Greg4422

August 17, 2010 at 4:01am

Any idiot with half a brain cell knows the future of the internet is in "wireless" technology.... not wired. So it’s a shame to see the greedy bastards at AT&T, Google, and Verizon dividing up the internet like spoils of war. What’s even sadder is the clueless people defending these monopolies. I think it’s time the government disassembled these behemoths.  Any who, I closed my Google account, and refuse to buy any android smartphone.  F Google. Next thing is installing scripts to block all of Google data collection spyware.  I know I’m just a lone voice in the vastness of the internet… but I’m sure there’s others like me that will Fight  The Power!!!!!!!

Lhot

August 16, 2010 at 8:17am

Quote:

"It's true that Google previously has advocated for certain openness safeguards to be applied in a similar fashion to what would be applied to wireline services, however, in the spirit of compromise, we have agreed to a proposal that allows this market to remain free from regulation for now, while Congress keeps a watchful eye."

openness safeguards means:  safeguards AGAINST openess

Quote:

....previously has advocated for certain openness safeguards to be applied in a similar fashion to what would be applied to wireline services, however, in the spirit of compromise, we have agreed to a proposal that allows this market to remain free from regulation for now

What Googles is saying is that they are going to apply tiered service to wireless....for NOW....

the word previously means...that Google already TRIED to applied tiered service to BOTH wired and wireless...but for now (after they got told by someone, h3ll no) they just gonna tier the wireless....

I realize it'll start slow and most people won't even notice.  But if you think for one second, that after they set precedent on the wireless side with  its resulting revenue increase....that they will not...later...use that precedent to do the same to the wired connections.

Do you honestly believe that once they get this "tiered service" rolling....that things like online gaming, emails, photos to grandma, ordinary citizen phone calls etc., are NOT going to be pushed to the back burner, when Adobe (lets say) decides they need a masive pipe for 3 days?  Unless Adobe is going to go out and lay the cable for this massive pipe themselves...the bandwidth is going to come from the existing pipes.

NOT to mention that if landline telephone is classified Title 2...then wireless and landline inetrnet should be also.  They both are valid forms of communication, and to be honest, MOST people prefer the internet communication over the telephone communication anyways.  Afterall it's kinda hard to flame someone on a telephone....because the personon the other end will just hang up.  Whereas...on the internet....flaming someone on a forum that they need to be on...is much harder to control.

EVERY large company, once they've recouped thier initial rollout costs, does the exact same thing....charges even more.

The really silly part is why the h3ll Google and any ISP is in on the decision in the first place....we have a government for making decisions and laws.  I've played Diablo II for 10 years and been a verizon customer for 10 years....and BOTH companies do the same thing....they get large...they start to screw over the little guy.

I'm 53 years old, and was alive and aware when AT&T was forced to divest for (more or less) the exact same reasons.  They controlled the copper so they charged what they wanted.  That is EXACTLY what is going to happen if Google and the ISP's get thier way.

Take a 1-2Mb/s satellite internet connection for example....they have a "trapped rural customer base"  and what do they do....they over charge by idiotic amounts.   Hughes.net charges $169 dollars for a 3Mb/s connection....I suffer along with a 20Mb/s // 20Mb/s FIOS connection for only $70.\

Which part of how the business world works, are you missing?

 

 

DJSPIN80

August 16, 2010 at 5:24am

You guys really need to read what they wrote on their public policy website:

 

http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2010/08/joint-policy-proposal-for-open-internet.html

 

The main points were:

1)  They want to open up in the internet for innovation,and innovation comes at a cost - if providers want to charge for a guaranteed pipe, then they should be allowed but that doesn't mean that ISP's have the right to simply toggle service lower for non-paying services.

 

2) It's not ALL internet, just wireless.  Google's more interested in the wired services.

 

3)  The proposal is meant to encourage investment, NOT discrimination.

 

I think many of you guys need to put your tin-foil hat aside.  There's nothing to fear.

Lhot

August 16, 2010 at 4:43am

Just sent the follwing email to: NY Times, Wallstreet Journal, Chicago Tribune, my congressmen, the FCC and the FTC...maybe all those with more facts (not you, Google or Verizon) might want to do the same.

We all know about The net Neutrality issue.  We all know Obama's numbers are dropping.  We all know that Google and the ISP's are breaking laws left and right.
What we don't know is if our Congressmen still represent the American's peoples concerns.  Right now Congress is acting like a flock of Ostriches and burying their heads in ANY mundane issue they can find, to avoid the net Neutrality issue.  How are "the people" going to feel when 911 calls get pushed aside by corporations tiered usage?  Or when grandma's wireless "help I've fallen and I can't get up" device is not deemed high enough priority.

Right now this is the biggest issue in the U.S. and by domino effect, the world.  If land line telephone is classed Title 2 communications, why isn't land line and wireless internet communications also classified Title 2?
The FCC can do nothing without Congress's backing, and if Google wins this...even YOUR data will no longer be safe, but will be sold to the highest bidder, just like mine is now.

Does Congress really want ALL their "skeletons in the closet" appearing on the front page of the NY Times or the Washington Post?

Google is by now an International entity, and they care no more for your privacy than they do, mine.

Time to wake up and smell the polls folks.  Even though 'big money" has obviously kept this issue in the 'NOT common knowledge' bracket, which is also illegal, the people will find out the first time they have to wait 30 minutes for an email that used to come in 30 seconds.

Just to try to remain pleasant, I'll not bring up the gawd-awful amounts of money that Congress must be receiving to remain quiet, when they SHOULD be showing Google who actually runs this country.

Wonder how the headlines will read in 3-5 years when Google (whom you're obviously siding with), turns on YOU and demands favors, holding your personal data hostage.

Google-Gate has a nice ring to it, don't you think.  Are you going to lie to your sons and daughters when they ask:  "Daddy and/or mommy, why didn't YOU fight for us?

This letter is going out to every Congressman I can contact and every newspaper as well.  I sincerely hope you understand the ramifications of this Google proposed version of Net Neutrality.....because it'll be YOU, those here when this happened, that will pay for this.

When a government stops governing because someone pays them not to...it's time for a new government.

Sincerely,

....one VERY concerned citizen!

 

Lhot

August 16, 2010 at 3:21am

...or make our feelings know to BOTH Congress and the FCC.  It seems the FCC is too scared to take a stand without the backing of Congress.  Which I can understand, Congress can tear the FCC apart and rebuild it, if theyso chose. 

The internet wireless and wired, should BOTH be re-classified as Title II communications.  If Google and the ISP's weren't buying off Congress, left and right....this would be the biggest joke in Internet history.  We already fought this battle once...in the 80's.  It wasn't the exact same battle but they were siblings for sure.  AT&T already owned all the copper and was price gouging with abandon, thus were forced to divest.  This is EXACTLY what will happen to the Internet, and if we don't stop it NOW...4-5 years from now, we'll have the AT&T issue all over again.  Only this time it will be Verizon owning all the fiber and Google browbeating Congress every time they belatedly try to reclassify the Internet(s) as Title II comms.

What is Obama doing about this?  Wasn't one of his "promises" Net Neutrality?  Maybe Google owns Obama now too.  We are already a 3rd world country when it comes to Internet, maybe it's time to follow China's example and just say:  "Google, don't let the door hit you on on the way out!

This whole Google / Verizon thing is so underhanded and down right evilly greedy, that its simply amazing.  We're all worried about tiered service, well what happens when Google decides to start censoring search results.

If Obama and/or Congress don't step in and right now....then we have no government anymore, we have a dictatorship, with Google filling the dictators role.  This almost makes me embarrassed to be an American...land of the free, my *ss !!  Well as for me I'm off to start bothering Congressmen and FCC personnel.  Maybe add in the NY Times for good measure.

Jonnycal13

August 15, 2010 at 5:17pm

Almost everyone I know uses and NEEDS to use the internet.  Granted, we may not all need to download video in HD, but we do need to use the internet.  The fact that someone paying more gets better service will eventually mean one of the most common communications media will be advantageous to some and not to others.  This is definitely an issue to fight.

Someone should jot down just all the different types of activities we now do on the internet and how tiered service would benefit some and not others.  I do not believe this is a luxury/necessity issue.

I Jedi

August 15, 2010 at 4:54pm

I think that at this point it MAY be over. We need to face the facts, and the facts are that the common person doesn't care about Net Neutrality, the news won't cover it, as their owned by the same telecommunication companies that provide Internet services, and Chairman Genachowski seems to have "given up" on the idea of getting N.N. through the door. Hence the meeting at the F.C.C. between Verizon, Google, and the F.C.C. itself. I truly wish that things could be different, but I don't think we can even rely on Congress to provide the safe-guards needed for a free, open Internet for all. I'm not suggesting that anyone capitulate to these telecos, and accept that we've lost, but we need to find better ways of achieving our long term goal. Which ultimately is an Internet not regulated by ISPs.

I think that our last hope is to get the Internet classified as a title II telecommunication. Only then will basic safe-guards be in place for the end-consumer. The best way to do that  is to encourage the F.C.C. to stay committed to its promise to securing a free, open Internet under a title II re-classification of the Internet. Unfortunately, the teleco's are fighting tooth and nail to ensure that a re-classification never sees the day of light, as this would ultimately provide the end-consumer with a victory over the telecos.

This is ultimately a "dark" period right now for supporters of N.N. Right now is the time when we must do everything in our power to encourage the F.C.C. that the only way to go is title II re-classification. We've really hit a critical point where getting N.N. may be a make or break deal.

Lhot

August 15, 2010 at 2:35pm

....they'll take the whole damn thing!  This quote from google is the scary part....

"It's true that Google previously has advocated for certain openness safeguards to be applied in a similar fashion to what would be applied to wireline services, however, in the spirit of compromise, we have agreed to a proposal that allows this market to remain free from regulation for now, while Congress keeps a watchful eye."

...by "this market" (after deciphering Google's comment) they mean "wired connections", and Google does NOT say they will leave wired connections alone, just that they "...will allow it to remain free from regulation for now..."  Funny, I didn't know that Google WAS a Regualting Agency....lets see....executive, legislative, judicial....nope, no Google in there that I can see.

I don't know about you folks, but it seems to me like Google is way past "gettin' too big for their britches".  We still have a government in the U.S., don't we?  THIS is where Obama or Congress SHOULD be steeping in...this is the 1980 AT&T fiasco all over again.  I don't mind Google and Verizon talking or even partnering in an endeavor that IMPROVES the consumer experience...by all means, do that! 

But what's really going on is that we are about to be bent over the proverbial fence post and ....well you know.  I'm even pretty sure there are laws against what Google and Verizon are trying to do...to us.

Unless you want to be pushed aside (online) by any company with a bottom line bigger than yours....it's time to start flooding Congress with emails, letters, phone calls etc., before it's too late.  Google is, plain and simple an internet wh*re, they sell any and all collected user data to anyone with the green.  So does every ISP as well.  I'm sure a case could be made that even: Google, the ISP's, and probably most server farms....that sell user data, violates at least a dozen or so current laws, privacy laws not the least of all....The FBI needs reasonable cause to wire tap....Google doesn't. 

The entire internet infrastructure needs to be elevated to Title 2 communications.  After all how it ever became classed as Title 1 is a mystery to me.  Communications is communications.  Landline telephone is Title2, what make landline internet any different?

Google + Verizon managing to pull this off, (if they do) = 2012 Apocalypse.

Write your congressman while you can still afford it...if Google has it's way...you'll never get another chance  :/

oihorse

August 15, 2010 at 11:14am

Maybe if they continue to say, "there's competition!" enough times people will begin to believe it.