Windows 8 SP1: What We Hope To See

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Richard Q Eckert

I want a windows 95 desktop with click,drag,drop into folder of win7,little pictures like vista,Sim City 2000 with the buy and sell land cheat for more money. I want sidewinder joystick to work with Combat Flight Simulater WW2 Europe Series and the pixel rates and colors of FAT 16/32 like on the Phillips 109S CRT.

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sasquatch1955

How sad is it that we're discussing SP1 on a OS that has been out for what, 5 weeks?

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whiznot

It seems the Windows OS has been intentionally crippled. Someone high up must either have sold short or be a double agent working for Apple.

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Teh_tourist

I have a Microsoft Surface RT, I live in metro. And It's by far my favorite touch focused OS, everything is so simple (once you know all the gestures).

I find myself not wanting to use my HTX One X or iPhone/iPad because swiping down to close apps just makes so much sense to me, being able to see all my running apps by swiping in and out on the left is so simple and obvious. Being able to swipe in from the right while playing videos and throw them up to my tv (without any configuration from me) is amazing.

I also use Windows 8 on my desktop, and there I only use Metro to get live tile information on weather, calendar, mail, social networks, etc for when I wake the computer from sleep. Metro is the best interface I have ever used for touch computing, and the live tiles really help me get lots of information without having to go to sites/open applications.

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Navyspook

I've been working with Windows ever since version 3.1 and Windows 8 has got to be the absolute worst. I downloaded the trial and played with it for a couple of days. On a positive note it installed quickly, responded quickly but the Metro interface has got to go. I would go back to using Vista over this piece of garbage. Operating systems are supposed to be transparent; not get in your way; well, Windows 8 has killed that. I can see it as being good for tablets and touch screen monitors. I'm not upgrading my two monitors to touch screens for Windows 8. If $Microsoft$ plans on force feeding us this in future issues, I can see me going to Ubuntu or "gulp" Apple. Windows 8 gets a "F" in my book.

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greek_m43

I would love to see some changes, but I like Windows 8. I'm a cinematographer and use my Asus G74sx to edit, color correct, and play Blizzard games every so often. I did a clean install with a brand new Samsung SSD. I like "Metro". It's a quick and easy way to get to different programs. The only problem I had was with drivers. Asus doesn't have official G74 support, but all G75 drivers worked, except for my Touch Pad. I've even overclocked my GPU and love the up in the speed.

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Hilarity

Clean installed Win 8 Pro for $15 on all three of my Win 7 systems. Win 7 is dead. I'm satisfied. Microsoft should end Win 7/Vista within two years and end XP next year. Fuck all old shit. Its 2012, not 1995.

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pratikrawankar

Win 8 Metro is just like a Windows 1.0 !!!!!!!!!
Soon Windows 8 will call as ""Vista Revirth""

Analyst: Windows 8 Heading For Massive Fail!
http://www.legitreviews.com/news/14317/

MS forces all those engineerings who spend 10s,20s years learning c++,,vs,.net, java and world to learn their own programming language to build app on Win RT for fucking Metro
in Metro we have no freedom

it cant play Medal of Honor Warfighter nor its MOH 2010 and many upcoming games from Bethsdasoft and Valve will have problem with bloody win 8

die win 8 die

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davelray

Cregan89 is correct, and also, though I could barely understand from the terrible grammar, you are incorrect on the games. You can install any of those games to Windows 8 and run them just fine. Now I think you may be slightly confused. There is a big difference between Windows 8, and Windows RT. Windows RT cannot play those games. Because those games were not written to run on the ARM processor platform for which Windows RT runs on. I think you are buying way too much into the anti Windows anti Microsoft propaganda that's been going on. Because none of what you said is true.

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Cregan89

Ummm... At my company we are currently working on Windows RT/8 applications right now and you can write them in C++,C#,VB using both the .NET and Win32 libraries, and you still design them in VS... The exact same way you write applications for Windows XP/Vista/7, the libraries have just been expanded (.NET4.5). We literally are able to copy and paste our old code written for Windows 7 and Windows CE and run it in Windows RT.

In addition to those languages Windows RT/8 also added HTML5/JavaScript support for building native applications. The first mainstream OS to do so.

You're just flat out lying! That or you are severely misinformed.
Embarrassingggggg!

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kris79

Bought Win8 on Friday.
Took all day to install on Saturday due to the many errors it generated.
Used it on Sunday to see if I liked it.
Dumped it on Monday like the garishly face-painted cheap hooker it is.
Anyone remember how that statement goes about lipstick and pigs?

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glarry

Finally...a sane, rational, logical critique of the horrible UI. Spot on!!!

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R_U_Q_R_U

I might have an opinion if I could install it...

Many 64 bit custom built machines cannot install Windows 8 64 bit. It hangs on first reboot. So my experience with it is running in VMWare. Weirdly, it installs as a virtual machine without any problems on the machine it fails to install. I am using Start* to get the start menu back. I don't seen any human factor benefits to 8, so I guess all the goodness is in the code.

Staying with Windows 7. That's it.

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CerealKyll3r

When the first preview release came out and I wrote about my likes and dislikes about the new OS I was pretty much flooded with hate and flame mail from individuals who thought I was either a Mac fan boy or an old man who was unable or unwilling to learn a new interface like Metro. Well, now that I have used the full release for over a week I have come to the realization that I pretty much have the same gripes and same complaints as I did before, but the primary one is that Windows 8 feels like they, Microsoft, took Metro and slapped in on top of Windows 7. Windows 8 feels rushed and incomplete with some nice idea's that were poorly executed. For starts more than 90% of the web sites I try to go to will not function with the Metro version of IE. Most insist that Flash is not installed, even though I know it is. In fact one of the only sites that does function is Adobe's site which tries to troubleshoot the issue. At first this seems like a minor issue, but constantly shifting between Metro and the desktop to view sites in compatibility view becomes rather irritating after a while. After a while you notice you have sites open in the Metro version and on the desktop. Then there are sites like Intel which have java tools which just refuse to function in either version of IE and continually throw up "installation failed". So you are left with no choice but to install another browser. Second is what seems like a kludge of mismatched interfaces and versions of applications which again cause you to flip back and fourth between Metro and the Desktop. In the end you spend more time flipping back and fourth between Metro and the Desktop than anything else. Lastly while the new simplified interface looks neat and clean after a while you grow to miss the nice look and feel of the Windows 7 Aero interface. The transparencies and 3D bliss is now replaced with something so block y and simply it not only screams at you to open up any application to just get away form it, but it reminds you of the old Windows 3.1 interface and leaves you wondering "What the heck were they thinking?" (Yes, I know what they were thinking. But still, "What the hell were they thinking?") In the end I am left wanting to go back to Windows 7 and I would, except for the fact that Windows 8 supports most of my new hardware while Windows 7 does not. My SSD drive and USB ports not only function better, but faster and it's this and this that keep me on Windows 8. I hope Microsoft doesn't walk away thinking that these early sales of Windows 8 point to success and that people like myself are some how pleased with the changes made so far. I hope instead that Microsoft listens to people like me and that Windows 8 is just an interim step to something better.

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Slugbait

"For starts more than 90% of the web sites I try to go to will not function with the Metro version of IE. Most insist that Flash is not installed, even though I know it is."

Sounds like you're only going to Flash websites. Flash is not supported on WinPhone 7 or 8, either. To utilize Flash on the desktop OS, you must use Desktop IE.

HTML5 websites will work fine on Metro IE, regardless of the platform.

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Neufeldt2002

"I hope Microsoft doesn't walk away thinking that these early sales of Windows 8 point to success and that people like myself are some how pleased with the changes made so far."

Sadly, that is exactly what MS is going to think. It is extremely rare for MS to back track on anything once they have made up their minds.

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renodude18

Great way to put it. We need our powertools and old windows back! I believe microsoft may add some sort of you download if you want pack to include all the knobs and sliders for turning things off or on. not so much a SP1 pack as they want people to convert to their "Metro" System and by forcing it on basic users they might get their way. Sadly. I upgraded my work laptop to windows 8 to get a jump on it the third day it was out and have been using it since. aside from chrome sync issues its been fine and absolutely no driver issues like on the preview/ DEV builds. I'll admit I don't mind the Metro menu for some stuff like social network stuff but other than that 90% of the time I'm on the desktop portion wishing I had my regular start menu and games folder rather than this custom shell or whatever to take its place. Give me my damn start menu back microsoft and I'll be happy. Also does anyone buy into the fact that you don't need a AV system in 8 because MS security essentials is built in?

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John Pombrio

Nice article. I agree that its a shame that Stardock wrote the only decent "app" for Win8 in is Start8 program.
Right now I completely, I mean COMPLETELY ignore Metro, haven't seen it in weeks. That is a very poor commentary for MS to get for such an essential part of the release.
If MS does not fix Metro, others certainly will. MS will LOSE their "walled garden".

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kixofmyg0t

OMG WINDOWS 8 IS SO MUCH FAIL!.......

Err....I just can't do it. I can't in good conscious be a tool and hate on Windows 8. I went in knowing it was gonna be different... expecting to have to learn new things(that's everyone's problem, they would have to learn something). Took me a couple minutes to figure out the work flow but it wasn't hard.

I'm never going back to 7. Even as good and solid as 7 is, I like 8 better.

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Architek9

How long you going to suck the teet of microsoft?

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kixofmyg0t

Probably until Linux becomes something other than a novelty OS.

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pastorbob

ROTFLMAO! Good comeback.

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ocnier

Is it me or does this feel like the next windows Vista (ya know a sort of grand beta product to produce the real OS win 7). I think I will sit this one out, however, the need for conversion to tablet-esque OS convergence can't be denied. I just feel like this is one grand beta.... Sad

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trgz

95, then 98
ME, then XP
Vista, then 7
see a pattern?

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Eagle70ss

Except you forgot Windows 2000...but yeah the pattern is almost there.

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Neufeldt2002

2000 wasn't meant to be a consumer OS, it was only meant for businesses.

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Eagle70ss

yeah, that is a bit of a difference. However, you could walk into any compusa and get a copy of 2000 Pro and slap it on your desktop machine. I always forget it was more intended for business and power users. I used for many,many years as a home/desktop OS(as many people did).

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lordfirefox

2000 and XP used the same NT Kernel. Therefore including Windows 2000 is valid. It also came out BEFORE Windows ME. ME was just a rework of 98SE with some system tools that existed in 98SE brought to the desktop that were hidden away before. ME was also the same dos32 kernel in 95/98.

In other words the pattern doesn't hold.

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R_U_Q_R_U

Windows 8 is a fail for me...it is the FIRST version that flat out does not install. I am running an ASUS P9X79 PRO with Windows 7 PRO 64 bit.

This is not an uncommon experience. Check the threads on MS Tech Net. If it will not upgrade then it will not be popular.

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abowlofsoda

That has been a Windows problem for the last few versions at least. Take out the CD/DVD or USB key your using to install after first boot so its not booting back onto it and you will succeed (it worked for me at least).

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pixelpopper

OH BOY.. thank god I installed 8 on a separate harddisk, I am NOT IMPRESSED AT ALL! I may forgive M$ and use Windows 8 when the LEAP motion control device comes out in the next few months (if it works as well as it looks to), but until then, it will be sitting lonely on that extra drive while I continue to use Windows 7. I would use the desktop hack but its ridiculous to have to use a 3rd party tool to make a MICROSOFT OS usable..

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savage4naves

Windows 8 is great!

Running it on my desktop and every PC in my home. If you don't like Metro you don't have to use it.

Leaving Windows 7 for good!

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CerealKyll3r

Windows 8 may work for you, but it's not the Cat's Meow and to simply say that if people don't like Metro they don't have to use Windows 8 is not fair. Anyone who has newer hardware has no choice but to move to Windows 8 in order to get full support for things like USB3 and SSD Drives. And while Metro is nice it has it's share of issues, none of which are related to the Charms Bar or gestures and learning a new interface. I am glad that Windows 8 works well for you, but don't chastise people who have issues with it.

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davelray

I've not come across a single bit of hardware that is restricted to Windows 8. If they are currently using Windows 7 and everything works fine, and they don't like Windows 8, then let them keep using 7. It will still be supported for the next five years or so. That is a perfectly fair opinion to have.

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savage4naves

Like I said, if you don't like Metro you don't have to use it. You aren't forced to run Windows either.

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USraging

I have thought they should have given the user a choice on install and from what you selected determined if win8 interface got installed with it or not. The interface should be a feature that can be easily disabled or enabled depending on your tastes. I do miss the start button always overlaying in the left hand bottom corner of my screen rather than completely distracting me by taking up my whole monitor. i used win 8 on my laptop for about 3months because i wanted to give it a shot and its alright. It seems to be just win7 smashed together with a tablet interface. At first it didnt bother me tell i started doing some work on it for long periods of time i just could not get used to every time i needed to open a new app or find a doc the tiles popping up in my face full screen. ended up reverting back to win7 and dont really see a point in upgrading tell like win 9.

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wrldqueeek

There is a way to get the start menu back. It's a third party app called Classic Shell (classicshell.sourceforge.net/)

This info may not help the average user, but we techies can install it for our "normal" friends :P

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riopato

I lost a 3 paragraph comment to this article due to an advertisement break on this site even though I'm logged in. How about fixing your own commenting section first before writing another article whining about fixing a whole operating system!

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savage4naves

damn, I really wanted to read that long winded comment.

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riopato

It was a point for point rebuttal to everything in the article. 3 paragraphs was pretty short. Your sarcastic reply suggests the most you'd read is what written on the back of cereal boxes.

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savage4naves

Better not be dissing the word search on the back of my Honey Nut Cheerios.

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riopato

It was a point for point rebuttal to everything in the article. 3 paragraphs was pretty short. Your sarcastic reply suggests the most you'd read is what written on the back of cereal boxes.

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FascistNation

I agree Metro should be optional as it was in the beta versions of Win8. Sheer arrogance to compel the interface and one of two reason I decided not to adopt Win8, even though it supposedly is reasonably defeatable via Stardock.

But if this is really hurting Win8 sales significantly MS can't wait until 2014 before issuing a fix. After the Vista debacle and their hits lately in the market they had better get the fix a lot sooner than the 9 months it took to release the saving Vista SP1.

Win8 is a pretty impressive improvement over Win7 but a lot of functionality is hidden from power user's tweaking. That is unwise. They really need a desktop theme that restores some of the items they have removed for mobile device and tablet use assuming they want desktop users to switch.

Bring back the included WMP and Win Media Center. It was the other reason I finally said screw it.

The closed nature of the Windows Store troubles me...and I wonder if MS can disable/delete products acquired from their store that they later wish they had not made available.

No DVD Maker...that was handy. I can live without the gadgets but I must admit a few of them were pretty useful on the edge of a widescreen.

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bittertruth

Treat it as totally new OS, learn and adapt, instead of whining like a lil gurl. If we think that MS has spoiled us decades with same UI, then don't dig in for same old UI when they obviously have announced that it's totally different looking user experience. Keyword is learn and adapt.

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TrackBallGT

Adapters? You means slaves? Oh I am sorry you are so right it must be something wrong with me! How could I be so blind!!!!! Of course I will adapt to the more limited and featureless routine. Here take mai monies!! You are right its not like 90% of the market has more diverse needs beyond photo editing and film production!

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Budman_NC

How about: If it ain't broke, don't fix it! I am perfectly willing to adapt to an OS that makes sense...a touch screen interface for a mouse and keyboard makes no sense. What makes sense is letting the user decide what interface they want to use. What kind of person just accepts things the way they are?

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lindethier

I still don't know how I feel about Windows 8. I've played around with the preview and I like the performance gains, but it is just funky dealing with Metro.

I'll eventually upgrade, but just don't see any real reason for upgrading from 7.

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angryrocker4

So YOUR personal preferences not being met means the win8 is bad? The author really doesn't need to be writing reviews if he can't figure out how to use the damn product.

Look if you're too stupid to understand what the new interface is about, and worse yet you upgraded without having a touchscreen, you need to kill yourself. Do you bitch because your wireless mouse doesn't work without batteries too?

The metro UI is designed to cut down the time you spend at the computer screen, ie ALL YOUR SHIT IS RIGHT THERE.

No start button...really? Shut the fuck up...

Hard to figure out? 2-3 year old kids pick it up in seconds, kill yourself, you're holding the human race back.

Cant customize things? Just die, customizing both the Desktop and Metro interface is quick and easy, takes minutes. You want customization, make your own linux distro.

Can't sell regular desktop apps in the metro store? Dumbass that's not what it's for!!!!

I don't hear about any bluescreens of death, lack of real usability, lack of hardware or software support or anything else that matters.

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DeltaFIVEengineer

So what you're saying is, Windows 8 sucks?

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kixofmyg0t

But but but they CHANGED it! My desktop is GONEEEEEE!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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