Future Tense: Wii Are Not Amused

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sniggler

Dave, you should try The Ball

 

It's made by a small company called Tripwire. If you like puzzle solving + FPS with scary monsters it might satisfy you.

 

Also, Amnesia is a great puzzle-solving FPS that will leave you feeling satisfied without having to alt-tab to Google too often.

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dmanrocks22

This is random and off topic but does anyone else feel as though the comment system is backwards?  It just feels like you should have the first comments first, not be reading them in reverse-chronological order.

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Wolfwerx

In the years that I've been reading this website, I've bothered to log-in to make a comment probably only once or twice.  I felt the need, here.

It is incredibly sad that in our Twitterfied world that this is considered a "long" article. 

 

In hopes that the hordes of ignoramuses don't convince the "powers that be" to cut intelligent and/or conversational aritcles, I would like to voice my opinion: namely, that I like to read.  I'm really good at it.  I would prefer that my intelligence not be insulted with little 50-word-or-less "articles" that are merely just headline blurbs and links to other sites.

 

Aside from all of that, it seems that many posters missed the author's point.  I used to be able to buzz through Super Mario Bros and many other platformers with no problems.  It's less interesting, now.  I want something more than D-Pad, button press, button press, D-Pad.  I want to be entertained, not trained to button mash.

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Mighty BOB!

Agreed.

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lolfang

MPC's tweet explains this article well, but not quite well enough.

Should be:

"David Gerrold takes on Epic Mickey, reminding himself of his poor platforming skills, and what platform games are."

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m31337

I would tend to agree about the monotony of a jumping game but recent games like Braid and Super Meat Boy have renewed my interest. Beat a couple levels of SMB and tell me you don't feel like you accomplished something.

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sladeofdark

You are old, and should be playing a different sort of game. I agree with you entirely in paragraph 14 though. I feel the same way about most new games and new movies for that matter.

I can not help but notice that paragraphs 9-13 lose the reader. you should get rid of them or tie them to the thesis better. I , as a gamer , can follow what you are saying and trying to convey. But like me you are a bit long-winded and probably a great conversationalist. However, the Academic Writing class that i am currently taking and hating has turned me into an editing machine. I hate the english language in its academic form to be honest, but now i can not help seeing composition errors everywhere.

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David Gerrold

I've done 19.575 billion miles in a circular path around a flaming ball of gas and I'm probably good for another 19.575 billion miles.  You don't journey that long and that far without learning a few things.  

I like computer games, I started playing computer games in 1973 on a Dec-10, when the only games in existence were Hammurabai, Colossal Cave Adventure, and Space War.   The games were the reason I bought my first computer in 1978, a North Star Horizon runninga 2mhz Z80 on an S-100 motherboard, and I built it myself.  I've been playing games ever since, and even wrote my own version of Lunar Lander in Turbo Pascal.  

So at my advanced and decrepit age, I also have the special perspective of having watched the game industry grow from nothing to the point where it rivals the film industry for income and impact.  Computer games are one of the greatest uses of technology ever, teaching all kinds of skills.  (Everything but social skills, it seems.)  

But some games have a built-in exclusivity.  Anyone who doesn't have the reflexes for certain games can't play.  It's not that I'm so old and clumsy that I can't play a platformer -- it's about all the other people who can't play them either, including the hundreds of thousands of children with disabilities who now have one more way to be excluded from the games that their cousins and brothers and friends all enjoy.  

The point of the article isn't that platformers are bad -- they certainly are not -- but that the gaming companies are overlooking a huge potential market.  Those of us who aren't thirteen year old boys (anymore) still like to play games too.  And perhaps, in another 19.575 billion miles, some of the readers of this column will understand that point....

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Zazubovich

My fiance can't see in three dimensions on-screen because of issues with her eyes.  She bought a Wii but can't play many of the games that are the Wii's "killer app" like the Mario world, paper mario type games.  She can't watch 3D movies because they make her barf, even ones she really wants to watch.  And I get bored of pointless platform hopping because I have done it before, been there, done that, but only since pong, the Sears knockoff Atari 2600, and the TI99/4A.

But she will play timewaster games and word games until you are purple in the face.  Wii could have more than just platformers and the interface, but they are definitely dragging in terms of content innovation.  Luckily with a pc and walmart/target/kroger selling amazing games for five bucks (Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri and Civil War, Diablo 1/2, Activision's MechWarrior and Heavy Gear games, NovaLogic's voxel warfare games) you can extract lots of time wastage at minimal additional expense.

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Keith E. Whisman

You know I still go back to old favorites like Company of Heroes because it did make me feel smart and intelligent when I was able to destroy the axis forces massed against me with the game set to expert hard level. 

Microsoft produced some of the best combat games ever in my opinion and I still play them ever once in a while, Close Combat. 

Lately I too have been burnt out on games and perhaps it's because I'm nearing 40(next year) but the games just don't do it for me like they once did. Perhaps DNF will be able to bring a smile to my face. 

So I pretty much agree with everything you have to say. 

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DanaWheels

When will the gaming companies realize that not just kids buy their stuff? I would love to play some newer games... but being physically disabled, I don't want to waste my money on a Wii. I already have a Playstation 3, that's basically playing Blu-Ray discs in my entertainment room. I don't play games on it. But I want to. I can't do physically demanding stuff, but I love games where you have to THINK.

Sure, the Wii has this great interface for physical stuff, but come on, there's got to be thinking SOMEWHERE in that... we are all not 'normal'! I wonder if it's going to take a letter writing campaign to get the gaming companies to invest in some serious designing of 'thinking' games for those of us that don't want to jump, run, or do anything physical when playing a video game.

So, David, what do you think? A Star Trek type of letter writing campaign to let the folks at Nintendo know we want more 'thinking' games?

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jedisamurai

An interesting perspective, but you really shouldn't judge console games by one game. There is as much variety to be found in consoles as there is on PCs, you just have to hunt for it. If you want exploration, play an RPG. If you want a feeling of wonder play an adventure game that encourages exploration. If you want a game that isn't about destruction play a music game or a puzzle game, ect. 

 

I am a long-time game hunter, and I have played games on everything from an NES to a PC, from a Saturn to a 360. The best games are hidden gems, and that's what keeps me interested in games as a hobby. If you want to experience something unique, go a game specialty store and ask the owner for help finding a console game to match your tastes.

 

I have a feeling the author of the article would have been better off with Halo Wars, Prince of Persia, Enslaved:Odyssey to the West, or Rez. 

 

Peace Out

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SirBC

OK, so I know a whole shit ton of Geese is called a Gaggle, and I know that a bunch of Lions haning at the watering hole is called a Pride, but what do you call all of the ass clowns that have posted in this thread? Douches? is that the correct term? Yeah, that sounds about right.

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eternally

 

I agree with the author's general premise that intelligent games are far superior to simple tests of ones' ability to mash the buttons in a pre-determined pattern correctly. 

However, all the whining about not being able to get a kids' game to make a simple jump was a bit much and makes me worry the writer is suffering from some kind of neurological disorder.

 

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eastbayrae

So you're butt hurt because you couldn't play a game aimed at kids?  Stop writing articles like this.

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LARRYROD77

thanks for that david. i like to think that ive progressed to more intricate and mind-consuming (for lack of a better term) games. wether it be console or pc. i play borderlands and bioshock among other games. and while those games are fast paced sometimes i like the lulls that come in between the action. let me explore a dungeons, dont force me through it! i will always love platforms becuz they brought me into gaming but some of us have evolved. make games that have our favorite characters that are more adult themed. i am just one voice and im sure ill get grief for my comment but its my belief and ill stick to it!

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HeartBurnKid

If you can't enjoy a good platformer, I feel sorry for you.  You've missed out on some of the greatest games in history, from Super Mario Bros. to Castlevania III to Yoshi's Island to Psychonauts to Mario Galaxy to Little Big Planet to Braid to Epic Mickey.

Yes, I know that's a lot of Mario games in that list.  Can I help it if Nintendo keeps putting him in awesome and innovative games?

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HeartBurnKid

If you can't enjoy a good platformer, I feel sorry for you.  You've missed out on some of the greatest games in history, from Super Mario Bros. to Castlevania III to Yoshi's Island to Psychonauts to Mario Galaxy to Little Big Planet to Braid to Epic Mickey.

Yes, I know that's a lot of Mario games in that list.  Can I help it if Nintendo keeps putting him in awesome and innovative games?

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wk

as an old gamer i find less and less play worthy games except these excellent games, i.e;

oblivion, fall out3, dragon age, the witcher

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Baer

I think that one of the biggest disservices done to the gaming public was EA buying then screwing up and droping the Ultima series. Yes, Oblivion, Dragon Age, Civ Etc make you think and feel like you have acomplished something. Yes, I have consoles but they sit unused for the most part. I would rather buy 3 to 4 good, challenging P C games a yeat then get a bunch of console flintch games, even if they were free.

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Demo3

My thoughts exactly.

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Ghok

I don't know about your reflexes, because I rather enjoy a good platformer, but I will say I agree with you a lot about First Person Shooters. I used to really like the genre, but over time they've become far less interesting because they've become more about shooting and less about exploring, story, and puzzles. I guess I'm not the type of player that the genre targets, but I know there's plenty others who feel the same way.

 

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MeanSquare

Once again, David, you have expressed my own feeling with an eloquence that I lack.  We do own a Wii and I bought Epic Mickey for my daughter.  Watching her play it was both intriguing and frustrating.  I was fascinated by the multi-hub, problem solving, scavenger hunt aspects that were my favorite parts of Raven Software's Heretic and Hexen games, but turned off by the agility and reflex tests that made up the rest of the game.  I wonder if there really isn't a market for no-agility-required games or if it's just a self-fulfilling prejudice.

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NayusDante

I believe that Skyrim will fit what you described.

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jth

Sooo.. you went into a platformer thinking that jumping wouldn't be an essential part of the game... ok.

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sweetjeebus

So agree! What was he thinking? Platformers are all about reflexes and agility. This whole article is pointless based on this. Maybe buy a comic book if you like Mickey that much.

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sladeofdark

word

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Ulrich

 

Try:

Kingdom Hearts for the PS2 (final fantasy with Disney characters) and my wife could control it... so you might be able to. Some jumping

Fallout 3, or Oblivion (PC, PS3, 360) those games you can explore tell no tomorrow. Not much jumping..

Uncharted 1 and 2 (PS3) some 3rd person shooting, but it does have exploration and puzzles. Lots of Jumping... but very forgiving.

Although if I was talking to you at the water cooler I'd recommend Heavy Rain.

 

 

 

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Shalbatana

You said exactly what I've been thinking. I don't have epic mickey, but with all the wii and DS games I've seen (and to be fair, most console games in general...though disclaimer: I only buy the big kid games for the PC) are all about mastering the ability to use the game system, not about challenging the player's brain.

 

That's not to say I hate all games like that. Spyro is one of my all-time favs, and toy story 3 has been a lot of fun too so far.... but perhaps that's because they do have an element of exploration to them. Even if superficial, and even though they don't challenge the mind.

For those of us who want to think as we play...there's strategy, and there's retro.

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Shalbatana

You said exactly what I've been thinking. I don't have epic mickey, but with all the wii and DS games I've seen (and to be fair, most console games in general...though disclaimer: I only buy the big kid games for the PC) are all about mastering the ability to use the game system, not about challenging the player's brain.

 

That's not to say I hate all games like that. Spyro is one of my all-time favs, and toy story 3 has been a lot of fun too so far.... but perhaps that's because they do have an element of exploration to them. Even if superficial, and even though they don't challenge the mind.

For those of us who want to think as we play...there's strategy, and there's retro.

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sladeofdark

You said exactly what you said, twice.

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Dysthymia

Okay, my attention span was challenged. But that is my own failing. He had a point to make and he expanded on it in an effective manner. Would you have rather read "Tw1tch g4m1ng sux0rz!" and that's it?

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Bigbootie

You took that many paragraphs to say that you suck at games? That was several minutes of my life I will never get back.

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linkmaster6

Dear god you are getting more and more long winded

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