Build Your Own Multitouch Surface Computer

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lbclofy

would you be able to use a rear projection screen tv instead of a projector?

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Devansh

Hey ppl. i must thank Maximum PC for their efforts on this remarkable machine. I am planning to make it as my Final year project at School. Can you guys tell me where you got the applications you have shown in the video as well as the bonus section?? thanks a ton. and once again, a great job!!

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MAJORzer0

The links are included into the article.

 This is a great bit of fun. I wish I had the time to tinker with it.

~No one said it would be easy....they just said it was worth it...~

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linkmaster6

Love the idea of this project and so do the guys I work with but I've noticed a couple things that are missing that would be nice to see.

First would be how the LEDs are connected to the acrylic. Looking at the steps I see the LEDs being soldered together from in hole in a board but a in later shots of the acrylic it looks like they are embedded or stuck to it.

Second would be the position of the camera. Call me stupid but is it suppose to be set like the leds? underneath looking up at the acrylic?

Third would how the projector is mounted, where the mirror is set. Is it hung dead center looking down at the mirror? A model of the projector would be nice, that way others would know what to look for.

Fourth. More specs on the computer used would be nice, such as OS, videocard used, PSU Wattage

Well thats the end of my rant. My boss has been looking to do something likes this for our store.

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robtom

no that is using it as something else it doesn't link to your computer as a camera it becomes an HID which is Human Interface Device. I did that project too.

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nsk chaos

i think i had an orgasm when i first read this lol =) its good to know that DIY touch screen is within my budget hahahaha.

great article ++rep to MPC 

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winmaster

You guys went through a lot of trouble to build a touch screen when you could have just used the camera on a Wii Remote and an IR light source. You don't even have to actually buy a Wii, you can just connect the Wii Remote to the PC using Bluetooth. More info here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s5EvhHy7eQ. 

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ccshou

I think I would need one whole year to build one for myself lol.

Hope to see it on market with reasonable price soon. 

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sparky81795

if the ps3 eye can see IR without removing the filter why do i need to remove it? does it see a broader spectrum after removal? i'm just not sure i want to perminantly modify my toy since i have a ps3 and have occationally used it from time to time. thanks for the help

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robtom

Actually with FTIR it works quite well. There is also a way to do it without using custom IR LED strands. IR lasers are possible one of the neatest ways to do it. My friend made one and with it you don't really have to worry as much about the room being dark and having no lights on. The lasers are so bright that they pretty much block the effects of ambient lighting.

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Paulfo

That's cool. Do you have a link to the laser parts used?

 Thks!

Paul

wotudo.net

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Paulfo

I recently showed my mutli-touch machine at Maker Faire UK.

Rather than using FTIR I used the rear IR diffused method. This required no custom electronics because I used the CCTV IR illuminators as my IR source. I then modified an Xbox Live Camera to have a IR Band filter and then it was just the table I had to build. I did the whole thing for less then £90 (so about $140) because I had the Xbox camera (but almost any web cam will do) and I borrowed a projector from work!

I made a video of it, you can see how I put it all together at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izwb_uCitxU 

I also used an multitouch application built by members of the NUIGroup with XNA. This gives a great user experience - very Surface like :-)

Its all in the video so please take a look! My blog has more details - I'd be happy to help others looking  at doing this sort of thing so ping me if you need help!

Paul 

wotudo.net

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Paulfo

in response to some questions I've quickly posted some more detail on my blog regarding my illumination set up:

http://wotudo.net/blogs/wotudo/archive/2009/04/08/multitouch-illumination-details.aspx

A walk through of the application I used is also on YouTube. The app was written by some cool NUIGroup members in Spain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQIQwg_6XWI&feature=channel_page

 Cheers

Paul

wotudo.net

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ptatlow

The concept and video are MOST amazing! I've read the "how to" several times now, and there appear to be some rather large holes in the concept..  ie: Exactly WHICH type of LEDs did you buy? I went to the website you mentioned, and there are many,many options to choose from.  Where do you position the camera? How did you mount it? Where is the projector placed? How did you mount it, etc?  Are the rest of the juicy secrets and more details contained in your magazine that are not placed out in the open for the general public? I'm considering subscribing to your publication, however this has left more questions than answers.

Look forward to whatever additional details you are willing to provide.

Phillip

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robtom

I am a highschool student. I have made one of these and in regards to
the screen maximumpc used the team of two other students I worked with
to make this we found the best screen design that works the best is
when you actually don't use silicon and that vellum which we found that when it sees as much use as ours did that it would cause the silicon to bubble and actually cause more problems than it was worth.  We took another layer of acrylic that was much thiner, I can't remember the thickness off hand, and sandwhiched it inbetween the two pieces of acrylic, the thicker one on top with the LED's. This worked much much better and doesn't cost too much more.  Granted you would have to possibly clean the arcylic on top occasionally but it works extremely well.

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matroska

 Greetings to all))) People, huge requests... Who can help with this question I will is grateful.
Please, who did this project?? Help me!!!
There is any circuit of assemblage of this device? How all to connect?? Many gathered, please help!!!!
Who agrees to me to help, write, here e-mail Vera.krylova@mail.ru
In advance thanks (In advance I apologise - English language I know not so well)

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Geminus

As I look over my 2 year old used keyboard, I notice that certain keys seem 'polished' due to my micro-sanding fingertips. My question is this, "Could there be any impact to usage or image clarity due to this micro-sanding?"

I work in an industry that is spearheading the Microsoft (sic) Touch for cruiseliners. So, my query pertains to how wear and tear 'chemicals, dirty hands, drink glasses, etc... might affect the usability of these devices in the long term?'

Polycarbonate surfaces wear easily as compared to glass ones. Would a sandblasted glass surface weather better or last longer?

 

-Will

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SparkyTCFH

Instead of vellum, you should use a thin sheet of matte-finish clear Lexan polycarbonate. It would wear a lot better than the vellum. 

 You can usually get Lexan sheeting at sign supply or specialty plastics places.

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schinkinatror

So would there be a way to play supreme commander or company of heroes with this?

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Ananth T Sarathy

I know that the Surface uses 5 cameras. What is the benefit of that? Can multiple camera's be supported in this build?

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cerupcat

The 5 cameras are to increase resolution and allow for a shorter table.

 Multiple cameras will eventually be supported in the software. It's a work in progress. Stay tuned to the nuigroup website to see updates in both hardware and software.

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Ananth T Sarathy

Each Camera taking an area of the display, thus allowing for more resolution, shorter distance to view their respective area.

Wilt the NUIGroup software end up being a driver/device that word work with Windows 7? IE would be considered a touch device therefore enabling it's native touch support? This is all very fascinating to me. I can't wait to get my work bench set up when I move!

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s3kShUn7

Multi-Touch vista now has support for windows 7. Meaning, it thinks you own a real touchscreen, like the hptouchsmart.

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howman

another trick is to use a palm sander with 120 grit then 220 grit and finnaly 400grit paper on the edges, then use a propane torch to flame polish the edges.  Just go over them a few times with the torch and you will have a glass clear edge.  Practice on a scrap peice first as it takes a bit of getting used to.  The edge is way clearer than using a dremmel and you won't burn out your ear drums or end up with specks of black polish compound all over your face.  Remember to keep the torch moving or you will burn the acrylic, and pull back the protective coating off the faces of the sheet a couple of inches so you don't burn it.

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bland

Very good writup.

 

Just couple questions.  How durable is the Vellum material.  Would it work in a school environment, or would it get destroyed?  Also I notice in the video you can see it moving around as you drag your fingers on the screen.  Would it be possible to use a lite glue layer after the silicone to make it stick to the acrylic to stay in place, but still have the same affect since the silicone layer would still be there?

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dan171

this project is just awesome, im on ebay right now lookin for a 2nd projector to go in this!

would be great if you can upload some pics of inside the cabinet to show where the camera, projector, mirror and pc is!

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crackerjack

Indeed, more pictures would really help.

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cerupcat

Awesome work guys! I'm glad nuigroup was able to help you reach your goals! :)

I notcied an error in the article that states nuigroup is 'New' User Interface Group, but it's 'Natural' User Interface Group. If you can correct that, i'd be great for the community :)

Keep up the great work, and I hope to see more from you in the future! Feel free to refer any specific questions to our community forums on nuigroup as you see fit. 

Thanks!

 -cerupcat

 

 

 

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atcastle

Good catch, and I'm glad you liked the article! I fixed that mistake.

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cerupcat

Thanks Alex, we appreciate it.

 Keep up the great work! We'll continue to be supporting ya! :)

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matroska

Greetings to all))) People, huge requests... Who can help with this question I will is grateful.
Please, who did this project?? Help me!!!
There is any circuit of assemblage of this device? How all to connect?? Many gathered, please help!!!!
Who agrees to me to help, write, here e-mail Vera.krylova@mail.ru
In advance thanks (In advance I apologise - English language I know not so well)
  

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Keith E. Whisman

Oh yeah I noticed in the video that you guys were playing a video and it appeared to be Leaked Work Print for XMen Origins Wolverine. 

Are my eyes lying to me or was that just a preview of the movie on the website? 

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willsmith

It's just the trailer. You can download it at Apple's site or any number of other places, perfectly legally.

We don't advocate piracy at Maximum PC.

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Keith E. Whisman

I would love to build one of these for myself and one for my children. This is freaking awesome. I liked the video. You guys are definately ready for Video podcasts. The quality of the video was excellent. I hope this video makes it onto the maximumCD.

Great article. 

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vistageek

I built one of these about a year ago into my multitouch table and then did a clone display to the projector. So, I can control media center with my multitouch coffee table. (Nerdgasm) By the way, touchlib comes with a windows mouse driver so the multitouch can be used in windows and other programs.

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jwalch.hawk

So this is the mysterious 'how to' referred to in the podcast, yes, Alex?

 

AWESOME story.  Color me impressed. 

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KLM2010

Nice. Can you use the screen to show the OS as well, and will it play nice with the multitouch applications? And is there any way to control the OS using the screen? The screen would obviously not replace the keyboard but it would be cool if you could use it like a tablet instead of having to use a mouse.

Also, how dark does the room have to be in order to see the display?

This is a great article. if I can find a projector, I will build one of these this summer...

 

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Siberous

I have see alot of these touch screen and most of them are all flat, either on the wall or on a desk, but then i saw one on BuildItBlog, a newer website with some pretty cool builds, and Its a Curved Desk, It uses 2 projectors i think but the finaly product is Awe inspiring! Wish it could be a little smaller but still Fantastic!

http://builditblog.com/2010/12/bend-desk/

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Stockislander

Great project, thanks! I noticed a huge delay on the keyboard demo... wouldn't work for making music. No asio drivers?

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mlee19

That's really cool, great write up!

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big_montana

I would like to know what your total cost of the build is. You say it is inexpensive to build, but give us a number.

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atcastle

I didn't put a total cost because how much you would pay for the materials used in the build can vary a lot based on where you live. Here in San Francisco, with a good local source for acryllic and vellum, we paid somewhere in the neighborhood of $350 for all the supplies. That includes the LEDS, wood, vellum, camera, mirror, heat absorbing glass, and silicon. If you don't already have a projector to use, that'll cost extra, although sites like craiglist and ebay have some pretty good deals on used projectors.

It's not pocket change, of course, but it's definitely a whole lot cheaper than any of the commercial multi-touch solutions available right now.

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Siberous

I have see alot of these touch screen and most of them are all flat, either on the wall or on a desk, but then i saw one on BuildItBlog, a newer website with some pretty cool builds, and Its a Curved Desk, It uses 2 projectors i think but the finaly product is Awe inspiring! Wish it could be a little smaller but still Fantastic!

http://builditblog.com/2010/12/bend-desk/

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Zefir

I'd love to know that too. I might have found a summer project.

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TheMurph

Tres cool.  I'd totally build one if my cat wouldn't have a field day all over it.

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Justin.Kerr

It does seem that cats are inexplexibly drawn to expensive gadgets.

Strange creatures they are...

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Havok

I almost lost my supper reading this artice, my jaw dropped so much! This is astoundingly cool! I might build one with my dad for a neat media based PC. 

Imagine, firing up your torrents and pirated videos/games, all for cheaper than those touch based systems, but with a bigger screen!

;)

Thats my shout out to those who are too cheap to buy movies and games, y'know, help out the failing economy?

 

 

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