Fox News Decides That Videogames Cause Rape, Gets Taken to Task by Real Journalists

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Carlidan

That's actually funny!

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Carlidan

Please Fox is fair and balance. Give me a break. We know Fox caters to republicans period. At least MSNBC has a republican talk show host in their  line up. Name one liberal or democrat talk show in the show. Can you say none. And if you want to know the host's name. Joe Scarbough. Fox does make up stuff out of thin air. Like is Obama really american? Is he a secret Muslim? Is that his real birth certificate? Obamacare has death panels. Should I go on? This is their discussions 24/7 in all their shows. So please don't tell me they are fair and balance. 

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mcheshier

Heraldo. Former Clinton advisor Dick Morris. Former adviser to Carter Bob Beckel, Former ABC journalist and libertarian John Stassal...Shall I name more?

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MaximumMike

You are a moron. Alan Colmes is a liberal.

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Carlidan

Oh your right Hannity's puppet was Colmes. But even he left because he couldn't stand the B.S.  Fox was spewing out. And if I'm a moron, I don't want to know what you are. EEEEEEEKKKKK.........

We can keep calling each other names if it makes you feel better. 

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Nyarlathotep

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MaximumMike

You sir, are a liar. And Nathan, I hate you for opening this can of worms. This is exactly why I don't want to see your political B.S. in my magazine. Nyarlathotep, I did some digging of my own for the truth concerning the case you mentioned against Fox. The ACTUAL TRUTH is that a jury dismissed every single one of the claimant's charges against Fox. However, the court awarded the claimant some money under Florida's whistle blower laws. Fox then went to an appealat court and aruged that the claimant was not covered under whistle blower laws because the FCC's policy against distorting information was not an actual law. So, the court found that the claimant was not actually a whistleblower. The lower court had already rejected ALL of the claimant's other claims. No court ever found that Fox had intentionally distorted the news, and Fox never admitted to doing so. You lying liberals are the lowest of the low. This is exactly why you need to keep your politics out of my magazine Maximum PC!

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Carlidan

Yeah liberals are liars, unamercian, blah blah, heard it all. Guess what it doesn't hurt my feelings. But it sure does to you. Keep believing Fox News reports the facts and the truth. And also stop saying Fox isn't a mainstream media because  Fox is a mainstream media. Keep thinking  that conservatives christians are the minority who must fight against the big bad liberal media. Christains are the biggest hyprocrites. And only conservatives are "moral" people. You will always believe what Glen Bleck says in his show. You probably believe that Obama is a muslim and he is not an amercian. You probably believe that Global Warming is a hoax. You probably also believe that  "GOD" will replinsh the earth when we use all it's natural reasouces. 

 

I have no qualms with reasonable people, but I do have problems with people like you. You think just because a person disagree with you, they are wrong. Natan is a republican and yet you are still bashing him. How is he a liberal? Hell there are at least 4 other repulblicans who also believes Fox distorts the truth yet you would call them lying liberals. Guess what I'm a proud liberal who cares for this country. And calling me a liberal doesn't hurt my feelings. I embrace it and say thank you. 

I've also read some of your other comments in other articles and it seems you like to polictize it with your comments. Hypocrite?

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MaximumMike

I didn't say all liebrals are liars. Learn to read. There are a plenty who don't lie. Nyarlothep, however, was of the lying sort. I also never said that Fox always reports the truth. There is a big media frenzy between both conservatives and liberals right now, and lots of people are lying on both sides. My point was that I feel Fox is more objective than other news sources which were not cirticized by Nathan, and that he had no business bringing politics onto this site. Again, learn to read. I gave ample examples to support my position, which you have no qualms about distorting and misconstruing, but have done nothing to refute.

One of the main reasons for my original post was because I had no desire to listen to the rants of people like yourself. If by raising a ruccus I can convince Maximum PC to stop posting this crap, and thereby have an enjoyable magazine that doesn't make my blood boil, then from time to time I will endeavor to enter this madhouse of a political fray in the hopes that I won't have to do so again on this site. If I wish to argue politics, I will go someplace where people are more knowledgable than yourself.

You may not like that I called you a moron, but try acting differently and my esteem of you will change. You could start by not making generalizations about what I believe on various political topics which I have not discussed with you and do not intend to discuss with you. Such are the rantings of a moron, so you reinforce my opinion of you. In regards to my other comments, they have always carried the message that I don't care to have these topics opened in this magazine. Yes, I have many times presented the conservative view point, but that is largely in part because the inaccurate liberal one is the one being piped on about. Have my posts been extreme? I hope so, because they were intended to be in the hopes that they would catch the attention of some mods and MaxPC would reconsider posting articles that are mostly politics. In a normal debate, I would challenge you to refute some of my points if you think I am so hypocritical. But in this context, I would rather see you refrain yourself as I really am sick of seeing politics on this site. But please, if you can, show me where I have ever opened a political conversation on this site. You cannot. 

So in truth, you seem to me entirely fine with being a hypocrite. I based my criticisms of you on your actions. You make your criticism of me based on your imaginization. But please, don't project your delusion onto me.

On one final note, I could care less about Nathan's political affiliation. He didn't piss me off because of what his political stance was, but because he brought it up in the first place. I understand that he is a journalist who writes alot about video games and that he wants to see major news outlets get it right. And on that note, I never said that Fox news was not mainstream media. You really need to learn to read. But I digress, the point is that just because Nathan was passionate about what was happening with the Fox article, doesn't change the fact that the topic is political. I feel that a professional writer can separate his emotions from his writing and stay on topic. Also, there are various view points other than Nathan's. The message forum is the perfect place to express those, but why are we discussing political view points in a magazine dedicated to exploring the architecture of the PC? See my point? I'm sorry, but this article was very unprofessional in my opinion. I know Maximum PC can do better, and I expect better. I dont mind a diversity of topics in the articles, but this article had absolutely nothing to do with technology. It was purely political. Nathan could have just as easily published studies that showed an accurate picture of the impact of violent video games on society without ever bringing up the Fox article and politics that went with it. If you can't see that, then you really are the illogical irrational liberal you think I make all liberals out to be.

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Nyarlathotep

Ok. Last comment for me on this article.

I posted the link not because of the ruling in that case but because the argument FOX used to defend itself was relevant to this topic.

I won't begrudge anyone their opinion if they state it in a sensical and rational way. I also think that name calling impedes the discussion. If, in your opinion, I am a liar then so be it. 

I posted that I thought the tone of this article, as originally written, was unprofessional. Many others did too and Nathan revised it. I think a thanks to Nathan is in order for accomodating his readers with the revision without conceding his point. 

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Carlidan

Agreed. Sign here. :)

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Carlidan

Please tell me why you had to write you lying liberals are the lowest of the low but  to start a fight . You could of easily  just of wrote, you lying people, you lying assholes, etc... You intentionally did that on purpose to get a response. So you got one. Now if you don't want me to stop ranting or other's to stop ranting stop posting a response. People are going to respond back to your comments because they are responding back to your post comments. 

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Carlidan

Hey if you don't like what Maximum PC is posting don't read it. Plain and simple. I have no problems with these so called" crap posts" and I'm pretty the majority of the readers don't either.

You sound like a person who thinks that everyone has to cater to you. Guess what they don't. I have no problems with any of the articles, and none of them "boil my blood". If these articles so easily make you angry or mad, it sure sounds like that's your problem and not Maximum PC. Keep causing a ruccius because I really don't care. Maximum PC please don't let this "reader" change how you write or post articles because most of us like what you post. 

And Mike, Riccius away you moron! :P

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MaximumMike

test

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MaximumMike

The spam filter is broken, so I have no idea how many parts I will have to post this in.

These last two posts of yours are so hilarious I have decided to respond to them line by line, as each line of yours has a new level of humor and deserves its own comments.

>>Please tell me why you had to write you lying liberals are the lowest of the low but to start a fight .

OK. Just because I feel like it, I will. I know you weren't really expecting me to explain it, because you didn't listen the first time when I asked you not to project your delusions on me. Your short sighted brain ran right on down whatever street it was on regardless of anything I have actually said. Normally, I wouldn't even care enough to humor you, but I'm in a good enough mood to explain it to you.

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Carlidan

Delusion? Hah, I think your delusional. I like how you think making snide remarks somehow angers me. Guess what, it doesn't. I think your mom must of drop you when your were a baby because I think your brain damage. This could explain your low I.Q. and stupidity. See how I can make snide remarks too.

 

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MaximumMike

 

I went to that site Nyarlathotep posted the link to. It was a clever site, but I have been around for a while, and it did not take much reading to see what they were up to. It puts up the guise of wanting to stop spin in the media, which is a noble cause. This is a ruse to make them seem credible. Then they only go after the conservative news sources. They put their own spin on everything in the name of preventing spin. So, here they are spinning the news to their own bias, all the while pretending to be a credible, neutral site. 

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MaximumMike

 

 I am aware that liberals are trying to use the fairness doctrine as a way to censor conservative media. It is obvious that this is a site working towards that agenda.

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Carlidan

Now who's delusional?

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MaximumMike

Its actually ironic when you think about it. 

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Carlidan

Many things in life is ironic. 

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MaximumMike

I give up... spam filter wins... ftw

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Carlidan

Thank you spam filter....... you're doing a great job. 

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MaximumMike

That was the jist of my response to your first comment. There is much much more, but I dont care to fight the spam filter. I would take the other posts down if I could as I would prefer not to post any of it at this point. Please dont respond, I'm done.

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Carlidan

Sweet, your done! But I'll bet you are not. Your personality will not let you. You have to have the last word. 

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Carlidan

Maybe because you are spam?

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Carlidan

test! :)

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kris79

Whoa! 60 comments about this subject? Seems that either blood soaked games, or FBI stats are high on the interesting stuff list. Maybe there's some subtle dark message about rape and computer nerds that touches some nerve? Leading to the newest computer game genre - "Mass assult with a friendly weapon". Cheers...

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navalverde

I don't see what the big deal is, I rape the faces off noobs every day and nobody seems to care.

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JTPaintball

Nathan, this was a great article like always. Keep up the good work and thanks. I love this site and always will for it is my hobby and intrest. Don't listen to these pussy bitches running there mouths. I'm a republican but don't agree with Fox's lies to everyone either. 

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Carlidan

Your a republican who people can reason with. It's too bad most of them left the party and became independents. There are no conservatives in the republican party period that are in office. Tea Party are not conservatives either. It's the party of if you don't agree with me, then your unamercian, socialist, etc.... And some how liberal is bad. I'm glad that there are some sane republicans are left. Please come back and control your party. :)

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dswanick

Yellow journalism is yellow.  No matter which website it comes from.

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mkhokoana

I think I am gonna stop coming to MAXPC.  I can't stand BULLSHIT, and MAXPC swears by MinimumBS, but that is Bullshit.  Stick to Hardware and Reviews!  and maybe I will come by to read on a Motherboard or two.  MaxPC reminds me of MTV, MTV use to play Music Videos and they still title themselves as Music Television.  MAXIMUM PC should stick to its name and steer clear from any type of acticle such as this, worthless - Bullshit about some News Channel talking shit about a GAME, for fuck sakes!  Your website has gone to shit!

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SevWarfare

Point made Nathan. Mass Media BS as usual.

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Caboose

Y'know, Metroid taught me that kicking babies and punching kittens is COOL!

 

Fox News does nothing but spew crap and bile! Heck, the CRTC has been thinking of lifting the ban preventing news stations from reporting news that they know to be false... just in time for FoxNews to enter the country!

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COMMANDER_COOK

Wow, Nathan. You've almost made it into the "Most commented articles" box!

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jakeson

You all need to read the original article

www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/02/08/bulletstorm-worst-game-kids/

Do your own homework

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jakeson

You all need to read the original article

www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/02.08/bulletstorm-worst-game

Do your own homework

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pastorbob

"Quite the opposite, actually. In the last three decades (roughly gaming's entire existence), rape has dropped off 85 percent."

What is your source of information? FBI Crime statistics do not even come close to backing up the claim you have made here Nathan.

Reported forcible rapes as per the FBI "Crime in the U.S." table:

1986 - 91,459,  1995 - 97,470,  2000 - 90, 178,  2005 - 93,934, 2009 - 88,097

While I do not totally agree with the general nature of the Fox News article, I also believe that to refute such  claims, one should at least quote accurate data. As you can see there has not been an increase in rapes. But neither has there been a large decrease. The rate is more like a rollercoaster rather than an overall drop.

"We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

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zepontiff

Is that Fox news is lieing about rape rates. "Data" can be found to back up any claim really. Does your data take into account that the population has increased in the last 30 years yet the number of incidents has remained pretty much constant? Get a clue pastorbob.

 

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/rape.cfm

 

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pastorbob

You are correct. I didn't take into account the change in population. So let's do that. Nathan's statement was that rapes had dropped 85% in the last thirty years.

1980 population (source U.S. Census Bureau) - 227,000,000 1980 reported rapes (FBI Crime stats) - 83,000

That is one rape per 2734 people (227M/83K).

2009 population - 307,000,000 (Estimated)  2009 reported rapes - 89,000

That is one rape per 3449 people (307M/89K). 

The decrease in 29 years stated as a percentage is 2734-3449=-715/3449=-20.7% That is a far cry from 85 % my friend no matter how you cut it.

I used 2009 because the crime stats for 2010 were not yet available. For the sake of simplicity I rounded to the nearest million for population and the nearest thousand for reported rapes.

Quote from the website you linked - "Rape rates have been stable in recent years." That's not a decrease.

Any other comments about who needs to get a clue?

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NotYetRated

Haha Ohh man Zepontiff you beat me to the punch :) Good work. I am glad some of us critically consider things before posting.... Sometimes anyways haha

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pastorbob

True. So read my reply and critically consider.

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Sediket

The point is that rape has not increased and has actually decreased.  Being that Nathan is a reliable source and in an article that is disproving another I'm willing to believe that Nathan is not lying on his statistics and merely has a different source.

You and Nathan now have proved the same argument, you just have a different source and although the numbers are significantly different your information doesn't change the outcome of his article, but the contrary, it helps support the same argument.

You did all that work finding holes in the article did you actully try and find the 85% statistic? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rape+gone+down+85%25 

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pastorbob

Before we get too far out into left field I didn't accuse Nathan of lying, I simply asked for his source and then quoted the statistics on the FBI Crime stats site. I also said I don't agree with the FOX News article. Furthmore I acknowledged in my second post that I hadn't dug deeply enough. For what it is worth I agree with Nathan in general. But that doesn't preclude me from questioning what I thought to be an inflated statistic, (not by Nathan but by the source). Thank you for pointing me to the source. There does seem to be a discrepancy between what I found on the FBI site and the Washington Post article.

All of that said, the last time I looked this is still a country where we have the guaranteed right to question and challenge others viewpoints and the information we are fed regardless of the source. That is what Nathan did and that is what I am doing. If that means getting challenged by the clueless to get a clue then so be it.

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kris79

Nicely written about a topic that obviously caused many of us to initially blow our sugar loaded computer caffeine drinks out our noses in laughter or surprise. Thanks be to Nathan. The MPC reader's comments are almost as entertaining in a funny, nutty psychoanalytical way. None of you guys really believe that a psychologist has any real scientific proof, do you? Further analysis by a FOX reporter of a pseudo scientific analysis of artefactual anti facts makes this all a real knee slapper. Ok. Everyone keep calm! No one is going to take our games away. Way too much money is involved here. BTW, I intend to plagiarize the word nip-tuckery as that's a really, really good descriptive verb.

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BouJhi

"k. Are you still with us? Have you remained conscious despite your keyboard-crushing rage? Good. Now it's time for the fun part. First up, as Rock, Paper, Shotgun explained using (SHOCK) factual information, there hasn't been an increase in rapes. Quite the opposite, actually. In the last three decades (roughly gaming's entire existence), rape has dropped off 85 percent."

 

what homeboy @#maximumpc.com just said. 

 

Q: WIN?

A: often....

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mesiah

Unfortunately I didn't get to read the article until it was updated. I am a republican and from time to time watch fox news. I think the article, at least the way it is written now, is spot on. I find it disgusting that you can't get "just the facts" these days. No matter what news organization you watch, they all need to put their spin on things and try to sensationalize everything. When any organization spins a story like this it should be the duty of all other media outlets to point out the falsities. They obviously can't keep themselves honest. I did not feel that this article was in any way politically charged. It appears the original was very much anti-fox news, but that doesn't make it political. The fact that any knock against any news organization these days is automatically deemed a political statement is frightening. We point to places like china for stifling freedom of speech, but when political parties rule over our news outlets, is it really that different? These days I don't read news articles, I read the headlines and then look for the facts, because I can't trust anyone to tell me the truth.

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Fecal Face

Video games cause rape?!

Time for me to sell my PC, I'm never playing another video game again!

 

 

 

 

... /sarcasm

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Vahn16

Full disclosure: seeing as my article's content was getting in the way of the larger message (i.e. the most important part), I've toned down some portions and emphasized others with the hope of being less ranty and more reporty. I'm sorry if I offended anyone, as that wasn't my intention. More importantly, however, it was distracting people from what's really at stake here.

As a result, you'll find that the core of the article is unchanged. The bottom line here is this: Fox News propagated blatant lies and was instrumental in producing them. I don't particularly care that it was Fox News specifically. (Honestly, I don't particularly care for politics as they are nowadays - but that's a discussion for another day. And another website.) I'd be just as pissed if any other news outlet did it, because -- in case you haven't noticed -- I love videogames and don't want the medium held back by slanderous claims.

I think (or hope, anyway) that's something we can all agree on.

--Nathan Grayson 

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