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GammaWave

How to make windows 8 in 3 easy steps?

Step 1: Remove "Start" Button
Step 2: Slap over the Win 7 desktop "Metrosexual" interface
Step 3: Let you 4 year old to design all icons

Done!

Now.. joke aside. People who claim to love new Metro interface, I have one comment for you: Wait until you have a couple of dozen + application installed on your PC - you will cry yourself to sleep.

My experience? I'm a Windows Power user and I had been one for the past 15 years. I have always built my own rigs from scratch. This year I bought my first Mac. Long story short. I've installed Win 8 under Parallels without a glitch. It works like a charm. Now the shocker.. Win 8 Metro interface was littered for full 3.5 horizontal screens with Metro icons. Why so many? Metro interface had listed all of my Mac apps in there. In Parallels, you can start Mac apps from VM Windows OS, or vice versa.

It was horrible visual experience, because almost all icons are the same.

Other "intuitive" thing about Win8 are "hot" corners. I would love to see my mom to learn how to handle that (or your mom for that matter).

No doubt, Win 8 will have its fan base. For the average user it will be pure nightmare to learn how to use it.

Is Win 8 the best thing Microsoft can create with thousands of programmers in their disposal? I think not.

What I see is that Microsoft is closely following SONY's footprints and "we are to big to fail" philosophy.

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whr4usa

you made an incorrect statement!

"Why are we not using Windows Virtual PC, you Windows 7 users might ask? Simple: It doesn’t support 64-bit installations of operating systems. Virtualbox does, and is every bit as free as Microsoft’s app."

then why not just download the 32-bit beta...I mean Consumer Preview?

the 'real' answer is because none of the hosted/TypeII pseudo-hypervisors older than VMware WorkStation 8, current revision of Oracle VirtualBox, current revision of XenServer with RFX\rD\RDP\HDX modules or Hyper-V 2/2.1/2K8R2SP1 have the necessary graphical capabilities either because they don't emulate any GPU whatsoever and won't allow for Msft's X86Rasterizer fallback or the Gfx hardware they virtualize doesn't meet 8's minimum requirements

VirtualBox allows for DirectX-passthrough which eliminates this problem and even if your GPU is insufficient it directly exposes the complete capabilities of your X86 processor allowing for the Msft Raster Driver fallback

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Danielt876

Running Windows 8 right now, replaced Windows 7 with it on my primary computer. I know its not recommended but I consider myself very experienced with computers and I did the same with the very first leaked version of Windows 7 and NEVER HAD A SINGLE PROBLEM. Looks like its going to be the same way with this. Everything works perfect for me. No sign in problems, Xbox Companion works, all drivers installed themselves etc. It only took me about a hour to figure the metro UI out and personally I love it. Its going to take some getting used to but that's not a problem for me.

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whr4usa

amen brother!

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Danno25002

Okay, so how are you supposed to download/install the proper drivers when (Gigabyte in my case) does not have drivers for Win8?

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whr4usa

any drivers from Vista 64-bit or higher will work fine in 64-bit Win8 and any from Windows 7 will work fine on the 32-bit side ... also the number of types of devices with Msft 'class' drivers is greatly increased and Windows Update (assuming you allow for optional updates and driver installations) has a healthy quantity of beta drivers direct from various vendors, trust WHQL

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Carlidan

most drivers from win7 should work for win8. And it's beta, your shit out of luck unless your mobo manufacture has them.

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cer789

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Ledoubleu

I am in agreement with some of what has been said about the UI, but my experience with Win8 on my spare 7 year old XP machine is pretty much positive. There's kinks to work out for sure but in comparison to a 12 year old heavily patched OS I now have a screaming machine (and impressively so). If part Of MS strategy is to provide an OS replacement for owners of older (perfectly fine otherwise) pc's I think they've hit on something there.

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serper

I'm fan of the command-line, and start button is essential to my solitude. This major jump to "tiles" and apps is nothing short of a bomb. Windows 8 is going to fail. I already hear around from users, that they'll stick with Windows 7.

I have Windows 8 installed in a VM, and I can not say I'm enjoying it. It lacks in a lot of ways, the intuitive nature of the operating system.

What happened with the Protogon file system? Please tell me how this OS can run threads better than Windows 7, please? Why would I want to do this, if I do not have a touch-screen or plan on ever using one in the near future.

I'm a gamer and see no reason to go forward with Windows 8. It's still DX 11. It's still NTFS. It's still Windows 7 with an annoying tile app screen.

Not impressed.

-serper

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whr4usa

if DirectX11 (it's actually v11.1 in 8) and NTFS (which is v5.x now, with much improved utilities and shell integration) are all that you care about, then Vista SP2 is what you should be runnning!

...and Protogon AKA WinFS was NEVER a future feture of any future Windows, just a Msft Research project, all of the developements from which are being found in SQL Server 2008 R2, SQL CE 4, NTFS 4.x+, ReFS, .NET 4.x, *.VHDX format and related improvements and many other places across the Windows ecosystem. what's from with taking a modular, evolutionary approach..? isn't your whole issue with 8 related to the 'sudden' change in the GUI..?

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DSS

I tried Windows 8 Consumer Preview over the weekend and I must say that Windows 8 has taken a hugh step backwards because of the lack of the Start Menu and a out of the box - hit the ground running OS with a productive desktop.

It was also obvious that Microsoft did not even want you to add a reg hack to put it back.

I could understand the tile technology for a tablet and also a phone, but a desktop is really ridiculas.

Let's face it, if the tile system for the phone was so great, then why is it that the Windows Phone is not the number one selling phone of all times.

I guess that this drama that was played out with XP's end of life will now be what Windows 7 will become.

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sladeofdark

i love it for tablets..but it is annoying for a non-touchscreen kiosk style desktop.

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kombatkarl

I'm not seeing how the dual-boot works. I installed Win 8 to a different partition, but when my computer boots it just goes straight into Win 7. I haven't done dual-boot on Win 7 before. I remember with XP you got a boot menu. Am I missing something here?

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John A

After 3 hours of trying to load on virtual box I succeeded now I am not sure it was worth the hassle.

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szore

I get error: "FATAL: Could not read from the boot medium! System halted." OK fixed it, CD/DVD file type wasnt checked.

OK, vm is in and it works great, as fast as i need it to.

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dedgar

Tells me it can't load because I don't have a 64 bit processor. Last I looked the 2600K was 64 bit.

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Carlidan

Did u make sure virutlaization was enable on BIOS. Think I had that same error when I was installing ubuntu on a VM machine.

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siramic

Thanks Carlidan, I was having the same problem as dedgar, and even in trying to get it to run properly with the 32-bit version, your advice solved this issue for both of us, thanks again. :-)

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Carlidan

You're welcome. :)

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dedgar

That was it. Thanks.

(facepalm)

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Carlidan

you're welcome sir. Glad to help.

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eday_2010

Does anyone know what the maximum amount of RAM the consumer preview can see? I know Windows 7 Home Premium is limited to 16 gigs. I may forego buying 7 if I like 8 enough when I build my new system (which will be before 8 is released), and use the Consumer Preview until then. I plan on filling it with 64 gigs of RAM, so I want to know if it will see it all.

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warptek2010

Just curious... but what in the world do you need all that ram for?

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eday_2010

Video editing in Adobe Premiere. 1080p60 video to be exact. Adding two hours worth of clips in Premiere to make a Blu-ray can bog things down :)

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whr4usa

any sort of content creation or virtualization or emulation or hosting can consume large amounts of memory quickly!

...and to answer your question there is no limit on memory can can be addressed by the Windows 8 betas as they're based on the DataCenter (Server) and Ultimate\Enterprise clt. editions which do not possess any subfeatureset or artificial resource limitations

Msft's official # for Windows 7 Professional\Ultimate\Enterprise was 192GB but all that means is they can theoretically refuse tech. support if you run with more virtual memory than that in your system as it has not been officially tested across all scenarios ...the "support figure" for Win 8 is 256GB

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whathuhitwasntme

maybe for my tablet later
not for my desktop
I like win 7 ultimate 64 bit
it runs steady and no issues with my software
besides, wasnt this a smart phone/tablet os anyway?
why would I want to handicap several thousand dollars worth of
computing hardware with a program made to run on a disposable platform?
just doesnt equate if you understand my logic.
win 7 > win 8
win 8 < win 7
I cant make it do the equal sign with a line thru it to say
does not equal like in algebra but again, you get the drift

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bautrey

What about a triple boot?

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wolfing

I'm totally meh about this new OS. Looks like Windows 7 will be the new Windows XP, to be in all my computers for the next 7 years. Maybe Windows 9 will be as awesome as XP and 7 were when they were introduced.

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win7fanboi

+ 1

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eday_2010

Well, I can't try this out going the virtualization route. My Pentium 4 seems to be too old to support what VirtualBox needs to run Windows 8. VMWare Player won't install at all because my Pentium 4 doesn't support the virtualization it uses (same with VirtualBox). I might try to to a dualBoot installation, but I had no luck with that when I tried it with the Dev Preview. So I doubt I will be able to install this version. Heck, I can't install Windows 7 on my machine. The installation kept hanging. I am sure there is some hardware issue somewhere, but this computer is close to being replaced, so it's not worth troubleshooting.

I was looking forward to trying Windows 8. Looks like I will have to wait a while before I do.

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whr4usa

I'm impressed to know that any Pentium 4's are still running as hot, slow and fritzy they were!!

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turbo012

For some reason, there was no option for "install on another option" for me.
Just Install now and Install Later.
Since I got the setup files downloaded already is there a way to make a boot or iso image with this?

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whr4usa

did you accidentally download the ~3MB websetup utility instead of the ~4GB *.iso file..?

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/iso?ocid=W_OFF_W8P_TechCenter_ISO_EN-US

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/hh670538.aspx

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warptek2010

I haven't installed it and am only reading the comments about W8 and I probably am in the negative camp. I LOVE my Win 7 64 the way it is and the way I have set it up and am loathe to switch to something new and radical. The only reason I believe that MS went this route is Apple.
They want some of that 'hipster metrosexual' market share. The MS store only proves it. It's sad, but they were once a company that PC enthusiasts (nerds)like most of us here could look up to and trust somewhat knowingly that they understood us. But, with their new course that began with the XBox and now this Metro crap, they are beginning to turn their backs on our demographic. I can only suspect that the lack of Bill Gates in a full time role with the company is to blame. This Balmer character strikes me as someone with something loose in the attic.

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Zoandar

Ballmer, Jobs ---- switched at birth?

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Mithril PC

+1

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fung0

+10

Evolution is great. Slapping all your biggest fans in the face is not so good.

If Ballmer wants to emulate Apple, he should try noticing that today's MacOS has a user interface that's essentially identical to that of the original Thin Mac. With plenty of enhancements, naturally. But totally familiar. Apple asks its fans to buy new hardware pretty regularly, but it never makes them feel betrayed. Even iOS has that same essential look-and-feel: icons, dock, bar at the top...

By comparison, Win8 is a huge and needless step sideways. Metro. Ribbons. A bunch of crap nobody asked for, that asks people with decades of experience on Windows to re-learn all their reflexes, for zero benefit. Meanwhile, simple stuff like multi-monitor support STILL isn't done right.

Microsoft has clearly forgotten who its users are. Pretty soon, we'll start forgetting who THEY are.

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richeemxx

No matter how hard I tried I could not get W8 to work right with VirtualBox. It could be a hardware issue, or something but it was not going to work.

I'll also second that you need to watch how you dual boot. The W8 files are going to overwrite your existing bootloader, and will most likely move them off their current partition making it a PITA to remove W8.

The first time I setup the dual boot it never showed Windows 7. I had to do a startup repair just to get it to show. When I deiced to remove Windows 8 it totally killed my Windows 7 install because the boot manager was moved. Running bootrec or bcdedit didn't work either.

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whr4usa

the Windows 8 installer doesn't do anything to your existing files unless you install on the same partition as your current load and the first-stage bootloader aka boot manager is completely compatible . . . "Startup Repair" essentially automates the steps outlined in this article for configuring multiboot.

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SenTora

Think of it this way: Every Even Number OS that Microsoft has had in the past (WinME, WinVista) has been the sucky one.

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Penterax

Vista wasn't "sucky", it worked great. It did have a couple of issues at release, but most of the problems were actually caused by software engineers not doing their job - in other words, bad drivers.

The other part is, manufacturers slapped together systems that barely worked (and often not reliably) under Win XP, much less Vista (which didn't require a huge amount of extra resource, but did require that the hardware be compatible with it). They didn't do any actual engineering or testing. This is pretty common in the "cheap computer" part of the industry (something Apple avoids by forcing everyone to buy their hardware with their OS.)

;)

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whr4usa

+1 Penterax

...and everybody LOVE(s,d) Windows 7 (as do I) but doesn't realize Vista SP2 backports almost all of the major changes from Windows 7 RTM\SP0 except for the 'from-the-ground-up' new kernel and a handful of UX enhancements . . . until you get into more technical stuff with domains, interoperability, security and virtualization but featureset-wise Vista SP2 == W7RTM\SP0

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Biceps

Ah yes. But Microsoft does get the odd thing right. Haha, get it? I crack myself up.

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kixofmyg0t

This is gonna be awesome on my 55" TV once everything works with Kinect. Dare I say the end of the mouse is coming!.....well for mainstream, the hardcore purists will always need a mouse for XP since that's what they're staying with.

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eday_2010

Right. Because people working in CAD or will Photoshop can make due with the imprecise controls of Kinect, yes? It's only XP users who will need the pinpoint precision that a mouse offers, right? Anyone doing real work on a computer will need a mouse for the foreseeable future, regardless of the operating system they are running.

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kixofmyg0t

You DO realize you can still use a mouse and have a traditional desktop with Windows 8 right?

You can stick with Windows XP though. No one is forcing you to use something other than a decade old OS.

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whr4usa

actually Windows XP being the first Win clt featuring activation\validation only has 757 days of extended support left and then an additional 366 days before its activation servers go down and an undisclosed period of time before it can't be validated anylonger at which point good luck trying to use XP for anything

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Papaspud

First impressions, I don't like it. I am not into social media and posting pics and such, for me this UI is a total waste of space. I think for anyone that has been running W7, this thing will not fly. Maybe they will make the WP7 users happy, all 20 of them, but I think for the majority of people that this OS is going to be a not buy..... bad move MS.

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