The 64GB Surface Pro Ships With Just 23GB of Usable Space

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Engelsstaub

With all due respect, it sounds like you're being overly-apologetic and don't know what you're talking about regarding OS X.

You said: "Mac OSX does it too." That's not true at all. I'm just guessing you've no experience with Mac OS so it's understandable that you've made such an assumption. An out-of-the-box 11' MacBook Air, with 64Gb of advertised flash storage, should have nearly 50 Gb available. It uses about 8 Gb for the OS and the rest for other stuff like the recovery partition.

You said that Windows is a lot "larger" than iOS or Android. Everyone knows the difference there. But is Windows more bloated than OS X in their respective current iterations? As a person with experience with both it seems unlikely. Windows 7 cut down on some of the bloat that Vista had while the (then current) Snow Leopard was very lean. Windows 8 cut even more bloat and starts up exceedingly fast. Meanwhile Lion and Mountain Lion have gotten progressively more "Windows-like" by increasing overhead ie: they seem to be getting more and more bloated.

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anc51699

Did I say OSX takes up the same amount of space as Windows 8? No. Did I say OSX is more bloated than Windows? No. I was referring to the fact that both Windows and OSX take up a large chunk of your available hard drive space, and that's it.

And no, not everyone knows that iOS and Android are smaller than Windows. You and I, as well as other MaxPC regulars most likely do, but the average user may not.

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Engelsstaub

...but OS X does not "take up a large chunk." That's really my point. Neither does any Linux distro I've used. I'm running a full-blown Ubuntu install in a VM and, even now, the whole image is like 8 Gb.

I'm just saying that the fact that the Surface is only leaving you with 23 Gb out-of-the-box is above and beyond even what would be typical for a Windows-install.

...or what am I missing? Because the Surface actually looks like a decent piece of hardware that fills a niche that isn't already filed. It's not an iPad or Android tablet and it's more versatile than an 11" MBA. The MBA is a full-fledged small-form computer laptop but the Surface functions as a full-fledged computer AND a tablet. That's why I even care. It's something unique in a world of me-too tech clones.

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rchris

All the tech blogs seem to be reporting this. What a bunch of sheep! I'd expect more sense from MPC.

Anyone that has every bought a computer knows that the hard drive capacity will be reduced by the OS and any other junk on the drive.

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Zanshi

It's not supposed to be a PC; It's supposed to be a kick-ass, super powered tablet. Read for context, and then get back to me.

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stradric

This is a valid Windows issue if you ask me. Microsoft has long been careless with Windows' use of disk space. A Windows folder that's only a few years old can be upwards of 20+GB. Then there's Program Files and AppData. I just sized my Windows 8 Windows folder and it's 25GB (over 26 billion files). There must be a considerable amount of applications installed in that 40+GB on the Surface. It probably comes with Office and other stuff (Office can be about 4GB installed).

As far as how it relates to Surface, it's not really an issue because the thing has USB ports and storage slots. The iPad doesn't. And comparing a full PC OS to a mobile OS like iOS is apples and oranges.

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I Jedi

"Over 26 billion files"
"Over 26 billion"
"26 billion"
"billion"

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Opm2

Hey, 23GB is still a lot of HD porn on the go!

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Baer

And lots of music, PowerPoint presentations Etc. It is not like I am trying to carry all the stuff I have on my 5 drives in my main workstation around with me or even all the stuff I have on my Notebook. I want a full cross functional version of Windows that will support anything from PowerPoint to QuickBooks to Guitar Pro with no compromises, I want to be able to do more than display, if I have to I want to be able to do real work once in a while. And I want it thin and relatively light and I want USB compatibility so I can add and remove files if I want, and this looks like it is that.
I guess the "shady" comment really annoyed me. That is almost slander and libel!!!!

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Opm2

I agree 100%. We as consumers should know by now that advertised space and usable space are quite different.

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Engelsstaub

Yeah but 23 Gb of initial free-space? That wouldn't be acceptable to me if I buy a device that advertises 64 Gb of storage. I would not expect the OS to take up more than 15 Gb. I'll even go 5 more for Windows-BS...

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davelray

Why is it shady? It's a difference in the technology being used. When you go buy a PC, and it advertises that it has a 2 TB drive, and you get it home and find out it only has 1.6 or 1.7 TB of free space because there's the operating system, software, as well as a restore backup usually, all on the drive, do you complain and call that shady?

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Zanshi

What laptop has that much hard drive space eaten up by recovery partitions? At MOST, they are 30GB. 1GB = 1,024MB. 1MB = 1,024KB. 1KB = 1,024B. 1B = 8b. OSes also don't tally the hard drive space like normal folks do; They are far more accurate, so the actual number is less than advertised on the box, unless it a true number like 64 or 128.

So no, I'm not cheesed for that reason. I would, however, be cheesed if an OS took up 2/3rds of my storage space like Windows 8 does on a 64GB SSD.

You pwned yourself on this argument. Have fun!

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davelray

That's just it, the OS DOESN'T eat up 2/3rd of the drive. I think you have pwned yourself instead, to use your terminology. The 2/3 usage of the drive is OS plus Office plus other unknown software plus the restore. At least read the article before you try bashing my comment with inaccuracies of your own.

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Zanshi

The Surface Pro's image is 41GB, leaving only 23GB free space remaining. Tell me how that's inaccurate. I read the article the first time. You still pwned yourself. Deal with it.

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Paper Jam

I get why the haters hate, but do the Win8 lovers not have a problem with the "unknown software", Office, and restore files eating that much space? Yes, it is a full version of Windows, but over 35 GB of OS and OS related files on a fresh install seems needlessly bloated to me.

Edit: I don't think it is shady, just bloated. But the writers have to bait us into reading these articles somehow, right?

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Zanshi

Frustratingly so. The Surface Pro's OS image is better suited to a PC with a large hard drive, not a tablet with a little SSD. It's not shady, agreed, but it still makes people feel that they didn't get quite what was advertised, even though what's advertised is technically true.

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Engelsstaub

300 -to- 400 Gb for an OS and software?? ...I would think anyone in their right minds would complain.

Really, davelray?

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davelray

Did I say 300 to 400 GB? No, I didn't. I said a system advertised as having a 2TB hard drive, but ending up with a system that once booted up, only has 1.6 to 1.7 TB of hard drive space free, as reported by the operating system. Because Windows measures bytes/megabytes/gigabytes differently than hard drive manufactures (1024 vs. 1000) bringing a 2TB drive to being a 1.8TB drive roughly. After that, you then wind up with anywhere from 50GB to I've seen as high as 100GB used up by Windows along with restore files and the miscellaneous sundry software some companies put on along with it. Such as Office trial, some form of AV, etc...

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Engelsstaub

OK, fair enough. Sorry for misunderstanding and thanks for clarifying.

(To me) it still seems like a lot of space Windows is sucking up. That's one of more than a few reasons why I'm no huge fan of Windows anymore. YMMV and I try to be objective because I don't "hate" Windows, OS X, or Linux.

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davelray

My problem with the article and the whole slew like it today, has been the use of the phrase "shady." Now my personal opinion on the amount used up is this. The install of Windows Pro should be minimal install, which I think is around 10 or 15GB, along with Office bringing that up to 20GB at most. Give a free USB thumb drive with the restore on it. And none of that extra software that's probably on it. For the extra software, just have a menu pop up after you've connected it's wifi to your internet, that gives you a list to choose from of the extras so you can choose what if any to install. If the total thing only had 20GB used instead of 45 or 47, it'd look a lot better to most people. But let's not give all the other computer companies a free pass on something they do, then turn around and call Microsoft shady for doing the same lol.

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Engelsstaub

My Windows-know-how has become a bit rusty in the last few years due to using a Mac and Linux for pretty much everything I do.

If I bought a Surface, and knew what you do about getting it down to 20 Gb used, it would seem worthwhile to me because it is pretty cool (and I don't hate Windows...I just don't prefer it.) I can always use an extra computer but I only need one Mac for the stuff I do. I wouldn't even need another as a server.

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Baer

Oh please. Do you also think the bezel is a little big, or small or the smell is wrong or the box handles to rough? The more storage the better but really..... This is the key issue for a headline article???? Did you write it on your Mac, sure sounds like it came from the Apple ministry to me.

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Zanshi

Did you read for context before writing your asinine comment? Do you understand that 41GB are already eaten away by Windows 8, leaving only 23GB for storage on an advertized 64GB tablet? Do you understand that Windows RT does the same thing to the Surface RT? Do you understand that iOS and Android only take 3-4GB of storage space each? Did you know that Android tablets, like Windows tablets, have expandable storage slots, making any argument about that you may have a non sequitor?

If you answered "no" to any of the above, then you're an idiot.

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Djice

So did someone forget that it is the full version of Window 8 not some little OS that has no compatibility with anything? I think you expect too much if you want a Windows 8 tablet to run all your regular software but have an empty drive when you buy it.

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dread_ire

I think people are also forgetting that this is installed on a 64GB SSD not a 64GB HDD. I have a 64GB Sandforce SSD and the usable space is only 55.7GB right out of the box due to the reserved space for aging flash blocks. Out of that 55.7GB I now have 30.9GB free. This is on a minimalist Windows 7 install, no office, no restore partition. If I installed Office and had a restore partition I would most likely be less than 23GB free on this machine. I don't think anything "shady" is going on.

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Baer

Djice a big +1.
I actually got angry when I read this write up.

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Nixon

"Help me!" Funny little picture. XD

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