Windows 8 Review

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JimmyD1964

Windows 7 was pretty good. 8 is faster. Metro is a mess. I could stop here.
But...Microsoft has an almost maniacal persistance to stuff the metro into our piehole even as we gag on it. Now it's "Oh Look" you can change the tile size? WOW, what are they thinking?
We say "Give us the start Button back!" They say " OK, here is a start button that will take you to the Metro screen..Your WELCOME!"
So we say " Are you deaf? Or Stupid? Or BOTH? They respond "OK, Now you can change the grouping on the Metro screen, Your Welcome!"
My dog listens better. Go with Classic Shell.

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hope6

The one nice thing about Microsoft is they fix their software and the patches are free. Yeah Windows 8 sucks but they are releasing Windows 8.1 for free.
Tell me the other software companies that release their patches for free. And are easy to download, update, and install the software with the updates.
I work with clients all the time and I have to dumb down Windows so the third party crap works. Thank God for Microsoft.

YouTube Windows 8 Arabic Language and Keyboard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUFz56LJcSc

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PCLinuxguy

(fore warning. this will sound/appear to be a trollish post, but it is not meant to be)

Any/All Linux distros do the same thing for free such as Ubuntu's 12.04 is now at 12.04.3

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JimmyD1964

Well, If they could do a .exe written into every program, instead of a terminal command I would agree.
Along with a terrible plug and play record.

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PCLinuxguy

That's gotten alot better over the years. The vast majority of programs these days are one-click installs without fussing with the terminal. However some programs still require it to some extent. I'm still liking the progress that's been made to have those scripts that run. My buddy has never had to touch the terminal on his laptop that I reimaged with Linux. He just surfs the web with it, but everything he's done has been 'as easy as windows' to him so. so far so good.

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krimm

this gives me pretty good idea of it but it lacks arabic keyboard
http://www.myarabickeyboard.net/

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tomar33

The only conclusion I came to is that Bill Gates, has shares in Apple. Several users that I know have returned their PCs and purchase a Macs. Microsoft should really question who evaluating their OS, might be the same group of people that thought new coke was a good thing, and it cost the company millions.

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hope6

Why would anybody want to buy anything from Apple?

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maxeeemum

Looks like it's rerun season already!!! Still a great spin!!! Fear Windows 9!!! LOL!!!

Windows BLUE = SP1 for W8 (or desperate fix)

It better be a major overhaul or nothing will change. If not Windows 8 could be the biggest failure in Windows history.

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hope6

Windows ME is the biggest failure. Then Windows XP before service pack 1. And Windows Vista before service pack 1.
The main thing is Microsoft fixes their problems. Download Windows 8.1 Enterprise.

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Eoraptor

you're forgetting Microsoft Bob

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PCLinuxguy

I preferred Clippy the paperclip

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Bullwinkle J Moose

There are actually 2 reasons why the update is called Windows BLUE

It's Dead in the Water, and "Carnival DREAM" was already taken

by the way, I wish they'd stop calling to tell me I won a cruise...

If I want to watch it sink, I can watch it from here

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hope6

yep

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Well...

I'm a HACKER and I LOVE Windows 8
I STOLE Windows 8 so I could stick a fork in the SPYWARE PLATFORM and use it for something more practical than Homeland Security

I call it END USER SECURITY

I know it kinda sucks that you need to become a CRIMINAL in order to fix Windows 8, but the end result certainly justifies the means

Now I can run Windows 8 from any USB drive instead of those Windows 2 Go certified drives

Of course, as a World class Hacker, I can also run Unmodified copies of XP from a thumbdrive as well

It's really too bad that Microsoft can't see the future in Portable Windows but at least they still have their EXTORTION RACKET

I guess if they really wanted to protect the consumer instead of their profits, they would become PIRATES and STEAL a copy of "Windows that Works" from somebody like me

I can think of several schemes to license Portable Copies of Windows yet are unobtrusive to the end user

But they are not really there for the end user, are they?

ARE THEY?

Oh Hey, I almost forgot, my copy of Windows always seems stuck on Day-1 of the 90 day trial

What am I doing wrong?

Please Show me how to fix it so it expires soon
I'm getting bored

(Did I use enough KEY WORDS) ?

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hope6

is it working. or you can always format your hard drive. that kills windows 8 every time.

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Mikey109105

I agree with 100 percent of the negative comments that have anything to do with Windows 8 or Windows Blue. I've tried 8. Twice. Even with the tweaks and apps that kill metro, and give you some semblance of an actual desktop, I STILL hate it. MS needs to get their collective heads out of Ballmer's ass and make a successor to 7 that makes SENSE on desktops. I understand they were trying something new, and unfortunately it seems to have taken hold, but its time to go back to what works. 8 is a failure on desktop PC's. NO ONE likes Metro (OK, a few enthusiasts do, but other than that). Anyway, yeah. Like I said, I agree with all the negative comments. Anything related to Windows 8 and its metro bs needs to die. It's fine on touchscreen laptops and tablets but has no place on desktops, even touchscreen and all in ones. Time to move on, MS.

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FireGarden

I hated Windows 8 too. I tried it once for a couple of days and hated it. Then I decided to give it another go because I need to be comfortable with it for my job. I bought the pro version for $15, as I wouldn't pay more than that! I still hate the Metro interface, but if you download something like Start8 it makes Windows 8 very usable. I can just completely ignore Metro and treat it like an updated Windows 7 - and in that respect it's very good. Apart from losing Aero, a lot of things have been tweaked for the better - improved multi-core support, faster start-up, and a much better task manager.

All in all I like Windows 8 desktop once it has been tweaked. I still think MS have been incredibly short-sighted and bull-minded in their vision and implementation of Windows 8. There is no doubt forcing desktop users to use Metro and the loss of the start menu impedes IT professionals productivity - but thanks to third party developers that is not a problem any more. Metro is just a gimmick and should only be available on Windows touch screen devices in my opinion - unless they do a complete redesign and make it seamless.

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pastorbob

I agree with 90% of the negative comments about Metro on the desktop. But I also have not seen the need to buy or download a Start Menu replacement. I can navigate and use my Win 8 systems more quickly and efficiently without either.

But in the interest of full disclosure I very rarely used the Start Menu in previous versions of Windows so that explains why I don't miss it.

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thematejka

This was a good guide to pros and cons of Windows 8. Personally, I grew to really like it after I purchased Start8. I miss my start menu. I gave Metro a chance but I hated it after a while. As a designer and hobby developer Metro is very productivity harming. It just doesn't make sense. I haven't seen Metro in weeks and I don't miss it. There are lots of new built in features and snappier programming all around, but it was only worth the $40 I paid for it, in my opinion.

If Microsoft ditches the desktop and taskbar altogether in the future I'm sure somebody will code a desktop feature into whatever version of Windows cuts it out.

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FireGarden

I completely agree. Start8 makes Windows 8 usable on a desktop. I've had it installed for a month and not once have I used Metro. I hate it and it has no use in a desktop environment.

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no1djkb

I just installed it yesterday and it seems to be a smooth running operating system. I honestly don't care about the metro being on windows 8, I just want my computer running smoothly. For how much I paid for the upgrade I would say it is worth it. Anyway it is really easy to use and that is always a plus. You can always go to desktop mode at the click of a button and from what I can see (haven't tried it yet) you can personalize metro. I am going to have to try that today. I installed my AVG antivirus program and I got like 15 new icons I definitely don't like clutter so I plan on fixing it to my liking.

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Engelsstaub

Windows 8!! ROOOAARRRR!!!

If my brain doesn't hurt from trying to remember a simple keyboard shortcut to get out of Metro, my fingers hurt from doing it! Also..all those Start Menu apps are very expensive. I'll not stand for this. I may just start fires.

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PDX-1337

There is a big giant tile called "Desktop", if you click on it, guess what? it takes you to the desktop.
So tired of hearing all the bitching about Win8...

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Engelsstaub

That too is unacceptable. I'm usually pretty exhausted after such a mouse click.

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PCLinuxguy

dude, you are a riot! :-) cheers

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mh15216

You're an idiot.

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Engelsstaub

Yes, as opposed to the replies of "geniuses" who seem to fail in comprehending verbal irony and sarcasm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony#Verbal_irony

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mh15216

Engelsstaub.... point.
MH15216.... FAIL.

I had failed to see the irony and humor of your statement because of all the bleeding vaginas in here whining about Windows 8 who all most likely took it back in the first 48 hours due to fear of change instead of letting it open up like the fresh cut rose it is. I HATE... HATE... HATED Windows 8 for a week, and now I'm excited to get home to my W8 machine.

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PCLinuxguy

What I find funny is how quite a few of the haters claim to be "power users" and the like. I'm sorry but a real enthusiast or power user makes the system work, not the other way around, and after a short (a couple of hours or so) have the new system mastered and set up in such a way to make the rest of the mere mortal PC users gaze in awe. the whiners are morons pure and simple. I've got it triple booted on a test machine and it runs my HTPC. It's pretty darn good.

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EKRboi

yep.. I hate, hate, hated win 8 at first too! I gave metro a try for about a week and it just does not work well for keyboard/mouse and kept driving me nuts. Once I had a start menu back I was good to go. Haven't seen "metro" in months I don't think.

edit: I have not seen many people talk about the Pokki start menu that I have been using. Why would I pay more for a start menu than I paid for win 8? (looking at you start8). Its not perfect (no drag/drop) but I like it and it is free.

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Max_2000

I don't like the new Win 8

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US_Ranger

I'm not as versed as a lot of people here in the computer world but I know how to keep my computer up and running, build/take apart a PC and so on. With Windows 8, I've had nothing but problem after problem and I can't do anything to fix it.

"Configuring Windows Updates" when shutting down the PC after an update takes a good 10 minutes even though I'm running a laptop i7. If I'm about to go to bed and shut the computer down, it's a good while before the lights are finally off because of this.

Desktop mode is where I spend 99% of the time. It's not because I'm afraid to try new things but because the tile metro interface is obviously built for touch-screen and doesn't transfer as well over to a mouse set-up. The app store sucks too. (MaxPC app isn't bad though) Half of the apps don't work correctly (Skype for one) and don't have all the options that the desktop version had.

I could go on and on with the Windows 8 problems but I think most people here understand where I'm coming from. Microsoft dropped the ball on this one.

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jbcava

Some of the comments below are entertaining. Who'd of thought a review about an operating system would spark political flare. ha ha

I'm not overly impressed with Windows 8.. I love that it boots in about 4 seconds on an ssd. The panorama option for photos that are panoramic is pretty cool. What took me a minute to accept was the fact that i had to get some 3rd party software to play a damn dvd. I mean i knew this going into it, but reality didn't set in until I attempted to watch an episode of Fringe and a window pops up asking me to select a program to view it.. (I hadn't yet installed media center). I can see this being an issue for blue rays but not dvds. Media player could have been enhanced rather than taking the codec away entirely. Not sure about that move MS. Cyberlink standard actually functions nice. I appreciate the up converting it does..

I like many others opted to take advantage of the upgrade offer. I mean - even if you HATE this operating system, for $40 - how can you say no? WELL while i don't regret the purchase the key activation was a force to be reckon with. That's a story in of itself. Suffice to say, after I installed media center and got some stupid message that my windows key wasn't valid and I couldn't reactivate Windows, needing to install some dvd software, and metro - i had no choice but to restore my system from my home server back to windows 7 pro. I re-installed W8 a few weeks later and have it up and running nicely but make no mistake; this OS has some maturing to do.

What i think would have been great for W8 would have been for them to incorporate some app functions on the traditional desktop rather than metro. Enhance the start menu into something a little more modern. I think there's plenty of room to be creative with that. To turn it into an entire screen and not incorporate some sort of order to the chaos wasn't so brilliant. Fragmented is the best word to describe it. The management of it can be a bit much for someone who isn't computer savvy. I'm ok with this OS but its not something i'll force upon my folks or recommend to my customers.

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mh15216

1 - Credibility = 0 What are you a hundred? Who uses media center for anything. VLC bro, try to act like you're not a digi-gramps.

2 - Also, for that matter who still uses a DVD if they're not installing an OEM? (Point 3 isn't really necessary as your credibility's like down in the negatives somewhere with your old zip drives and some 8 tracks.)

3 - Windows did massively upgrade the "Start Menu" it's the windows key plus type any 3 effing letters of whatever program you're looking for and BAM! There it is WITHOUT drilling down 5 different columns of start menu to get to it. How is that NOT an upgraded start menu?

You trollin bro? You have to be trollin right? DVD's and Media Center are your main criteria for evaluating windows 8? Are you really just mad because they didn't make a NetScape live tile for you to load off your zip drives?

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jbcava

mh15216 -
"digi gramps.." Nice touch bro. Trollin? HA HA, you've had your account for 35 weeks, I've had mine for 5 + years! Who's trollin?
I was entertained with the zip drive comment - which i still own, and 8 tracks were before my time! Records sound better than digital, just my 2 cents.

What else is there to gloat about with W8 that hasn't already been said to many times? This OS is a patched W7 OS with an improved kernal and a sub-par user experience and metro is the reason why. Its frankly not as easy to use as previous windows versions. As far as DVD's - I use them, my PC (even though i have a blue ray burner) doesn't need to stream my blue ray movies when my 65" LED and BR player does that with my surround sound. BTW - cyberlink is better than VLC and start8 is better than the hype your giving metro. Metro isn't as annoying to me as it is for others but I think its a bad iteration of what could have been made a lot better for a desktop. That said, i actually like W8, and metro is growing on me. The apps are also improving which is nice. i'm just not going to go out of my way to sell it on friends, customers, and family.

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pastorbob

Does VLC access Live TV from my tuner card? That is the only reason I got the free Media Center upgrade and the only reason I ever pull it up. As crappy as it is, it beats the hell out of the Win TV that came with the card.

Otherwise I use Media Player Classic HC for all of my music and videos.

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Granite

LOL!!!

Loved the NetScape and zip drive references.

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Jims45wow

Buggy/useless with "unauthorized" programs, including drivers. Built in "compatibility" program is useless--Though it probably reports issues to MS effectively.
Program and content licensing is the obvious intent. They will have to beat Mac at Everything to compete within that context. Idiots.
Good years for Mac ahead, unless they get really dumb, too.
Also, A great time for Linux to take-off. Too bad Ubuntu hosed their desktop suite. Mint is great, but some parts are glitchy.
...Anyway: The old days are gone. What will the new days have? (Besides swarms more of 12 year-old angry code geniuses, and hordes more clueless users, with OS companies playing admin/licenser?)

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RUSENSITIVESWEETNESS

With all those rows and columns of application tiles, Windows 8 looks worse than I had imagined.

At least on display computers in stores, the interface isn't so cluttered.

What I see in the review looks like a living nightmare.

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jimmthang

Hey folks,

We updated our Windows 8 review to include info on the upcoming Windows blue Windows 8 update. Click on the last page of the review to check that portion out: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/windows_8_Review?page=0,5

 

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alabasterdragon

Windows 8 is not the second coming of Vista. Forget not, that Vista was the second coming of WinME. That would make Windows 8 the third coming of WinME.

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_Jono_

So I love my Windows Phone. Looking forward to Windows Phone 8 with the Nokia Lumia 920. But this here Windows 8 upgrade for the desktop is eh well I can't judge it completely yet cause I've only played around with it for about 30min, but man does it feel more fragmented than unified and I expected the complete opposite. I'm sure it's awesome on Phones, Tablets, and whatever other touch enabled device, but Windows 8 on a desktop, I have to be honest, I'm not liking it so far. It feels like two halves of an OS that don't mesh very well. Metro feels like Yahoo Widgets, which always had an initial cool factor but quickly became process-hogging spamware to me. Why was it necessary to remove the start button?! That was a quick way for me to navigate to other hard drives and browse my media. Instead, we've got this annoying secret garden of hidden menus in each tiny 1-pixel corner of the display. I get that approach on the metro display, but it's just frustratingly annoying on the desktop. I think Waldo would make a good mascot for Windows 8.

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popetorak

His is a ifanboy. He has a history of bashing windows and praising apple. He shouldn't be a journalist with a obvious bias.Go back to macrumors and keep thinking everything apple is the best. Its people like this that making maxpc crap.

Its Maximum PC not Maximum Crap i mean Apple

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Ninjawithagun

...you mean "Crapple"? lol

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joriginaloak

Windows 8 is the best windows OS to date! It is fluid and beautiful. It is constantly changing and I never thought I would say this about using a computer but, it makes working with it a pure pleasure. I can't stop looking at it. It’s different everytime you look at it and I never get bored of it. I have used the windows phone for 2 years now and the same thing applies. I never get bored of looking at my phone it is literally alive with activity and totally personal to me. The animations on windows 8 are even better! the few differences in the operation are very easy to get used to and after maybe half an hour of confusion I quickly got to grips with the new layout and functions. I find the desktop environment very useful for my hardcore programmes like Autocad, Microstation and adobe Photoshop, Indesign and Illustrator with the new layout perfect for the lighter day to day things. It’s a breath of fresh air and the slipping between the two are fast fluid and simple. I imagine with dual screen these two contrasting UI’s will come into their own. It’s still only two clicks to shutdown and admittedly the start menu is new but it easily allows you to pin such things as control panel and computer to the start screen for easier access to the PCs core functions and your key files. I could go on and on but I won’t however, I will say this; at £25 for an upgrade it is without doubt the best PC OS ever!

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WarpathPS

lol, you would pay to "upgrade" when all you do is use a browser anyway? You don't really do anything with your computer that requires upgrades, that is obvious. Windows 8 is bad.

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davelray

It's good, but I don't think I'd go so far as to say it's the best ever....

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floydian101

I decided to try it on my Asus Slate, which is basically a tablet that runs "real" operating systems. I use with the wireless keyboard and mouse as often as I use it as a touch device, and I really like it so far. The touch interface is way, way better than Win7.

I've mostly been using it like a regular PC tonight to type up my college homework, and it works just fine. The complaints about Metro are overblown. Truly making a mountain out of a molehill. It's not like Windows 8 makes anyone use the computer in the Metro interface.

My desktop experience hasn't been much different than in Windows 7, except for a few notable differences, mostly positive. I LOVE the fact that there are better options for reinstalling Windows when necessary (no disc needed, reinstall without losing personal files, etc.).

My take on Metro? They replaced the Start button with a Start Screen. That's it. I've been using Metro about as often as I would be using the Start button, which is almost never. Once all my programs were pinned to the taskbar, I didn't need to look at it anymore. It's actually less cumbersome than the Start button was, and it doesn't break the operating system or detract from productivity.

Metro will eventually grow into something more, no doubt, but basing an upgrade decision on the presence of Metro is literally like basing an upgrade decision on the presence of Windows Media Center. I think it's worth it since they're only charging $40 to upgrade. I don't think it would be worth it if they were charging $100.

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alexdrudi

Hooray for changes. When they provide improvement. I tried Windows 8 for about 20 hours. Replacing the old desktop and start button/menus with metro and the new touchscreen-friendly desktop made me feel as if someone replaced my steering wheel with a greasy donut, and kept accusing me of refusing change. I've been driving cars and PCs for about 30 years now. Windows 7 is almost awesome, and I love to try new OSs and pieces of hardware. But I'm pretty sure I can decide by myself whether my steering wheel needs to be dumped.

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