Maximum Sadness: Crysis 2 Becomes Most Pirated Game of 2011

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DU00

I bought Crysis 2 and it was pretty much crap. It was smooth (not as demanding as the first) and I didn't mind the gimped suit too much, but multiplayer was and is bad. Server issues galore and cheaters as well. I'm sure Crytek not supporting it past update 1.9 didn't help. I tried going back to it but I can't bring myself to.

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The Corrupted One

Umm hello people?

 

Stop blaming the producer, why do you think DRM is there? BECAUSE DUMB@SSES LIKE YOU PIRATE THE GAME!!!

The studios are taking a serious hit from your thievery and are going out of business

 

Do you think Crytech is going to make another Crysis game, good or bad, after what happened to the first two?

To those of you who actually purchase their games instead of being a filthy thief, I tip my hat.

 

If you want games with out DRM, buy discs and rip them.  You can get it for free too, and thats called shoplifting, and the only downside is jailtime.

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GeneralEvilG

Sometimes I feel as though I'm the only one buying these games. I bought (and enjoyed) Crysis 2, and Witcher 2 and Portal 2 and ect, ect... And while it would have been fairly easy to pirate any of those games, I didn't because I want the studios I like to continue to make games. I know high end games cost a lot of money to produce, and I grew up playing (and buying) games and I feel they've enriched my life; I don't want to hurt the companies that have providied me with some pretty damn good experiences over the years. And sometimes I pay a lot for a game and it disappoints me. So what? That happends far more when I go to the movies with my friends or listen to the lastest crap on the radio. Maybe I won't buy the next game they make (I won't pirate it either, "punishing" studios through piracy is juevinille) maybe I'll spend my money on a different game. My whole point is, these games cost money for a reason, maybe some of them are upmarked a bit too high, but for the most part I feel the cost to be fair and I'm willing to pay for it. And I'm a student, by the way, with not all that much cash, so the "I'm too poor for games" arguement is invaild here. If you could afford a rig to play games on, how are you so broke you can't just save up for a month or two?

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gorkon5567

I usually just buy a lot of low-priced/older/indie games during the school year, and buy big titles when the planets align and I have Christmas money coupled with insane Steam sales

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Carlidan

I just wait until couple of months to buy the game. It usually comes down to a reasonable price by then. Usually half price. Unless the game is doing well. Or wait for some sale.

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Cooketh

It got pirated because the game is garbage. Def one of the most disappointing $60 I've dropped in 2011.

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Blackheart-1220

People must study many aspects of priacy. I live in a second-world country in South America, I live in the fourth largest city in that country, Video game culture is littlle to non-existing. People in my city can't afford to own consoles, instead, they pay-to-play per hour. there is only one video game store in the entire city. Despite this, they only sell old titles at new title prices, newly released titles takes months to arrive to this country after the offical release date, and when they do arrive, their stock is only limited to less than a dozen copies.

When you download games via torrents, you'll notice that many IP's come from countries like India, China, Vietnam, Turkey, Israel, Pakistan, Thailand, etc. countries that have cities that probably don't have a single video game store.

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iambinarymind

Sounds like a market/service failure to me.

If Crysis 2 is being pirated so much, the manufacturer needs to innovate their service to make it more desirable to purchase the game rather than pirate the game.

Use this fact to innovate your service rather than restrict your customer's experience even further.

For anyone interested in a better/more free way of doing business in regards to so called "intellectual property", check out Stephan Kinsella's book "Against Intellectual Property" (free to read/download) - http://mises.org/resources/3582/Against-Intellectual-Property

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DasHellMutt

This! A thousand times this! These big media companies need to get off their asses and innovate their way into business models that work rather than trying to legislate and litigate consumers into doing it their way. I don't feel sorry for them. The music industry is starting to get it but everybody else is stuck back in 1999. 

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someuid

At the end of the day, the reason we have crap legislation like SOPA creeping around the halls of Congress is the never ending justifications by pirates to obtain a copy of something without paying for it.

I don't care whether you think the game isn't worth the selling price, or your concerns about whether the game runs properly or not under DX11.  Your choice is to either obtain a copy of the product by buying it, or not obtain a copy of the product.

All of your justifications are paper thin. The only reason you pirate this stuff is simply because you can get away with it for the time being.  If you tried it with anything else, like a loaf of bread at the grocery store, or a tank of gas, the police officer would happily let you sob it out in the back of the patrol car on the way to the station.  Your justifications won't mean bunk.

Quit being a criminal and pay for the product or chose to go without it.  I'll shed no tears of sympathy when the law eventually catchs up to you and your entire life - job, house, car, money, freedom - is all in jeopardy, all for an illegal copy of some crappy game or crummy 2 hour movie.

If you are stupid enough to risk everyting you've worked to obtain in life over these simple, flash-in-the-pan products, you deserve what is coming to you.

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The Corrupted One

Agreed x4

Any justifications people list, the alturior motive is always getting things free.

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Nygma

I was about to buy this game because of how good the Multiplayer demo was but after seeing my friend who Paid for 2 copies of the game get wuped up by a whole slew of cheaters I decided otherwise. Said friend also stopped playing that game shortly afterwards as well because Crytek was and is aware of all the freaking cheaters but don't do anything about it... So if it was pirated for the 1st person game expierence oh well. I also agree with everyone whose posted, stop relating Pirates to just PC Gamers...

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Brad Nimbus

I remember I fired up TPB for this one. I "pirated" this game because I wanted a decent demo and because of the DX11 fiasco. I love how the media has to spew out all these numbers and facts about piracy yet I bet they have a shit load of "paid" mp3's sitting in their HD's. (haha that kind of rhymed)

I can't for the life of me understand why people feel so bad for these money grubbers who release unfinished games at outrageous prices. Games that deserve my money get my money, games that don't enter my computer through an ethernet cable. Its as simple as that.

I notice this site is becoming more vocal on piracy and thats cool but don't label people. I don't believe I'm a pirate, I don't make a living from stealing warez. I download a trial run through the game. I have a simple lan setup in my living room and I can promise you the day I pay for two copies of the same game to play with my fiance in the same room is the day I die.

One more thing since I'm pretty riled up is about your final few sentences Nathan: 

"2012 Mayan dieties, we humbly offer the world's supply of PC pirates in exchange for the continued existence of the rest of, er, existence. Huh, what's that about a swirling abyss of pain and torment? Oh no, you won't hear any objections from us"   Obviously this is a joke but since writing my rant my mood has changed and I would like to point something out. Last month my subscription ran out and I was toying with the idea of renewing it. After reading this shit I decided I won't be carrying an issue of MaximumPC to the "swirling abyss of pain" with me.

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mhouston100

+1 to this:

"I can't for the life of me understand why people feel so bad for these money grubbers who release unfinished games at outrageous prices. Games that deserve my money get my money, games that don't enter my computer through an ethernet cable. Its as simple as that."

Is exactly my sentiment!  I have no problems paying for games, and I do frequently, but why everyone feels the need to blame piracy and pirates for crappy DRM and moneygrubbing tactics is beyond me!  Big businesses are corrupt at their very core and game publishers / designers are no different!

Do these people think that these companies really have their best insterests at heart?  I mean seriously, who falls for this shit? 

3,920,000 downloads does not equal 3,920,000 lost sales no matter what angle you look at it from but people eat it up day after day...

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kamikaji

>People who pirated certain games.

>Implying those certain people would have spent money on purchasing those games in the first place.

>lol

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kamikaji

Nathan Grayson:

Taking big money and being ass-raped by corporate America since the beginning of time.

It's not obvious or anything.

Herp derp.

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kamikaji

>2012

>Implying that piracy actually harms the industry.

ha.      ha.       ha.

 

I laugh at your ignorance, Mr. Grayson.

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t.y.wan

I know quite a few people simply download the game so that it can be used as benchmarking wihtout the "annoyance" of some software called steam, or origin, in the matter of fact.

Besides, a lot of other games have stupid record sales, like MW3, BF3, Skyrim, and many others made a large profit yet not quite record breaking.

Now, why are there so many pirates?

1st, have you considered the price of the game? a $60 game that has a good SinglePlayer campaign and a not as famous, yet "somewhat newer" MultiPlayer style. If you say, the game sells for SP, then why should it even be close to $60?

2nd, the previous iteration of the series, Crysis. Crysis is widely used as computer benchmarks and a scale of comparison for "gaming" PCs. Before the release of Crysis2 benchmark tools and SDKs, enthusiasts would "need" to purchase a copy just to benchmark, no matter if they even like this game or FPS in general.

3rd, with the release date somewhat close to BF3 and MW3, not all gamers have the luxury to buy all 3 of them, let alone purchasing the least "stable" of the 3.

I believe having something that is pirated so many times, is a good thing. Don't get me wrong, I know it does somewhat hurt the company, but it does show if the price and gamplay balance is shifted to a more "preferable" spot, it would do a lot better.

I also believe quite a large portion of the pirate would not pay for any games for a simple reason, why pay, when the game is so flawed and yet, so expensive? And then, after purchasing, there will be patches and "additional" (em... Not that they rushed the game and took some parts out) features come in a form of DLCs (with another stupidly expensive price tag on it.)...

Last but not least, pirate copies of Crysis2 (XBOX 360) was released quite a lot earlier than the PC version, and quite a lot people downloaded it as well. Yet, there is absolutely zero media mentionning it... +1 for being non-bias.

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Slurpy

Well, since the PC version was pirated TEN TIMES as often as it sold, it seems like there might be a bit of a problem. And if you RTFA, it does talk about amount of console piracy of Crysis 2, and if you compare numbers, the 360 version sold three times as many copies as the PC, and was pirated about a tenth as much.

 

I hate to say it, but I'm starting to understand why developers are shafting the PC.

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Badg3r1977

Developers are NOT shafting PCs due to piracy; they are doing it because its harder to code for multiple hardware configurations, the PC, than it is to code for a one too three set hardware configurations, the consoles.  They have been doing this for years because they are lazy.  They pay off journalists to confidently forget the about piracy that happens on the consoles and spout biased propaganda about PCs.

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tekknyne

I paid and played WOW for 6 years. Bought every expansion etc. I also consider myself one of the most blatent software pirates that I know.

 

So that's it. It's pretty cut-and-dry. Provide a worthwhile service and I will happily pay for it. I haven't played WOW for almost 4 months, but my account is still active. Sure, I'm too lazy to go to the account page and disable it, but TBH, WOW treated me so well and was so much apart of my life, I don't feel bad throwing Blizzard some loot because of the incredible service they provided.

 

What's worse, some games being pirated a few million times or all these software companies charging $60+ a title and milking us for crap DLC and micro transactions? I think my definition of what constitues a "criminal" act is much different than the law. Who is the real pirate here? Because the only people laughing all the way to the bank are these game-development studios! Don't be a FOOL!

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Badg3r1977

agreed.  and if your going to call people pirates, call everybody a pirate and DONT just label PC gamers.

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dgrmouse

Hey Grayson,  screw you.  I'd rather see the whole of the gaming industry on PC circle the drain than give up all of the few remaining vestiges of privacy and consumer privilege.  What impression do you think you're giving when you post these BS inflated piracy numbers and state that these so-called pirates deserve to swirl in Hell for eternity?  You're an ass, and you're the reason for legislation that allows big media to hamstring Americans without due process.  Up your butt w/ a coconut, jackass.

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tekknyne

+1

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Badg3r1977

Again with the PC bashing.  Well f**k you, console gamers pirate games as well so stop stereotyping PC gamers as pirates, its like saying all Americans are fat; their not and we are not all pirates.  So say PIRATE not PC PIRATE you f**king gimps!

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zNelson24

I would have got the game a hell of a lot sooner, but it wasen't on Steam. Several months ago I got the Limited Edition at Gamestop for only $29.99. I don't even have to use Origin.

I don't like to pirate games and software because they can be reverse engineered to do stuff. It's easy to spot a bad music or movie file, games are a totally different story.

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Nimrod

Yeah I saw the same stats. The figures showed that the most pirated games on consoels were only about 3 stops behind Crysis2. The argument about piracy on the PC is a fraud. 

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Slurpy

Did you actually look at the numbers?  Go to VGChartz and look at the console sales numbers, which were several times higher than PC's, and then compare it to TF's download rates, which show the console piracy was an order of magnitude smaller than on PC.

 

Which do you think Crytek liked better?  2 million console sales and 3/4 of a million downloads, or the PC case, with 400,000 sales, and 4 million downloads.  Pretty sure even the cast of Jersey Shore could work that one out.

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Nimrod

Well IDK are you fucking retarded? Seems so. Crysis was such a bad game not only did i not buy crysis 2 i didnt even priate it. Your a moron if you use one fucking game as an example.

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chinomon

For most people that downloaded Crysis2, I'd say would be for the Steam problem that happend with this game. When People bought this game, it was taken out off Steam's game list and people where forced to play it on Origin. WTF!, that's a "road house kick to the face!".Most people would rather Torrent this for this reason, and all EA did is loose money in the process! The sad part is, Battlefield 3 took the same call as well, most people where looking forward to these two big tittles, and they ruined it them selfs and then blame it on the Torrenters!

 

I'd bet 50 bucks, if these two tittles where put on Steam, you would see bouth the people playing these game and EA happy. People would buy this game and not deal with Origin, while EA makes more money in the process! Why is it that they can't figure this out?

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vig1lant3

Probably the same 4,000,000 people in each instance.  Who would DL one and not the other?

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andronin

Not sure how MW3 and BF3 numbers can be compared to a game 6 months older than them.

Must say though MW3 is a much better game than Crysis 2 :)

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rseding91

It's simple, make better games and i'll buy them.

I've played crysis 2 on my brother-in-laws computer and it's a console port right from console port land. I wouldn't pay $5 for it if it went on sale on steam.

 

I preorderd BF3 afer playing the BETA and I haven't regreted it one bit. It plays and feels like a PC game should.

 

There will always be pirates, why does anyone look at those numbers anyway? Look at total PC sales vs console sales of a single game and disregard the pirates. If your game sells well then it was a success - even if 50,000 people pirated it. If it didn't sell well, find out why nobody bought it (don't even think about saying piracy was at fault) and make your next game better.

 

Just look at the MW series - that game gets pirated like crazy but they still sell millions of copies and rake in the cash.

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RaptorJohnson

Looking forward to some people who steal games sharing their rationalizations or theories on how pirating isnt hurting the industry.

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nightsfire

well to reply to your comment i am a pirate and i dont know what you think you know but most pirates like i will more then glady go buy a game if it is good but with pc games you cant just take it to your local game stop if you dont like it what hurts the industry is stores like game stop that sell used games becuse most would reather buy a game used for 45$ vs buying a new game for 50$ just to save 5$ that is what hurts the industry the most not us pirates becuse if the makers make a good game we will support them buy buying the game the latest game i pirated was elderscrolls syrim after playing it for 2 days i went and got the collectors ed. 

 

p.s dont mind the miss spelling and lack of .  i am half asleep typing this.

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std error

Piracy hurts the industry without a doubt. But draconian DRM (or efforts to censor the internet) also hurt the industry; it is just difficult to measure when people don't buy because of DRM, like trying to predict how many times lightning doesn't strike.

Now I hope people don't do a simple (Number of downloads x Average Price Calculation) with these numbers to determine lost revenue. That would be too simplistic because I am sure there are a lot of people in that number who would not buy at any price.

On a side note: I find it interesting that people are quick to believe the end-of-times prediction of a civilization that also believed in sacrificing blood to the "corn god"

 

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Carlidan

Even with all this pirating they are still making a profit. So how are they hurting? Is pirating wrong. No doubt. But don't say they are hurting. 

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Slurpy

Which is why game studios keep shutting down, right?

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Carlidan

Interesting read slurpy. But did you read why it shut down?

While S.T.A.L.K.E.R. enjoyed international success on PC, Galyonkin says the company was unable to secure the level of distribution that would enable S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 to turn a profit. He says GSC was unable to secure deals with console publishers, and self-publishing wasn't an option. Even after the worldwide success of the original game and its subsequent add-ons, international distribution also proved prohibitively difficult to secure.

If you have read it was because they couldn't secure deals with console pubishers and self publishing wasn't an option. Latter was probably because they couldn't get loans or they didn't have enough money to do it by themselves. How is this article revelent to studios keep shutting down due to piracy? It doesn't mention anything about piracy is the root cause at all.

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Slurpy

And why couldn't they secure a publishing deal?  Because all the publishers are scared of how much piracy destroys their PC sales.  In the wild, 10-20% of console games are pirated, while PC installs (like Crysis 2) are now up to 90% pirated.  As a strictly money-making venture, I wouldn't fund something like that, either.

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Carlidan

Why wouldn't you? If you read the article, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. was a sucess. Wouldn't that meant they made a profit? Now they probably wouldn't make as much as in consoles. But they would of still made a profit nonetheless.

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gorkon5567

I always have a good laugh at those as well

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