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Build the ultimate living room PC and watch all the TV & movies the Internet has to offer from the comfort of your couch. We show you how!

Stop surfing the internet for a minute (we know, a tall order) and go get your last cable or satellite TV bill. Back? Good. Now skim to the bottom and look at the total amount of money you paid for TV last month. Do you feel like you got a reasonable amount of entertainment for that $60, $80, or even $100-plus? Are you happy about the money you spend for the privilege of watching TV? We’re not. The vast majority of TV we watch is available for free, over the air. Sure, we’ll occasionally watch an episode of Flight of the Conchords on HBO or a documentary on Discovery, but most of the TV we watch is on one of the big over-the-air networks—ABC, CBS, Fox, the CW, and NBC. So we started looking for alternatives.

It turns out that the vast majority of new TV shows are available online, either as part of an ad-driven website like Hulu or TV.com, or available for sale on iTunes or Amazon’s Unbox service. However, having a PC in the living room has traditionally sucked. After all, you don’t want to hear a big, noisy PC when you’re enjoying a movie or a TV show, and using a mouse and keyboard as the primary interface just doesn’t cut it when you’re kicking back on the couch. But times have changed. These days, it’s easy to build a PC that’s quiet enough to be virtually unheard, yet powerful enough to play all the high-definition video that’s currently available.

And making the proposition even more appealing, there are software frontends like Boxee and the new Hulu Desktop that let you harness all that hardware power in an easy-to-use, remote-friendly interface that combines the massive library of streaming video on the web with the DRM-free content you rip from discs or purchase legally on the web. We’ll introduce you to a couple of the options, then help you configure our favorite. By combining a few hundred bucks’ worth of hardware with a free software app and your broadband connection, you can reduce the money you spend on entertainment from $100 a month to $100 a year.

Picking the Perfect Parts

The ultimate living room PC is a balance between high performance and low power consumption—i.e., it must play high-definition H.264-encoded video while running whisper-quiet

CPU

At the heart of your living room PC should be a CPU that sips power, even during demanding tasks, to minimize heat, and thus fan noise. After testing several contenders, we ended up choosing a low-power Phenom X4 9350e ($185, www.amd.com), which draws just 65W under full load. We considered a dual-core Athlon 64 but decided we’d rather have the extra two cores for transcoding than save 20W. The CPU must be 65W or lower because of the power supply, case, and limited cooling in our system. 

It crossed our minds to use an Atom or other ultra-low-power processor, but we found that the current single-core CPUs simply don’t have the muscle (or enough help from onboard graphics) to play H.264 at 1080p. We had some luck at 720p, but that’s not real high-def as far as we’re concerned. Perhaps Nvidia’s Ion chipset will give Atom a needed lift, but you currently can't build your own Ion-platform machines.  

Case

Like our CPU selection, the case must balance two conflicting forces—cooling and noise—all while fitting into a living-room-friendly formfactor. For all those reasons, we chose Silverstone’s LC19 ($200, www.silverstonetek.com). Its svelte profile (only 68mm tall!) fits perfectly into our entertainment center along with our other components, while muffling the noise so as not to disturb us.

We also like the slightly larger, less expensive Antec Veris Remote ($160, www.antec.com), which isn’t as compact or sexy as the LC19, but easier to build in.

Motherboard

After we selected our CPU, we went shopping for a Mini-ITX Socket AM2 motherboard that featured decent integrated graphics. Since we’re not playing games, we really just wanted a GPU that would pull a little of the heavy lifting for video decodes off the CPU. The Jetway JNC62K ($140, www.jetway.com.tw) features Nvidia’s GeForce 8200 chipset, which is more than sufficient for our needs. It offers analog VGA and DVI/ HDMI (using an adapter), it has a pair of Gigabit Ethernet ports, and its onboard audio features both analog and optical S/PDIF outputs.

Honestly, though, any Micro-ATX or smaller board that supports your CPU, includes integrated sound with an S/PDIF output, and sports integrated graphics from Nvidia or ATI will do the job.

Storage

Your entertainment PC doesn’t need a ton of storage—just a few gigs for the OS and the streaming software. (You’ll access the content you’ve ripped or purchased from your desktop PC or server over a network share.) We used a Western Digital Green terabyte drive we had in the Lab ($90, www.wdc.com), more because of its low rpm than its capacity, which is admittedly overkill for this purpose. You could just as well drop a 2.5-inch notebook drive into this rig. We initially considered running the OS on a CompactFlash card or a USB thumb drive, but having some storage in the box is preferable—if you connect your living room rig using a slow wireless link, you can copy movies to the hard drive before playing them. It adds a few more minutes of prep, but the playback will be buttery smooth despite your hoopty network.

Memory

The Jetway motherboard we're using is an AM2 motherboard with only one DIMM slot, so any generic 2GB module will do. We went with a single 2GB stick of PNY DDR2 memory, which you can find on Newegg for $25. 

Cables

For very tiny PCs, it’s a good idea to have access to short SATA cables with one right-angle connector. Since the cables have a direction, you’ll need to get the type of cable that angles down, or you’ll have to mount your hard drives upside down. You can find right-angle SATA connectors at pretty much any screwdriver shop or on Amazon, but to find cables shorter than 18 inches, we had to go to Newegg.

Missing in Action: Why No TV Tuner?

We skipped the TV tuner in our living room rig for one simple reason: We don’t need it. While it would be nice to add over-the-air capture to our rig, we’d rather let this machine fall into its sleep mode when it’s not being used, rather than running 24/7 to pull all our TV shows from the ether. Combine that with the fact that most HD tuner cards can’t pull content from your cable or satellite service, and you’d be spending money just to get the same content you can pull from Hulu.

If you insist on hooking your cable box up to your PC, the best way to get HD content into your PC is to use the FireWire interface on your cable box. This will give you high-quality HD video for the content that isn’t marked as protected by your cable provider (typically only HBO, Starz, Showtime, and other paid channels are “protected”). Unfortunately, it’s incredibly difficult to configure, and it requires special drivers and a ton of hacking. Check out http://home.comcast.net/~exdeus/stbfirewire/ for the full scoop.

Mouse and Keyboard vs Remote

There are a multitude of possible input devices you can use for your living room PC, ranging from a traditional remote control to a keyboard/mouse combo. The keyboard/mouse is the easiest to set up and lets you fully tap into the massive flexibility of the PC—after all, you can fire up a web browser or iTunes and play any content you can download using a mouse and keyboard. We’re especially fond of the DiNovo Media Keyboard from Logitech ($160, www.logitech.com). It’s a full-size board, but it has a handy touch pad in the lower right corner, which makes mousing possible.

On the other hand, a more traditional remote control can be mighty handy, especially when you’re sitting on the couch. Hulu Desktop works with any Windows Media Center remote, which means you can use a cheap one like Anyware Computer's GV-IR01WT IR remote ($30, www.anywareus.com).

 

Boxee will work with pretty much any input device, but we tested a couple of Windows Media Center–compatible remotes and found them to work well. You can find a wide variety of Media Center–compatible remotes at Newegg and Amazon; they’re usually around $50. Alternately, the Logitech DiNovo Mini ($150, www.logitech.com) is a remote-size clamshell device that includes a mouse and keyboard in a smaller package. It’s a little spendy but worth the bucks.

 

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avatarSuch great detail ...but left out "buy and install Windows"

Close the cover,

 

Boot up,

 

Install Hulu desktop.

 

Aren't we missing something?

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avatarStreaming thru xbox 360

I stream thru my 360 with windows media center and am very happy with my set up, however i would like to be able to stream from network websites like abc cbs bbc etc. any idea how i can do that?

L. Future

 

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avatarThis is something I've been wanting to do

I hooked up an old computer to my 52 inch LCD and it's fine for watching DVDs and DVD-rips but it chokes on anything that uses flash video or h.264 because it's only a P4 1.7.

I upgraded the video card to a GeForce 6200 (mainly so I could get HDMI output) but that doesn't seem to help.  I tried using CoreAVC but the system still wasn't fast enough for h.264, so, fail.

OTOH I can record cable TV on it using a TV tuner card but it's 640x480 analog, standard def.

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avatarusing DishNetwork etc

can I use these instructions for Dishnetwork as well?  this is over satellite and a DSL connection.  If not how would I proceed?  I want to get away from Dish Networks DVR stuff.  I'm also somewhat technology illitterate, so please be specific.

 

thanks much

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avatarI've been a MPC subscriber

I've been a MPC subscriber since Boot and one thing has been consistent... they are always showing how people with a lot of money can have the collest toys.

Come on guys, it sure would show more balls and less BS to show what a low cost solution would be for this kind of thing. I'm running XBMC on my XBOXen and it works just great. Can't stream hulu (the pluging has never worked for me), but so what? That's what bit torrent is for. It can't handly HD, but then I'd be downloading/ripping files that are too significantly larger to keep a collection (until xbox360s become cheap second hand ;) ).

Nice article,  as always, but really. :)

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avatar Running the OS on a CompactFlash card or a USB thumb drive

 You guys said you could run the OS from a CompactFlash card or a USB thumb drive. How do you do this?

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avatarIn case you haven't noticed

In case you haven't noticed, there is no boxee capability on windows. This means that unless you dual-boot, the only system you can run this on is shutter OS X!!! 

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avatarRE: In case you haven't noticed

Have you taken a look at page 4? It specifically mentions the Boxee Alpha for Windows, granted that's not the ideal solution, there is Boxee capability on Windows.

 

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avatarSounds like a good build

Sounds like a good build but why didnt they consider the new ion boards from zotac. They have just enough power for HD video and work well enough for Hulu and the best part is... there PASSIVE which makes it well suitable as an HTPC mobo. Also they have pcie 1x slots allow 3rd party sounds cards such as the X-Fi Forte and in the near future The X-Fi home theater HD which would make it perfect for Extensive blue ray playback (DD Truehd, DTS HD, etc) and essentially make it the ultimate HTPC. Now if only there was a slimline blue-ray rom drive to fit in that fabulous case.

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avatarNice article, if you are

Nice article, if you are building a HTPC ... or you can send a big phat fiber to where hulu don't offer services ;)

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avatarinstall OS ?

I am assuming that you have to install an OS on this build and have the system connected to a broadband cable.  No mention of installing the OS in the article.  Also the cost of the build did not mention an OS.

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avatarThat works, but there's

That works, but there's something to be said for having a dedicated system to handle your home theater needs.  Call me crazy, but sometimes (read: all the time) I like to surf the web while I'm watching tv.  I could pause the show and use the computer hooked to the tv, or I could walk across the room and use my gaming rig.  I find the most convenient thing is to just have my laptop on the couch with me so I can watch the show and surf at the same time.

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avatarAgreed - usually my GF's

Agreed - usually my GF's laptop is sitting on the coffee table if we're watching Hulu on the tv - and (when she's actually home) she's not a multitasker, so I use hers :)

 

 

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avataryea I think a laptop may be

yea I think a laptop may be cheaper, of course if you kept an eye on NewEgg you could probably cut the cost on this one down.

 Then install Veoh Player and Miro so that you can get some channels or using hulu to watch shows online.

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avatarWhy not use Laptop with Dock

Why not use Laptop with Dock station?

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avatarstill no boxee

for us windows slobs who didn't get in on the private alpha!

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avatarAll I watch is cable

If channels like The Science Chanel, History Channel, National Geographic, Spike, Discovery Channel and NFL Network offered online programming I would do this in a heartbeat. Besides sporting events I only watch one network TV show: 24.

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avatarAmen Brother

Leave it to Comcrap to charge an additional $45 bucks for the Science Channel, History International, and Nfl Network. Funny those are exactly the same channels I watch. I on the other hand am partial to Heroes for my network show

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avatarYeah, typical Comcast

Yeah, typical Comcast bullshit. We almost lost NFL Network completely, but thanks to their "positive negotiations" it's still available...for more money, of course.

Always wanted to check out Heroes, but it's on during Monday Night Football. Which I'm not missing.

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avatarAlternative to Boxee & HULU player

Has nobody heard of the awesome ZINC program from ZeeVee.com? It is in Beta3 & I think it works pretty well compared to the Boxee Alph for Windows. I have it running on my Win7 RC machine right now & it pretty cool. Especially since it lets you add your favorite networks & shows newly added shows in the "New"section for you to watch automatically. Give it a try!

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avatar@ craig thanks

I've been looking for boxee alternatives for a while now and never stumbled across this.  Thanks man!

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avatarZinc

You're welcome. Zinc also allows you to add apps to its Apps menu. So I've added Windows media center, itunes, Boxee, & the new HULU Desktop player to my list of Apps to open from the Zinc program as I have Zinc in my startup folder of my Media Center PC. Pretty sweet setup if you ask me.

 

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avatarWakeup for TV recording

Just a heads up, but you don't need to leave your media center on 24/7 to record TV programs with a TV tuner card. PVRs like MythTV allow you to set up automatic wake and shutdown for your scheduled recordings.

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avatarYeah

That comment also thru me for a loop.  My HTPC with Media Center wakes up and sleeps all day long recording over the air HD shows which look 400% better then any HULU shows.

So a TV Tuner card is an absolute must!!!

 

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avatarAMD CPU No Longer Sold?

The AMD Phenom X4 9350e isn't listed anywhere on Newegg.... Did AMD stop producting of this CPU already?  If so what NEW CPU does Maximum PC recommend?

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avatarI just bought the 9350e from

I just bought the 9350e from Newegg 2 weeks ago.

 

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avatarI've always wanted...

I have always wanted a laptop connected to a TV (keeps things clean) running ether mithubuntu or a version of windows with media center (not media player) and klite codec pack with another computer on the network to actually hold all the movies I have and keep from having to hear noise... yes I know the "maxpc" way is probibly better but can anyone else tell me what they think?

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avatarNice job

This is pretty sweet and would do it, if I already did not have a ps3 in the tv room. I can play hulu right from the ps3 browser, stream torrented movies from tvversity, and play netflix through playon, which is all ok, it works, but is not pretty. This looks kick ass. Never had cable, never will, as long as people keep seeding dexter.

 

Is Hulu desktop a response to boxee or the reason they were breaking it? 

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avatarLet me be the first to say

This is totally awesome! If I were the one paying for cable in my home, I'd seriously consider this!

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avatarI love this!

I simply love this idea.  However, I don't care about the size of the case.  The sound I may care about, but really guys, to me (the hardcore hardware guy) I don't care how big it is.  Is it possible that you guys do a write up on something that has a normal case?  I am thinking of something that is a NAS/Media Player blend that is hooked up to the T.V.  It will be on almost 24/7 and will have a large contingent of hard drives for all of that media I have. 

 I don't mind having a full tower.  I want it to be able to handle all of the video options you guys have here, as well as the sound options.  Could you possibly create a guide for this? 

 FYI, I really appreciate the $500 dollar gaming PC (that plays Crysis).  Using spare parts and some of the parts you guys recommended, my friends and I successfully created a gaming rig for our one broke friend.  He is in love.  Thanks again!

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avatarYou don't really need a

You don't really need a guide to do what you're looking for - just modify this guide to suit your needs.  For example:

 1.  Do you want a very energy efficient system or more power for games?  If you want efficiency, mirror this build's hardware, if you want power then just configure a standard desktop system.

 2.  How much storage do you want?  Will you use RAID 5?  If so, will you want a discrete or host-based adapter (discrete = fast but expensive; host-based = slow but super-cheap)?

 3.  Do you want a media super-box?  Add a tuner,an HD-DVD/BD drive and a solid sound card (Auzentech makes some media-centric sound cards, much better than Creative).  Prepare yourself for ffshow configuration if you want top-notch HD playback and upscaling.

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My Zune çizgi film izle slept sikiş through the mess. sohbet Battery had zayıflama - diyet - diyet - zayıflama - sağlık already run down, Madencilik so when I recharged it yesterday, sohbet siteleri the clock reset as the gelinlik modelleri Zune folks said it would. örgü modelleri özlu sözler - müzikler - yemek tarifleri - iftar vakitleri - ramazan - kürtçe müzikler - video izle - yaprak dökümü - arka sıradakiler - yuda - orjinal lida - orjinal lida - sevgi sözleri sohbet - diyet No drama.

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