gatorXXX

November 03, 2012 at 3:40pm

Ballmer and the dipshits around him need to hang their head in shame...

YOUR FIRED!

MarioJP

November 03, 2012 at 3:07pm

I really don't know why there is so much hate regarding Windows 8. Having a separate OS?? like if that is a good idea. I don't know what you guys are expecting but one thing for sure that the way we use our computers is changing. Just imagine if MS released another Windows 7. Just another desktop. What is the excuse now?? "Same o thing MS is not innovating why bother to upgrade if 7 does the same"

The fact of the matter is that Windows 8 brings interesting ways one uses their computers. Windows 8 reminds me one of those movies where the content is full screen, hiding the OS. Nothing really taken away. and its not counter-intuitive. What would the world be 10 years from now on..

"not upgrading to windows 11 gonna hang on to 7 or XP" This legacy can only go so far.

All credibility is lost when one says "Give me back my start Menu" really??? I mean sure it served its role for more than a decade, but c'mon it is not a big of a deal. I already figured windows 8 in's and outs. I find Windows 8 for me personally to be much more enjoyable experience than 7.

Some of you overly exaggerate just like this article lmao.

califrag

November 03, 2012 at 1:22pm

I agree with the majority of the article's points but since the points critically needed to correct MS 8 (I really can't call it Windows...since it doesn't even have any) and the suggestion that SP1 wont happen until perhaps 2014 instead of November 2012, it only makes me happy that I have two pristine copies of Win7 Pro 64 in a safe place.

I'll never understand MS's middle-finger to the billions of desktop owners without a touch screen and who don't want a crippled work or recreation experience, but since MS has now defined their intent to stop being involved in the desktop computer market I fully intend to begin my study of the Penguin. I will not purchase MS 8 until they actually make it Windows 8 with a Metro interface that can be applied if wanted. Better yet, how about a Windows 8 for desktops and separate OS for tablets and smartphones? Or is that too radical?

ss81bja

November 03, 2012 at 1:02pm

Most of Win 8 flaws are UI(Metro) based but are such that it can kill the user experience. Win8 is basically Win7 enhanced + Metro. At the core it is still as good as Win 7 so any SP shouldn't be too hard. In fact I can see a lot of 3rd party software developed to improve Metro.

What i want to see:-
1) the start screen is a poor substitute to the start menu. Either put
back the start menu or make the superbar more customizable(e.g. like ObjectDock)

2) Metro just blatantly lacks UI customization options eg there should be folder tiles to put icon groups in, changing tile colors etc.

I still applauded Microsoft for Win8 because it recognizes that the future is touch but does not forget that Windows is a desktop OS.

Jeffredo

November 03, 2012 at 10:37am

Evolution, not revolution Microsoft. You've condition people over 20 years to expect certain things from the UI. Every OS since 3.1 has been a refinement, not a reinvention.

compguytracy

November 03, 2012 at 10:35am

In desktop, file explorer is pinned automatically to task bar, open file explorer, find computer, right click to get to control panel, system properties, device manager, etc.

burntham77

November 03, 2012 at 9:58am

Everything from MaxPCs recent Windows 8 Tips article would be nice to see made the norm in the OS. Also, I would like to see them take everything from the Control Panel and move it to the new Settings area. If they want us to use the new interface, then let's use it.

JMK60

November 03, 2012 at 8:36am

Not sure what you mean by: "Here’s the confusing bit. If you go to load Internet Explorer, the Metro app, it doesn’t match up with the desktop-based version of Internet Explorer in the slightest." I just set IE up within Metro with my favorite tabs, addition of Menu bar, ext.....then closed it and launched from desktop. Came up just like I set it up on Metro.

Erris

November 03, 2012 at 7:17am

I agree with every point of the article and want to add a few additional changes I would like to see:

Ability to add people to contact list from the new Mail app.

Ability to NOT show the hotmail email account in the new Mail app.

Ability for the Calendar app to scan the mail account for any scheduled events - like deliveries, plane ticket confirmation emails, etc and create calendar entries for them.

Ability to scroll the metro UI by moving the mouse to the left/right edges of the screen.

Ability to freely place tiles in any pattern I choose.

Ability to further increase tile to any combination from 1x1 to at least 4x4. I would prefer to be able to be able to make a single tile the size of the current columns if I want a bunch of news info there for example.

Less wasted space around the tiles.

Improved Music app view - want to be able to see my music by folder.

Improved Video app view - want to be able to see my videos by folder.

For both Music and Video apps - My content should be the default view, not what they want to sell to me. When they make the OS free, then they can put priority on sponsored content.

Add Close buttons to Metro Apps

Make the shutoff/Sleep etc commands closer. Tired of digging 2 layers down to get basic functionality

Add Widgets/Gadgets to the regular desktop.

Make it possible to have a window open over the Metro UI start menu.

Get rid of the 3 buckets where results get segregated when searching for apps in the Metro Start menu. Should have only 1 bucket for results.

Apps should add a link only to the main program .exe file to the Start menu.

Update ALL windows throughout the OS to have the same Metro UI borders

Update ALL windows throughout the OS to be re-sizable. Reading the various old settings windows 4-5 lines at a time might have been good enough when we had 640x480 resolution displays, but is not anymore.

Make "hubs" for things like Games - Something like one main games "tile" which when clicked "unfolds" the games you have installed as an overlay instead of a new window.

There were more things I found lacking, but they don't come to mind now.

Duck Dodgers

November 03, 2012 at 7:09am

Two words, dual-monitors.

Stocklone

November 03, 2012 at 6:51am

The only things I agree with this article is that it's confusing that only the default browser can run in Metro mode. And that tiles should be able to auto arrange themselves by group. Android has the exact same issue. If this stuff is organized and categorized in the app store, the user should have an option of taking advantage of that. Or add the ability to tell it which group to go to when you select to install the app. It could be a list right under the download button. Or you could have a zoomed out copy of the start screen on the bottom and you would drag the icon to the group you wanted it to go to when you install the app if you want to make it more of a NUI feeling. You don't even need a download button then.

The only things I see happening to the start screen, is that they add the ability to have quarter size tiles like WP8 so you can fit more on the screen without having to scroll. I imagine that would make 7 tiles looks better too since you will has less whitespace space around the icon. And the ability to delete entire groups in the zoomed out mode. This way if some 7 program barfs out 20 tiles, you can grab 1 or 2 you actually want, zoom out and toss the rest with two clicks.

Gutter96

November 03, 2012 at 6:54am

The only real thing I would like to see is for Microsoft to give the user the option to turn "Metro" on or off. If you like it turn it on. If you don't turn it off. It can't be that hard. I personally like some of the Metro Apps. Maps is good, weather is good and there are a few others that I really like as well. I DON'T like that I have TWO DIFFERENT versions of Chrome, that are completely separate (histories, shortcuts, etc.)

If I don't have either a tablet OR a smartphone, why would I run a tablet/phone interface on my PC? It's because Microsoft wants to "unify" their OS across all platforms. Well guess what? It only makes a difference if you have a WINDOWS tablet, a WINDOWS phone and an XBox! How many of you out there are ready to can your android phones and tablets for a windows version? Last I checked, 75 percent of mobile devices use ANDROID. That leaves 24 percent running iOS, and ONE PERCENT running windows. Kinda sounds like they are putting the cart before the horse to me.

tcreek

November 03, 2012 at 6:46am

Pastorbob, see the link below to delete the windows.old file.
This refers you to Administrative Tools > Disk cleanup. Choose "Cleanup syastem files". Make sure that there are no files in windows.old that were not copied to Windows 8.

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/2527-windows-old-folder-delete-windows-8-a.html

davelray

November 03, 2012 at 6:19am

Thanks guys for all the laughs this morning. It's hilarious seeing all the Windows 8 hate spewing forth from people that don't use it and never intend on using it because they'd rather rage over it. I wonder if half of you would be truly happy if you didn't have something to complain about.

pastorbob

November 03, 2012 at 5:58am

I understand all of the negative energy this OS generates. I felt the same way when I tried the preview version so I removed it from my system. But, I've used my upgrade install for three days now and while I have had to get used to some changes, for the most part I have no major problems with Windows 8. The original look and feel of Windows 7 (minus the Start menu) is only a mouse click away. All of my previously installed apps run well. As far as lack of sync between the Metro version and desktop version of an app (e.g. IE 10) I can see where that could be a problem. But I launch IE from the desktop so it is a moot to me.

How I feel about it doesn't invalidate the complaints many have against it. What made the difference for me was to install it when I had the time to spend learning how to navigate it and all of the changes.

One question though. Can I delete the Windows.old folder without any detrimental impact? If so how do I do it? In previous upgrades I was given an option to do so (delete previous Windows install. But I haven't found that option in Windows 8. And when I tried to just delete the folder I was told I "need permission from TrustedInstaller" to do it.

Any suggestions?

RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

November 03, 2012 at 5:04am

“Eight ways to not install Windows 8.” That is brilliantly funny.

Yeah, I'm enraged by the decision to FORCE a phone OS onto desktop PC users. Apple doesn't do that. Nobody does that. It was a monumentally stupid decision, and those responsible should be sacked. I've been using Windows since 3.0. I skipped ME and Vista, because of their performance issues. I will skip Windows 8 because of the Metro interface. Those boot times don't impress me. I can download a new file manager. I don't need Windows 8, and I certainly don't need a telephone OS on my PC.

If Microsoft continues down this road and closes its platform off entirely (all software must be purchased through Microsoft), as many expect they will, I will switch back to Apple. Hell, the only reason I use a PC is that the openness of the platform allows for greater software diversity, including games. Take that away, and what is the point?

Stupidparrot

November 03, 2012 at 5:00am

Agreed. I have found that I am much more stingy with the time element I am prepared to invest in a new OS than the money. Frustration and aggravation are something I get enough of for free, why would I spend my money to buy some?

igoka

November 03, 2012 at 12:33am

Lol. Win 8 has just been released and there is already need for service pack , reminds me of Vista situation. I wonder how many desktops and laptops will be returned ? No wonder stores still have Win 7 machines available. For me personally I'm gonna stay with Win 7.

guntlager

November 02, 2012 at 11:30pm

I've had Windows 8 running for a week now. While easy to install it took three evenings of fiddling in order to get it to run on my Mac Pro. I can't blame Microsoft for all the problems since Apple Bootcamp does not yet support Windows 8.

To be clear I'm a major, major Metro hater. What a piece of crapware. Weak Mail, weak Photos, weak Music, stupid Travel. The disappointments just don't end. Metro is definitely the 'People Magazine' of OSs, big pretty pictures, zero to worthless content. Oh those poor bastards who bought Windows 8 RT anything.

The Metro Start Screen is fairly easy to set up once you learn a few tricks. It's way better than it was on the previews. Some convenient groups can be created. Other than that Metro sucks bigtime.

The desktop is really nice. The new layout is cleaner and fresher looking than Windows 7. I'm using a toned down color #14 scheme with Apple's orange fish against green desktop picture and it looks great. I've also got Office 2010 set to the "black" color option. Easy on the eyes with none of that Microsoft blue on blue on blue look.

Naturally I'm using Stardock's Start8 app to bring back the traditional start button. By ignoring Metro I've got an improved, responsive, snappy, great looking desktop to work on. Windows 8 is a worthy improvement over Windows 7 and a steal at forty bucks.

Now if only Microsoft would bring back the real start button and offer a boot to desktop option I could give them 100% of the credit for a great OS. As it is I'll only give them 99%.

BTW Windows 8, Windows 7 and Mountain Lion Geekbench about the same. As expected the Windows installs kills Mountain Lion on Cinebench.

Bullwinkle J Moose

November 02, 2012 at 11:05pm

EDIT MODE

I'd like an Edit Mode to simply right click on any command or function that I never use and remove it from view to streamline the O.S. the way I use it

Not to remove simply Metro, but any and all options, commands and apps from every Window including control panel, device mangler, etc

Edit Mode would not remove the code itself, but simply the visual access to that specific function to avoid confusion and customize the O.S. to the way I do things

To bring any specific option back, simply enter Edit Mode again and select the option you want back

MicroSloth should then allow users to add functions not included with the Original O.S. and embed those functions as right click options wherever "WE" want them such as the file mangler or desktop

EDIT MODE
Add Start Menu
Remove Metro
Add Lossless Rotate for Selected Jpeg's to File Mangler
Add Record what you hear option to sound panel
etc, etc

Or simply remove Everything from the desktop and then Right Click your way to whatever you want

adding or removing functions that "WE" want for "OUR" O.S. is the way to go as they can easily be reversed later when needed

I would buy a copy if it worked the way I want it to work and then simply make a backup

I actually love the power saving features of Windows 8 by the way

It's just everything else that I hate!

InfiniteImp

November 02, 2012 at 9:26pm

Let me start by saying that this message is written from the standpoint of a desktop, non-touchscreen user. For touchscreen users I'm sure the experience is completely different.

I've been an early adopter of every Windows OS since Windows 3 (yes, including Windows ME and Vista). There was always something significantly better and something to look forward to. Windows 8 adds nothing major (although there are several nice improvements) and takes away some very significant functionality, replacing it with what I can best describe as a gimmick. I love my start menu. I use it often and I use it for specific purposes. I like my programs grouped; I like related items together, I like the ability to pin items to the start menu.

How hard would it have been for MS to give the OPTION to use the modern UI -OR- the desktop as the primary interface. How hard would it have been to leave the start button? They knew very well that unless they FORCED it on people, it wouldn't get used. This approach has, after all, worked for Apple and its iSheep (users). They are told what they'll like and they like it. Doesn't work for Windows users, however.

MS, you need to IMPROVE functionality, not take it away and replace it with something inferior.

chrome_slinky

November 02, 2012 at 8:31pm

On another site, it has been reported that Microsoft will be releasing no more service packs for any OS, from now on.

{{{http://www.instantfundas.com/2012/10/windows-service-packs-no-more.html}}}

wolfing

November 02, 2012 at 7:28pm

They should add a 'restore Windows 7' button in the Windows 8 SP1