a few scratches on an iWhatever, and it's lost it's beauty, alot like scratching a mint Maserati.

The pads are okay productively in some niche business uses such as showing stuff to clients or gathering info out in the field, being cool, playing during class or sitting on the throne. And YES, they totally do so much amazingly cool "stuff" that has only little use in the real world.

My Palm LifeDrive still does all I want and more and does it quite well. It's a learning remote control (IR)for now ~40+ of mine and others' TV's, DVD players,etc , it browses the web wirelessly on a large screen, tethering, music, videos (no HD), email, texting, ALL MY NES and SNES GAMES. (I play mostly Tecmo Baseball and Paperboy), reads PDF very very well, battery is still doing well. It's almost 7 years old. I've also dropped it out of a moving van and done hundreds of stupid things to it but it keeps rocking on. Bad thing...the 4GB spinning hard drive is slower than molasses relaxing through Einstein's hair on a lukewarm day and a tad small for today's standards.

Another question...don't you people realize you are getting kinda dinged on this deal? Every few months some much more functional iWhatever comes out and makes the previous version all but obsolete. What a waste of a client's and one's own resources. Hopefully the new Apple exec will get it more righter (a shout out to the gammar bees).

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illusionslayer

"Another question...don't you people realize you are getting kinda dinged on this deal? Every few months some much more functional iWhatever comes out and makes the previous version all but obsolete."

Your LifeDrive is in the same "all but obsolete" boat. You know that right? It didn't magically get slower because newer stuff came out and neither will current tablets.

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mysterymantis

Tablets are such a fad.  They are about as useless as a moped is to someone that owns a motorcycle.  They have too limited of functions for their cost.

 

Everyone I ever talk to about them always, and I mean always, refers to them as "neat".  Neat?  400-500 dollars is neat to you?  Becuase to me, at that price, the words practical and very usefull had better be popping in.  (Keep in mind, that none of these people have ever bought a tablet, and have no intention of buying one, but say that they would use it if they had it.)

 

To me, that sounds like how people discribe fads.

 

I did grab up an HP Touchpad during the fire sale.  At 100 bucks, it's kind of neat.  Not useful, seeing as it's only usb port is a micro (That I don't even know if it can be used for anything but charging the device), and has no card slot of any kind, not even micro sd.  From the impression I have of it, it would appear as though these things are intended to railroad the consumer into buying more and more crap to go along with it (Bluetooth keyboard and apps), that the consumer has limited options for choices.  For 400 bucks, I'd much rather have a laptop, with a full OS, optical drive (even though the industry would like for these and physical media to go away, they are still useful to me), at least 2 usb ports (maybe more), HDMI, NIC, card reader (probably SD, which is fairly standard these days), keyboard, and a screen that is at least 60% larger.  This isn't even acounting for how much more powerful it is, for the same price!

 

What did I get with the tablet?  A neat toy, that pales in comparison to every computer I've ever owned, including my first.  But hey, its got a touchscreen, and can web browse. 

 

For 100 bucks, it's not bad.  But I'd have never paid he full price for one of these, becuase it's just not worth the money.

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Ghok

If a moped is a tablet, and a motorcycle is a laptop, then a car is a desktop PC. :)

A motorcycle is better than a moped, but if you just want a quick way to get to the park, it's probably all you need. Until you need to buy some groceries, and you need the space a car has. Neither moped or the motorcycle would be all that useful in that situation.

Different things for different needs.

 

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mysterymantis

Yeah, and using literal interpretation during a metaphore is about the same as trying to use a tablet for all your computing needs, all at the price of something that will.  (and I was referring to the motorcylce being any traditional form of computing, be it laptops or desktops, or anything with at least that level of function).

 

But even so, a motorcylce will also get you to the park quick.  Quicker, really.  As will the car.  I don't see someone paying the same price for a moped as they would for the motorcylce or car they already own (or should have bought instead), just so they have something to ride to the friggin park.  (Altough crap like this does happen, hence, fads).

 

Cost vs usefulness, that is my argument.  The cost of a tablet is not proportionate to it's usefulness, especially when you can get something much more useful for the same price.  It's likely you already have that device already in the majority of cases.

 

Since I got my Touchpad, all I've done with it is play Angry Birds and answer a few forum post (which was more trouble than it's worth using the touchscreen keypad).  If I'd paid more than 100 bucks for it, I'd be pretty tigged off. 

 

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I'm out of touch with what people percieve as useful, especially for the cost.  But I got to admit, if I am, then I am glad I don't see things the way the mainstream do. 

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Ghok

I'm sorry I played in your metaphor. I'm just saying that yes, some people do just want to have something to ride to the park. We're not all power users. Amazingly there are even people who only use their computer to browse the web, and a tablet is pretty good at that.

On cost we agree. But costs won't stay the same forever, so I wasn't really factoring it in. I'm talking solely about the form factor.

 

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illusionslayer

You realize your entire opinion hinges on an opinion right?

I have a $650 dv7 from 2009. Dual-core AMD @ 2ghz, 17inch screen, 320gb HDD, 4gb of RAM,  and a full keyboard.
Ihave a $500 Transformer + keyboard/dock (I got a sale on the bundle.) with 16gb flash memory and 1gb of RAM.

In the morning if I were to choose which device to carry with me to any given event, it would be the tablet.

Why? It's a lot more portable than my 12lb laptop that needs a seperate carrying bag, offers better performance, better battery life, and will do every bit of work I ask it to do.

Is it going to render CAD files? No. But then, neither was my laptop.

I'm sorry that in your world you think that anything not useful to use isn't useful to anyone ever but in reality, people can actually like things you don't like.

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mysterymantis

How much something cost is an opinion?  Maybe you aren't understanding my argument about tablets.

 

Let's see if I can shed the light back on you...

 

I read the article, which summarizes that tablets are overrated.  In the opening text of that same article, it is implied that tablets are a fad.  I gave my opinion that they are a fad, and then listed some real reasons why that is so.  Things like their cost to functionality ratio isn't worthwhile. 

 

The only counter-arguments I've heard all play to the idea that a tablet has LESS functionality than other computing devices in the same price range.  Or they have nothing to do with function at all. 

 

Now you can call me insecure or tell me I'm putting words in your mouth, but seriously, I don't really care.  There's a lot more I could say about it, but I really am not into flame wars.  I'm glad you enjoy your tablet, I hope I can get the same out of mine, though it doesn't look likely.  I won't be checking back in on this thread, so say what you will. 

 

Later

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Keith E. Whisman

if he feels that way about tablets im screwed with my new iconia tab a500. has he even tried playing around with his acer tablets? they are awesome, im on mine now. it is extremely useful. its just the economy keeping people from spending too much money on anything, i think the recent hp touchpad sale proved that tablets do have a huge market when they are priced right.

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ferds7

The ultrabook looks like crap. I would rather have something like their Iconia Tab with the removable keyboard, but that removable keyboard should be more Iconia with the virtual touch screen keyboard.

Or how about simply, I think tables are cool and the future. Connecting multiple tablets for more screen real estate would be awesome! Especially if they could work together to create a computer with 2x the power.

 

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rayatwork05

been a desktop fan my whole life. but the tablets lately are sexy and can do almost anything easily. for business & personal use it is extremely practical. if i need to play games ill pickup a xbox to replace my desktop. i get my HP TouchPad monday :) excited

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SilverSurferNHS

i think tablets, ultra books, netbooks and chairmen are overrated

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Dartht33bagger

I agree.  I'll stick to high end laptops and desktops.

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Neufeldt2002

An Ultrabook would be perfect for my wife.

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I Jedi

I honestly believe that the average person, who uses their computer for surfing the web, emailing, and text documents, will only be interested in super-cheap netbooks. I for one, as a power user, would only be interested in having a light-weight notebook because I would use it for college, not gaming.

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