It Continues: Ubisoft's From Dust Badly Ported, DRM Requires Internet Connection After All

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Vorax

 

Software End User Licence Agreement (EULA) = smoke and mirrors in the real world.

 

Proof:

 

Open some software after you take it home and then try to return it.  Start to install the software, now you read the EULA, disagree with it and cancel the installation like your supposed to.  Now you've payed for software you not going to use and wont be getting your money back because you bought the right to use this software in accordance with this agreement you couldn't even see till you payed for it.  If the EULA was legally binding why wont the store accept the return at full value?  The most any store I've been to will do is exchange it for an exact copy if the disk was damaged.

 

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maleficarus™

That is a per store policy and has nothing to do with the software EULA agreement. So your point is bogus. Nice try though. Thank you for playing...now run along...

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someuid

I don't like it any more than the rest of you, but maleficarus is right.  Those EULAs you click through and don't read, as well as a lot of license law clearly state you bought a license to consume said media product.  Just because you can make a change to that media on your computer without anyone suing you does not mean you can legally make that change.  It only means the owner of the media hasn't found a way yet to monitor everything you do with that copy and prosecute you.

Taking this path of "i can change it on my computer right now so it the license argument is wrong" is the same as saying you can murder someone because you can and that the law is wrong as a result.  You know the law isn't invalidated just because you found out how to do something it prohibits.

The sooner you realize this and stop your hate again maleficarus, the quicker you'll realize the deck is stacked against you and why Ubisoft was able to do this: they own the original and have the full backing of the courts to protect said property and only sold you a license to enjoy the media until you've either been found to illegally changing it or sharing it.  The on-line always requirement gives them the opportunity to enforce their license agreement and terminate your license.

This only going to get worse the more pirating goes on.  If you don't like the terms of the license, don't buy the game, just as you would not buy a car if the terms of the deal were not to your liking (total price, interest rate, warranty, monthly payments, etc.)

 

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maleficarus™

Well said and true 100%. The guys here that are arguing are trying to justify slealing as a way to kill off DRM. But what they fail to realize is if DRM fails there will be another version to take its place. It will never end because of all the stealing of software that is rampant online. They can argue this till the cows comes home but it will not change a single thing! People like Holly Golightly the drama-queen will never see this logic and insist on thinking it will come to an end. The days of installing a PC disc and playing security-free ended in 1998. Get over it, move on and accept that PC gaming requires DRM!!

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bling581

I think we all realize that DRM will never go away 100%, but fighting against it may make some publishers realize what they're doing and cut back. Just sitting down and taking it is not the way to go and anyone that follows this logic is a gigantic idiot. The fact is there are many idiotic and extraneous laws and rules that exist, many for the sole purpose of only benefiting the party that created it. Your argument that we need to stop complaining because it's a rule is absurd. We have the right to object to any law/rule that exists whether it's government or corporate.

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bling581

"If you don't like the terms of the license, don't buy the game, just as you would not buy a car if the terms of the deal were not to your liking (total price, interest rate, warranty, monthly payments, etc.)"

Be realistic. How many people can honestly say they view a game's agreement before they purchase it? Are all agreements even available online? If not then you don't know what they are to begin with until after you've opened the box and began the installation, at which point you're screwed because it's open-boxed software.

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Holly Golightly

Often the EULAs are bypassed in the courtroom. They expect the consumer to not read them. And in all honesty, most people do not read the EULAs. I have read a few, and some of them are incredibly outdated. I mean, have you read Atari's EULA for Test Drive Unlimited? They actually use the term cartridge int their license agreement. Consumers do not read it, corporations don't update it, and the courts know that neither side even reads them.

Anyhow, there is no law stating that it is illegal to mod a game. The courts are only interested in financial damages. If the person is distributing game for free, then there is financial damage, and the company has merit to press charges. What the EULA does is exactly what you said, it's an agreement that gives them the right to revoke your license to play, should you violate. Sort of like Ubisoft enforcing their own laws. What the people are trying to say is, there is no law specifically against modding. But what a buyer and seller agrees upon, it at the sole discretion of the two parties.

What Maleficarus stated is untrue for the most part. I do not possess a license to listen to music or watch movies. His frustration is trying to blow this into epic proportions that are simply not true. I can buy music free of DRM, and I do not need a client or an "always on" internet connection to watch a movie. DRM frustrates paid customers, and they lose the desire to buy it. The only ones who will enjoy playing it are the criminals who pirate the game. This method of greed is self destructive. It is only hurting Ubisoft more than it is helping them. Just read the comments of just how many people are willing the pirate the game just because they implemented this method of DRM. No DRM is impenetrable, and if it is, its flaws will forbid everyone from playing the game. What Ubisoft needs to do is practice competitive pricing, and bringing a product out there people are really interested in.

When I think of this capital greed, I just see how companies collapse because someone made something more agreeable to the people. Look, the fact is, when you treat your customers like criminals, often is not... They will live up to that very image you have painted them. If you treat your fellow employees like children, then there will sabotage productivity to live up to their image. Often, when bad stuff happens like restrictive DRM, controlling managers, or cencorship... It just shows how the people with the privalge of power have just as immature as the very people they so discriminate. Trust your people, and you will see much more happiness going around. Less people commiting petty crimes such as distributing cracked versions of their hard work. The key is trust. Maleficarus is just frustrating everybody with his endless trolling. Everybody is aware of EULAs, but he could have seeked a more professional approach. Deep down, he too wants to live in a world free of DRM, where everybody pays legally, and no one else is treated like a criminal. There are nicer ways to come about things... Morals everyone can follow.

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jonnyohio

I dont understand why anyone would buy an ubisoft game on pc anymore. I sure as hell dont.

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stradric

Well, for one, some people don't care about "always online DRM" because they are always online.  For two, Ubisoft makes some pretty good games in my opinion (Assassin's Creed, Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell to name a few).

Frame your comment in anything else just to see for yourself how ridiculous it is:

Vehicles:

"I don't understand why people drive Lexuses.  I sure as hell don't."

"I don't understand why people drive bicycles.  I sure as hell don't"

Food:

"I don't undertand why people eat pizza.  I sure as hell don't."

"I don't undertand why people eat meat.  I sure as hell don't."

 

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CalDrumr

Unfortunately, it's not so simple as just "always" being online.  Because no one is always online.  If your Internet drops, your router bites the dust, or you are using your laptop on the road without a connection (or perhaps when the power is out), guess what?  You can't play your games.  You pay for them, you install them, but you only plaly if they let you.  Ubisoft's servers are offline?  Guess who's not playing any Ubisoft games? 

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stradric

I get that.  My point was that it doesn't affect everyone equally.  'jonnyohio' seemed to miss that important point.

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livebriand

Man, Ubisoft, you are just BEGGING me to pirate your game...

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IFLATLINEI

When I buy software that I need or want and it doesnt perform the way I intend or need it to I modify it. The same holds true for any products I buy. Life is too short to play politics with software devs and makers. We all have needs and if we simply didnt buy things because of one hangup then we would never get anywhere. I dont have time to play cat and mouse with idiots. So I just like many others do what I need to do. I couldnt give a rats ass what the EULA says. Im not a lawyer and the makers problems are not mine. 

 

Its not a case of if we dont like it then dont buy it. Its a case of if the makers cant effectively deal with their concerns without impacting the end user then they should simply get out of the business.

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Skrýmir

The problem is that this is being blown completely out of proportion. The game runs fine, it plays the way it's supposed to play, It's identical to another version of the game that was deemed fully functional. I'm against DRM, but if Ubisoft feels that that's the way they can make money off their product it's their right to do so.

Let's be honest guys, at what point when you're gaming are you not connected to the internet? I'm always logged into steam when i 'm playing games. It's absurd to even be this angry over this DRM. If you want to be mad over DRM point your fingers at SecuROM and Tages.

 

Bottom line is, The game is gorgeous, it's runs perfectly fine, I've only experienced a few minor glitches with it, which are the same glitches people report across the board. Stop kicking it in the dirt because this DRM issue reared it's ugly head again

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bling581

"Let's be honest guys, at what point when you're gaming are you not connected to the internet?"

This is true for the majority, but there are the select few that live in a location where there is not access to broadband internet, or even internet period.

There are other reasons why online DRM is bad regardless. I've had several problems with EA and their DLC content. Several times I've had my Dragon Age Origins or Mass Effect 2 games interrupted because their servers stopped responding for whatever reason. I wasn't able to start quests, finish quests, etc because of the interruption.

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Skrýmir

This game is only available through Digital Distribution.

 

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don2041

I agree 100%

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Skrýmir

It's identical to the 360 version, which isn't a bad thing, but benifits from the use of a Mouse. Ubisoft fucked up on the DRM thing but that's to be expected. I more than got my 15 dollars worth out of the game, at least it wasn't a complete failure of a game like AC: Brotherhood or Splinter Cell: Conviction. The game isn't buggy and as far as i know mine isn't capped at 30FPS, Frap was definitely reading higher than that. While I hate Ubisoft i love Eric Chahi, hopefully however he has enough sense not to work with Ubisoft in the future. We have a lot less to bitch about than the PS3 users who still don't have the game.

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igoka

If you don't like DRM then don't buy it but also please don't steal it . Yes don't steal it , not " pirate ". That would give way better message to Ubisoft.

On another topic just want to  add something about Origin VS Steam . I also kind of testing Origin and at least for now there is something that everyone has to know :

When you install Steam you point to any directory and Steam directory is actually where all games are stored , I find it  very convenient. One directory for all . 

When you install Origin ( at least for now ) it will just intall Origin there , not games . Yes I know it's stupid but it's true. You need to go to settings and change where games will be stored and change place where downloads will be .  Change before you buy any games . Yes three different directories . Lol .  Haven't bought anything on Origin yet but I think we will be forced to buy BF3 from Origin anyway .

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Svetty Parabols

It isn't theft just because you say it is. It is COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT. For it to be theft, you would make it so Ubisoft no longer had the software in its possession.

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maleficarus™

EULA:

A software license agreement is a contract between the "licensor" and purchaser of the right to use software. The license may define ways under which the copy can be used.

Every single video game has this and in most cases forces you to check that you have read it before you install the software.It also informs you that you will need an internet connection to use.

So, you have read it or pretended to read it and accepted it to install the software. If you didn't agree with it then you should not have even installed it. Grow up people and stop acting like grade 5 school kids!!

To Mr rock band promoter: READ the fucking EULA before you come on here and try to act all smart. You're not fooling anyone that has even half a brain!!

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acidic

if you read microsofts EULA youd see that they clearly state that stupid comments such as your's shouldnt be posted online. REMEMBER the EULA tells you how you can/cant use the software you PAID the "RIGHT" to use. you sir are a complete and total idiot. i guess the verbal agreement i had with the drill sargeants on the shooting ranges all my years in the military legally binded me to shoot the way they told me i had to. i guess i cant shoot my way which ive done my entire life and can do so MUCH better than their way. but yet again, it was in my verbal agreement with them. guess i better go back in time and change it all. ALL HAIL KING MALEFICARUS.

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michaelsonline

maleficarus = http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/trollface-coolface-problem

maleficarus™ winner of MaximumPC's KICKASS troll award for the thread "It Continues: Ubisoft's From Dust Badly Ported, DRM Requires Internet Connection After All"

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Ghok

Nah, Maleficarus has always had this thing where he doesn't understand that just because he doesn't have a problem with something, it doesn't mean a lot of others might. He certainly is being very antagonistic about it, though.

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OoPpEe

@DJ_Smoke

"My PC is a hobby, my xbox is a toy. Need proof? You can go to toys r us and pick one up."

 

So the PC is a toy too then? You can buy PC's and its games at Toys R Us too :P

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DJ_Smoke

2 days on MPC and already starting stupid arguements, ok.

Toys r' us . com lists 3 sku's under "desktops", 2 are asus eeeboxes and 1 is an all in one. If you consider buying those for pc gaming then like the troll i was responding to you don't belong on maximum pc.

As far as the PC games they have listed you should reading whats on the internet and not just staring at all the pretty pictures. Every PC title says "Not sold in stores"...

Given how many points i made in my post this was an incredibly stupid one to argue, argue the point of my post not one small example i gave.

The fact that your arguement was wrong just makes it more sad.. thanks for wasting 5 mintues of my time

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OoPpEe

Oh yeah because what is listed on the website ALWAYS represents which ALL of their stores have in stock. Went to the Toys R Us in Edmonton Alberta last month, there were desktop computers there. Mind you they were crap; however still a PC none the less. Tower/Monitor/Keyboard/Mouse set. There were PC games there too, selection was mainly childrens games that none of us would play but they did have some of the bigger games there. However PC game wise, everywhere is becoming like that because of DRM and all.

So I wouldn't say my arguement is wrong nor sad. What is sad is one assumes that Internet=Fact. Just because a webside lists or doesn't list something - doesn't mean that represents everywhere. We all know someone who went on a website, saw the store says "In Stock" but when they go there the same day, they've been sold out for a few days. Sometimes you just gotta leave your keyboard and discover things yourselves.

Now I am not a whole "console fan-boy" I infact PC game equally to consoles; if based upon time during my life - PC takes it. It's just annoying that instantly people assume console = toy or PC > Console or even the console wars (PS3 vs 360). They are all gaming platforms and each have their very good pros and cons.

PC suffers from the "you have to spend a ****ton of money to upgrade every few years". My PC is a little over 3yrs old and frankly there's been only a couple games that would make me want to upgrade - however they are also coming to Xbox and/or PS3. So what would I do:

Spend $1500+ to rebuild/upgrade/buy new tower + $60 on the game.

Spend $150 at EB Games to get the console + $60 for the game totaling $210 before taxes

However just even stating PC is stronger is kinda pointless. It's common knowledge, has been forever. The fact has been beaten more than a dozen dead horses. PC always will be more powerful, however it will ALWAYS be much more expensive; in which is what drove many to consoles.

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DJ_Smoke

"Sometimes you just gotta leave your keyboard and discover things yourselves."

Yeah , your right, clearly i was acting carelessly by not going out to check stock at all 1556 toys r us locations before making such rash accusations against a pc powerhouse retailer like toys r us.....I didn't know that they were such a threat, I bet Newegg, tiger direct, microcenter, fry's are shaking in their boots!!!

The MPC forums have you and you alone to thank for pointing me out for the fraud that i am... Damn you for pointing out my lack of forumistic integrity!!!!

Please please PLEASE! STFU about toys r us already what are you the ceo?

Regarding the rest of your comment (that had nothing to do with mine) all you did was prove to readers my point that you don't belong in this forum. the actual subscribers to maximum pc know how rediculous it is to say that you need a 1500 upgrade on a 3 yo to play the latest games. Go back and flame guys on xboxdorks.com where you were before you joined MPC last week.

Also the Edmonton police..(or are they mounties?) have been notified that the weird guy in the trenchcoat isnt really there checking out the vast selection of pc's....I think you know where this is going :-)

 

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maleficarus™

OK, time to clear up a few things: When you buy a game (any game) you do not own it. You bought the right to play it. When you buy a song you do not own it. You bought the right to listen to it. When you buy a movie you do not own it. You bought the right to watch it! So having said this, for all the morons crying about buying a game and doing whatever you want with it...guess what? Take all 5 of your brain cells and put them to work and realize you don't own a single thing after you buy software. You only own the right to play, listen or watch it!!

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Ghok

Well, you're not 100% wrong, but you're not right either.

In any event, a lot of people have a problem with this "you don't own a single thing after you buy software" idea, and don't think that's how things should be. It's not as though they're unaware of how the content distributors want things to be.

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h e x e n

I'm sorry, but in my opinion your concepts of what I can and cannot do with items that I purchase are entirely skewed. You have the right, as a consumer, to do anything you want with the items you own, to a degree. If I want to stuff an Assassins Creed disc up my bum, I can do so. I can also light it on fire, throw it away, spray paint all over it and run it through the dishwasher. But apparently, I cannot play the game without an internet conncection. A corporation is telling my what I CAN'T do with my product. And remember, playing a game offline is not illegal, yet.

If you apply the same set of circumstances to other products, you quickly realize how stupid it really is.

 "Oh, I'm sorry, you cannot drive your Ford Fusion right now because it isn't connected to SYNC."

"To use your new blender, please connect to our server for authorization."

"We're sorry, but you must be constantly connected to the internet to use your graphics card."

"Before painting with your new Valspar can of paint, please register the product online and agree to the EULA before opening the can. We appreciate your cooperation."

"We're sorry, but it appears your vehicle is currently disconnected from OnStar. Please reconnect your vehicle and try again."

You see? It's pretty stupid. I can't think of another industry that considers you a thief before a customer. And the real kicker is, the thiefs get off clean anyway. They circumvent all the inconvenience the legitimate consumer has to put up with.

And if the shit hit the fan, that checking of the EULA box won't hold up in court, same as signatures. It would be a moot point at best and would probably be dismissable.

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streetking

your comment is awesome and made me lol :P feel honored, because i am on a rather full train >_>

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stinger608

I have to agree with you here Hexen! It is getting pretty crazy when one has to be connected to the internet to even play a damn PC game. Real funny but true how you stated "To use your new blender, please connect to our server for authorization." LOLOL. But that was a good example.

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Nimrod

This is completely and utterly fucking untrue and you really aught to stfu. I help promote local bands in my town at shows so i work with the actual composers a lot doing interviews and such. Interestingly, i also promote games and do exibition gfx for them and design a few of my own. I make board games not video games tho. I dont sell the right to use my games, i sell you the fucking game. If you want to change the rules or or releplace a missing game piece with a poker chip then go ahead.

If a band gives the people i work with a demo CD or a few tracks, or even if we buy it, the songs are our to do with as we please save for reselling them.

We also record live performances and sell them. We DO NOT sell the right to play the dvd, we sell the fucking dvd. yes there are some restriction to what people can do with it, they cant steal some one elses work and claim it as their own and they cany make copies and resell them. Your claim is just out right stupid at every level. I go to a friends house and view his DVD once in a while with him, ive never been legal obligated to pay for the right to watch the DVD.

On the other hand, we could always just CLAIM to be selling the right to use the DVD and if enough moronic people like you believed it, then no one could stop our claim.

 

 

So please, STFU.

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maleficarus™

You have no clue what you are talking about. Go read the EULA in a video game (you even know what an EULA is?) before you come back here with your grade 5 band promoter attitude! You STFU and grow a few brain cells then come back here and talk...

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streetking

alrighty.

A. where is the eula in a cd? or a movie? i dont recall having to check the "I agree" box every time i pop Asylum into my cd player...

2. even if they had eula's it wouldnt mean crap because eula's are crap. its only to scare off iffy would-be law suits and save the companies a few grand. an eula is comparable to most other hastily agreed-to, 50-mile long contracts. you arent supposed to read them, and they wont hold up in an otherwise solid court case. COPYRIGHT and PATENT ENFRINGEMENT, on the other hand... (ill pause for you to look those words up)... are very important things to worry about. so you cant repackage and resell something claiming it to be of your own creation. and might i add, the topic of pirating in the music business is starting to split. more and more up-and-coming bands are making their own record labels or using more liberal record labels and encouraging people to whom they sell their albums to burn the albums and hand them out to their friends, if only to create a larger fanbase to hopefully make more money later on.

who needs brain cells now?

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don2041

Yes when I buy a game I buy the the right to play that game any time I want even if I am online or not .

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maleficarus™

No you don't! You have zero say on how it will be played. You all need to grasp this concept...

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kiaghi7

no, you need to grasp the landmark case of:

Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of America, Inc.

 

Which not only established that it's perfectly ok for someone outside of the creator of an original work to modify it any way they see fit, but that the original developer HAS NO SAY WHAT SO EVER in what the end-user or even third-parties DO TO the already existing work of the first party...

 

The law doesn't disappear just because you don't understand it and some game developers choose to ignore it and pretend like they can circumvent it. You can in fact freely and LEGALLY disable their draconian controls, but I'll not go into it here as it -CAN- tie into nefarious activity as well.

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maleficarus™

You obviously have no clue what you are posting.You do not own and have no right to modify any song, game or movie. Why not use your common sense before posting FUD online! Sick and tired of online idiots. Altering game codes within a game has nothing to do with DRM or having an online internet connection. Stop being an idiot and posting stuff that has absolutly nothing to do with the topic at hand...

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kiaghi7

Ummm actually you DO have the right to modify your songs, games, and movies in any way you see fit so long as you do not attempt to re-publish them as an original work. That's called fair-use, and the supreme court has a long track record of upholding fair-use.

 

Also, if you change one note every four bars, you can re-release a song as your own... So yeah, how about YOU not make things up to cover for your ignorance...

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michaelsonline

What exactly are you clearing up?
The excuses for shitty DRM?

Guess what DRM does not work, infact most use it as an excuse to pirate and not feel at all guilty doing it.

You can protect your intellectual property without having to resort to brutal over the top DRM.

Hopefully people will learn don't buy UB*SOFT until they change their practices, it is that easy.

Also I dunno about everyone else but I am sick of hearing about how Steam absolves itself from refunds. If your going to be a middle man reseller provide refunds for the products you are pushing.

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maleficarus™

Stop slealing software and there will be no DRM. Think you can handle that logic?

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Holly Golightly

Wow... You really think it is that simple? Music today comes free of DRM... And guess what? I can do whatever the hell I feel like with my songs. Since they do not have DRM, I can play my music offline, on a burned CD, on a PC, on a radio, on an MP3 player, or heck, even record it onto a cassette. I have that freedom to enjoy my music as I please.

The gaming industry needs to follow the steps of the music industry. The paid customers are not crimminals. The pirates are. DRM never works. Pirates seem to crack them all the time... And then guess who is stuck with the draconian business practice? The paid customer! It is unfair for hard working people.

Sometimes there is justice to pirating. For example, DRM measures such as this shows that pirating is okay, because you are sticking it to the (greedy) man. When greed has too much control, the people wil eventually take over because we work in numbers. Heck, we can all boycott Ubisoft and bring them out of business. They need us more than we need them. Their method of DRM is a giant middle finger to honest people who pay with their hard earned cash.

The people will win, and I encourage everyone to continue to pirate any Ubisoft game that features this unforgiveable "always on" B.S.! We will continue to steal their software and watch them submit and destroy DRM... Just like the old times of MP3s with DRM. The freedom never felt so good. You will see... Things will be different, and the gaming industry will be just like the music industry. Affordable, and free of any control. Mark my words... 

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maleficarus™

You are the same drama-queen that has a never ending hate towards steam. It comes as no surprise that you are all over this topic as well. You are actually telling people to STEAL. And you somehow justified STEALING as being ok and justified. You are nothing but a THIEF! You can not ever justify theft. So is it ok to steal from a bank because the service charges are too high? I have ZERO respect for anything you post because frankly who can respect a thief?

No go crawl back under your rock...

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Holly Golightly

Okay troll, you need to crawl under your bridge, because you are the only one fighting with everybody here.

I have zero respect for anything you have to say. You think it is wrong for people to fight for their rights. All revolutions commit acts of crime such are murder and even theft. But it is these revolutions that bring forth a change. The greedy elite just want the world to suffer. Just like you. Sometimes you need to do bad things to evil people. Give them a taste of their own medicine. If the corporations want to treat me like a crook by giving me forceful DRM, then fine, I will live up to the image the greedy pigs gave me. You are in the minority. Enjoy your sucky Always On DRM... Because it is going to the way of the Dodo bird. Extinct!

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maleficarus™

You're just a thief! STFU already! Would you hire a thief for a job? Would you move right beside a thief? Call me a troll all you want. I can live with that and hold my head up high, but you; you are just a pathetic thief that no one respects!!

PAY for what you buy. It is always that simple. You learn this in grade 1. You are not only a thief, but a very good drama-queen as well...

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Holly Golightly

Come on trollbaby, is it wrong to wish good for you fellow man? Everything should be for free. Not everybody has the smarts to handle the king's gold. The money system is old like the dark ages. Everything should be for free by now. Greed is wrong, read the Bible! Sharing is caring. Love your neighbors, and you STFU!

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gonzAllex

It's funny cause Sidrow's crack came out a few hours after the game was released.Did they accomplished anything with that DRM? 'course not.

Pirates will always find a way to outsmart devs.

DRM is useless and infuriating,yet devs never get the point that they should just drop it.

Just like every console port has narrow FOV , every pc gamer gets mad about it , yet devs would never take a second to adjust it before the game's release.Better yet,they encript the scripts in some cases so that you can't adjust it yourself.

PC gaming isn't going anywhere ,that's for sure,we've got the modding and indie community backing us up with projects 10 times better than any AAA game on the big market,but the industry,will soon definitely be getting phukt in the a$$ by these greedy devs who make sad decisions.

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Marthian

and then we have people thinking said games suck. No one has given me a valid reason to hate Minecraft other than it's still in Beta and that Notch is a lazy guy (even though their company consists of only 8 people, which they seem to forget.)

 

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