Intel's Ivy Bridge: The Maximum PC Review

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kerrycarney

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aferrara50

This give me great hope for Ivy Bridge Extreme come late this year or early next. Hopefully intel leaves all 8 cores functional instead of disabling two like with the 3960X

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JohnP

The 1st preorders just appeared for the i7-3770K. Keep an eye out if you are in the market as I have a feeling that they are just going to evaporate off the shelves come Monday afternoon. IB and Kepler are going to hard to get for while...

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Eagle70ss

Gordon,

You forgot to do a section on Intel's vampiric DRM technology(Intel Insider) built into Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge. Intel bowed down to their MAFIA(RIAA) masters and installed hardware encryption for 1080p video streams. It's basically Intel telling you what you can and can't do with your hardware when it comes to digital media. Remember, it's all for your safety.

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Strhopper

I don't know if I am getting my issue late (which is a possibility)just arrived today.

But I'm a little disappointed that the non subscribers got this article before me :-(

Heh
I can't stay mad at you ;-)

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stringboi

Mmmm...I noticed this happening quite often to me a while back, and is why I cancelled my sub. The magazines were just stacking up in my room, began to feel like I was wasting my money for info I once cherished. I understand they gotta make money off the ads n such, but all the good stuff was right here....often before I even got my magazine.

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stringboi

So, I waited to upgrade my 1366 socket when 1155, 1156 came out....thinking that by the time I did, a new one would be on its way leaving me in the dust. My 1366 still seems pretty fast to me...maybe because I have nothing to compare it to. Is it time to upgrade to IB or do you think this will just be here long enough to hang on to the socket another year or so before 2011 totally takes over, or even something newer?

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gordonung

You didn't say what CPU you're running and at what clock (Bloomfield/Gulftown?) I'm typing this on my ancient LGA1366 box at home right now but I am in need of an over haul. Moving to something new: LGA1155/2011 gives you two SATA 6 speeds if you run a modern SSD and also very high Turbo Boost overclocks if you're not an overclocking kind of person. So IVB is very fast, very affordable and can be an actually nice performance boost over LGA1366 (depending on what you are running.) The only problem with IVB and LGA1155 is if you want to run Haswell. Haswell will bring a new socket and IVB will be the last chip the socket sees. So, if you're the kind of person who likes to run a motheboard into the ground with chip upgrades, LGA2011 has longer legs. 

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RosEaten

I want to know if Ivy Bridge will play nice with discrete GPU's. If both Ivy Bridge and a discrete GPU are installed, will Ivy Bridge enhance the performance of a discrete card by sharing the graphics load?

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Strhopper

I would say no. I don't think these work the same as AMD's APUs. Since crossfire is a AMD thing. So no a discrete card will handle the whole load. Unless it's a laptop using Nividias (don't remember name) tech which switches off discrete card under low load

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gordonung

Correct. Ivy Bridge does not support any type of Hybrid CrossFireX support that AMD has on its parts. Generally AMD has better 3D support, slower x86 cores, Intel has better x86 (and also encoding using QuickSync) but somewhat worse graphics. Optimus does work with Ivy Bridge. There is also Virtu on most higher end boards which lets you run integrated graphics and discrete graphics.

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THE_REAL_MAVERICK

I find it harder and harder to justify an upgrade for a CPU. With a core i7 870 in a 1156 socket there is little to no benefit to upgrading, especially when you consider the costs. New mobo, new CPU... Just can't justify the cost. Plus, I don't rely on CPU much as I mostly play games like BF3. New cpu aint gonna help that much. Plus just upgrading a GPU gives me more FPS and is just one part.

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aferrara50

new cpus actually help quite a bit, especially with rather taxing games, but that really only applies if your cpu has created a bottleneck for the gpus. Going from a 920 to a 3960x I saw a 25% graphics performance increase in benchmarks, like vantage and 3dmark 11, and a ~15% increase seemingly across the board in games.

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Vano

I also thought the same before upgraded to 2600K. I now have to turn on heater at winter time...

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Maggard

My only question is it finally worth it to upgrade from an i7-920 @ 3.8GHz or should I still wait for another leap?

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aferrara50

wait for Ivy Bridge Extreme. The 6 and 8 core processors will be very tempting.

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punditguy

I've got an i7-920 @ 3.6 and it's finally starting to feel a little long in the tooth when doing Handbrake encodes. I think I'll skip this tick and wait for the next tock, though.

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EthicSlave

imho wait for tock maggard, this is tick or tick+ some say
wait for tock

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TechGoudy

IB isn't a bad platform. I believe once they release updated graphics drivers for it, it will become an outstanding platform for integrated graphics.

As for the processing power, the 5-15% gains are not worth it in my opinion. So I agree with this article.

New PC Builds should go with IB instead of SB since their isn't a huge difference at all in the price and the performance is notable

Deciding on whether or not to upgrade from SB to IB? Not worth it at the moment.

Perhaps the next launch of 4th Gen Core iX Processors will give us a bigger leap in graphical and computational processing power.

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PhuxAche

I just wish x86 or 32Bit - what ever you want to call it - would kindly fcuk off once and for all!

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Dxcv

So, if I am building a new Ivy Bridge rig should I add the 3770k or the 3570k? In most benchmarks they look to be almost the same. (I know one has more L3 cache and is hyper threaded, but it makes me question if I need to drop the extra cash)

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gordonung

That's a good question. We only had the 3770K to play with, not the 3570K. I suspect, however, that the info provided by Intel had a typo which we have since continued with. The Core i5-3570K likely is the equivalent of the famous Core i5-2500K/2550K part and does NOT have Hyper-Threading. If you are building a gaming machine the extra $100 is better spent on a fatter GPU. If you are building a general purpose machine and WILL do anything that needs the extra threads, Hyper-Threading is generally well worth it. For example, a Core i7-2600K with HT will often come very close to a Core i5-2500K in multi-threaded tasks even if the 2500K has a 800MHz-900MHz advantage. Since most games are still optimized for two or four cores, you won't see it, but if you do Handbrake encodes or RAW conversion or 3D modelling, HT is worth it. So base your choice on what your needs are.

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Dxcv

Thanks Gordon! I probably don't need the HT then. I rarely use handbrake, so the i5 should do just fine. Do you guys have a recommendation on a mobo? I was looking at the ASUS Maximus V Formula board, but would one of their other boards be better?

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gordonung

Still working on board reviews, but the ROG series in general has been very nice.

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Dxcv

Thanks again Gordon! I look forward to the board reviews.

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AdeptHavok

I was kind of hoping for a comparison to one of AMD's APU offerings. The way I see it, AMD beats Intel in graphics, but Intel beats AMD in processing power. If either one of the companies catches up to to other on either one of these fronts, we've got a killer processor on our hands.

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acidic

http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i7-3770k-and-3750-review-with-z77/23

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kixofmyg0t

Just as I thought. IB still can't keep up with Llano in games.

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praetor_alpha

"Fortunately, that isn’t the case, which you can see in our chip showdown on page 41."

"Detailed info about Ivy Bridge’s graphics capabilities is on page 38..."

Ugh. MaxPC editing has reached new lows. This is the raw print version, for the unenlightened.

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JohnP

Oh great! Here is a magazine that I pay for giving out the review online BEFORE I get the print copy. So when I get the print copy, I have already read the damn thing.
Actually, it isn't so bad as I hate looking at charts and block diagrams on a web page. Also NOT to have a IB review up on launch day was bad enough, one day behind is so-so, no review while waiting for the magazine to get into subscribers hands is not good at all.
After having read oh, 20 or so reviews in the past 24 hours, its hard to see anything new here. Nothing at all about how well it o/cs either, which most articles had in abundance.

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JohnP

And the magazine arrived today, sigh.

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Strhopper

haha same thing here

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fearsythe

You have a serious problem if you've read 20 reviews for the same product. I understand being thorough but that is an obsession. Especially since you were going to by it regardless of what you read.

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JohnP

LOL! I agree. I need to check into the Betty Ford Center for Ivy Bridge addiction. Actually, I do that with pretty much ANY major CPU or GPU releases. I did it for GTX580, AMD Bulldozer (I was rooting for it too, dammit), The 7970, GTX 680, etc. Only takes 3-4 hours to read through the reviews and I have the time.
However, with IB, I will be buying 3 of them in a few days and I am getting nervous about spending $1K on CPU chips. The same with the mobos (ASUS Z77 Deluxe). I have my fingers crossed that everything goes OK.

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alexw1234

3 of these things?! Damn, I wish I had the money to upgrade all my rigs with one of these. My HTPC is still using an Athlon II x2.

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Papaspud

Not sure why IB was supposedly released yesterday, but is not available to purchase. If intel wasn't going to release to the consumer market until next week, that is when they should have "released" them..... can you say paper launch at this point???

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Modred189

I'm not sure if I am supposed to feel disappointed...
I mean, SB was such a phenomenal chip series, and IB is no slouch. It's still, in absolute terms, a fantastic platform, but I can't help but feel underwhelmed by the TOCK, in Intel's Tick-Tock system. I KNOW it's better by a little, but it just doesn't FEEL all that much better.

I will be sticking with my 2500k for now, and for the foreseeable future most likely.

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JohnP

Yeah, it is kind of a letdown. But I still will have that new chip flutters when it comes in the door next week (if I can get my hands on one that is).

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tekknyne

Same here -- the power savings would be cool, but it would likely take 20 years to realize enough power savings to offset buying a $200 chip just for that. PASS

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Vecna6667

Ivy Bridge is not is a tock in the cycle. It is a die shrink of Sandy Bridge and thus a tick. That is how Intel cadence works. The tick plus as Intel is refering to Ivy Bridge as comes from the graphics performance increase. It be fairer to wait for Haswell before making Sandy Bridge comparisons cause that will be a whole new microarchitecture. I do see the 2500k being like the Q6600 and lasting for a few years.

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