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loozer

Think of it this way:
Metro does not extend beyond the start menu. Non-desktop apps are irrelevant.

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sean76

Downloaded today to my Quad Core Toshiba laptop... Easy install, only took about 30 minutes to install and runs fine.... but the UI really is bad. It's too..... simple... Tablet/Phone oriented. This will make it nice for something like the Dell / HP all in one deals.... but seriously.... for a real desktop, this really is bad. This will not be used on my gaming machine. Why can't Microsoft fix their file system, and place it into a fairly good OS .

All I can say.... Microsoft.... Bad move!

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whr4usa

fix their filesystem..?

there's nothing wrong with NTFS just a lot of legacy compatability bullcrap in the shell and file maangement utiltiies preventing us from fully utilizing all of NTFS' amazing features with making highly-customized images of Win Server or being Windows-native developers

...and if you want a new filesystem designed ground-up for 4K-sector-native or flash and other future or virtualized storage that scales better than any other general-purpose filesystem in existence then you'll want Windows Server 8's ReFS (presumably SP2 for 2008 R2 will get it also)

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kixofmyg0t

Well this is where the PC is heading. So if you don't like it fine, stay in the past then.

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fung0

kixofmyg0t, you're absolutely right. If Microsoft wants to head the PC off a cliff, who the heck are we to criticize? We ought to just be grateful and enjoy the drop.

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sean76

Hmmm I'd rather stay in the past if making things simple for people, is the way of the future. People need to expand their knowledge and skills. I don't know about you, but playing battlefield 3, Batman Gothem City, Call of Duty on a touchscreen would be a pain in the a$$. Let alone getting a good game going and all of a sudden you "touch" your monitor off the back of your desk!
I am far from the past... I tend to stay ahead of the curve in my technology. I am the person that says "32gb of Ram? That's not enough!" It would be if programmers did a better job on coding... but this is not the topic.

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kixofmyg0t

Nobody said Windows 8 was touchscreen only.....

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Biceps

@Kisofmyg0t: I haven't used W8 yet, and will try it out over the weekend, but it looks to me like W8 is built to emphasize touch interfaces. Touch is great for a smartphone, but I always feel like I am 'prodding' my computer, and there is absolutely a lack of fine-tuned accuracy with touch interfaces when compared to mice.

Re: the past and the future. FYI, the touchscreen has been around just about as long as the mouse. The mouse is the dominant technology for desktops because it works better than touch for almost any application or game. Just because the brainless masses have a hard time using a mouse with two buttons doesn't mean touch is the future.

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win7fanboi

Brainless masses - makes me think of Idiocracy... dude mouse would totally be hard for them to use and junk.

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dentaku

Another good way to install multiple OSes is to use the boot loader built into your motherboard (if it has one).
Disconnect all drives except for the one you want to install the OS onto.
Install the OS, shut down, reconnect your drives.
Restart and everything should work as it always has if you connected your drives back to the same SATA ports they used to be on.
Restart again and press F8 (for ASUS motherboards it's F8 but it's different for other motherboards so check the manual)
This will give you a list of all your mounted drives.
Choose the one you installed Win8 on or whichever one you want to boot from.

This way you don't ever touch the MBR of your drives and you don't have to mess with boot loaders.

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sammy_sam

This is my preferred method too...great for those old hard drives just laying around.

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sirnotapearing

ok i still say they need a way other then task manager to turn the apps off if i leave a game i want it closed not suspended. also need the apps to run in a window instead of having to take up the whole screen. if you're marketing for tablets and desktops then don't take away the ability to play a game (a.k.a. solitaire) and watch videos at the same time without needing 2 monitors.

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iSoLateD1

alt f4 will exit an app.

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scoop6274

Actually, if you open solitaire, switch back to desktop, then highlight the app on the left of your screen, you can tell it to snap left or snap right (I'm sure there is a keystroke for this, I just don't know it). On my computer it then takes up about 1/4 of the screen, leaving your desktop as the rest. You can then open a video player for your desktop and watch a movie.

I am actually posting this while watching a movie with solitaire open on the left side of my screen.

It is just a little bit different way of accomplishing the same thing we been used to doing all along.

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Blaze589

To close an app move your mouse to the top left of your screen then go down with the mouse to expand the list. Right click and close the app. As for solitaire, that game was designed to be played in metro so that really depends on the devs. You can Alt + Tab and WinLogo + Tab to switch out of that (but of course you know that).

If you want pictures and videos to not be displayed in the app you have to right click the file and select what program you want to open the file (windows picture viewer and windows media player).

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sirnotapearing

it could be because I'm using virtual box but there is no expanding menu in the top left only the icon to go to desktop appear i did find that grabbing the screen towards top right and dragging down will let me close but i can't minimize the metro solitaire game.

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mario_ramalho

Installing it now on VMWare Player. Already played around with the Builder Preview, and it didn't disappoint, so the Consumer Preview should be an even better experience.

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igoka

I was Win8 hater , after installing this version I kind of like it. It's like they combine Xbox 360 and PC. I don't like the swipe screen where you have to pull up the screen to get to login screen . It makes sense in tablet or phone just to prevent accidental button press but not in a PC. Yea , and it takes time to get used to it. It found all drivers except scanner. Reader App is neat and gives you ability to read pdf . I've installed Chrome and Steam , both working fine. Later i'm gonna try to install productivity stuff Autocad, Mastercam etc.

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I Jedi

http://i.imgur.com/Ur6jX.jpg

All jokes aside, 8 looks like it's got some pretty interesting features. If you're interested, check it out over here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400967,00.asp

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kixofmyg0t

That pic forgot Windows 2000....which was awesome btw.

Throw that in there and it woulda made XP crap and Vista good which as we all know wasn't the case.

I never had a problem with Vista and actually liked it. But its more "hip" and "cool" to dog on Vista.

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Neufeldt2002

The reason 2000 was not on there is because 2000 was never intended to be a consumer version of windows.

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Brdn666

Vista was fine after SP1. It's just the launch that was a bit rocky.

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HiGHRoLLeR038

Thanks! great article, i will run Oracle virtualbox when i get home and have some fun with win8

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CruwL

I'm A PC, and Windows 8 was not my idea!

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kixofmyg0t

If you don't like it then please stay with Windows XP or whatever you're using.

I like it. Especially metro UI, makes everything faster to get to.

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livebriand

It wasn't mine either. What idiot came up with it? Really!

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Blaze589

W8 took me a little while to figure out how everything works. If you have a tablet it's great and even if you're running it on a media center PC with a mini wireless keyboard it is intuitive to navigate the new start menu. It's definitely functional for a desktop user once you figure out how everything works. To be honest I was ready to completely dismiss W8 until I got use to it. Sorry to say it but I agree with Victek. If people don't give metro a chance it's going to flop big time. MS better include a user friendly movie like in XP that explains the basics in 2 minutes or less.

All-in-all it's not bad but definitely not worth it to upgrade if you have W7.

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CleverBullet

I would recommend installing Win 8 to a Extended logical partition, I installed it to a Primary partition and it broke my Win 7 bootloader. Using a logical partition works a little bit better.

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SilverSurferNHS

thank you for that heads up; i was just preparing my acronis queue for primary when i read your post

much appriciation

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jojoguy10

Is there no more CD/DVD (optical drive) in Windows 8? When I installed Windows 8 on my media computer, it wasn't in "My Computer". I looked everywhere. It's in the BIOS, but not in the device manager.

I'd be really sad to see optical drives disappear. We use our media machine for Blu-ray's and such.

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livebriand

Windows 8 shows optical drives just like previous versions did, though now on the regular desktop. Perhaps you have a driver issue or something?.

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themohawkadmin

Both my optical drives appear in "Computer". It may be a driver issue.

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jojoguy10

I found a driver for it on the Dell website (Dell computer), but it said it's not compatible. I double-checked the model number, and it was the same. Weird...

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gandalthewhite

What's messed up with my install is graphics. Can't get my switchable AMD graphics card to work, and something is messing up OpenGL with integrated. I've tried the new AMD Catalyst drivers for Windows 8, but it didn't work. Anyone else got it working?

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Victek

Installing Windows 8 CP is the easy part. The hard part is figuring out how to drive a UI that is optimized for a touch screen device on a desktop PC controlled with a mouse and keyboard. If you're in the minority currently using Windows phones the Metro interface on Windows 8 may make sense, but the great majority of people using XP/Vista/7 are going to feel lost with the Metro UI on the desktop. One reason people have successfully migrated from XP to Vista to 7 is a relatively shallow learning curve - they all have a similar Start Menu, etc. Metro is a radical departure. Time will tell, but I think this is going to be rejected.

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livebriand

I certainly reject it, and generally I like Windows. Windows 7 is pretty good. Windows 8 is just a total POS, WORSE THAN VISTA, which will fail dramatically. Don't expect me to upgrade to it anytime soon. I'll wait for Windows 9 instead. (and if that fails, maybe I'll switch to Ubuntu or something...)

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loozer

You're having so much trouble over a new start menu. How often do you actually use the start menu? Or maybe the pointy corners on the windows are too much to handle? Get used to typing into the menu to search, uninstall the preinstalled metro apps, and you're good.

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ApathyCurve

I think you're on safe ground with rejected. Take a look at Microsoft's success (or lack thereof) with "new" and "fresh" concepts, (MS Bob, anyone?), and you'll see that they suck at it. Badly.

If this were gesture-based with a camera a la Kinect, it might -- MIGHT -- work. But as a mouse-based interface, it's just plain ugh. You'd think they would have learned the folly of trying to appeal to those lowest common denominator focus groups after the Office 2007 ribbon bar fiasco, but apparently there's always a fresh idiot with new and dumber ideas coming up the chain over in Redmond.

Maybe now that Jobs is tits-up, his anti-gaming zealotry will gradually filter out of the Apple ethos and I'll have a viable option for an alternate gaming OS in a few years time. I still remember the days when Apple dominated the computer gaming market; some of my fondest gaming memories come from that era, before Jobs made the company "serious" and hippified it. Thumbs crossed!

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thetechchild

Macs as a gaming OS? Ugh, I doubt it'll ever happen. Plus, the OS is still only officially available by buying Apple-branded PCs, and is thus hella more expensive than buying from a vendor like Dell or HP, or simply building your own. Jobs's death will "fix" nothing in Apple. They're already too far gone.

And while W8 has a crappy Metro UI, it's supposed to be optional, and of course 3rd party programs will likely spring up to fix that type of error. Some other 'innovations' in W8 (though of course nix systems have had them for a LONG time now) are a step in the right direction, though far too immature.

Most likely, W8 will turn out to be another Vista. Just wait for W9 to get rid of the crap and improve on the actually useful new features.

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