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We want our HBO--straight, no chaser
Sure, you can plug in a TV tuner card or USB stick and grab all kinds of free TV programming right off the airwaves—in HD, no less. Or you can log into Hulu, Netflix, or even YouTube and enjoy many of the programs that are available only on cable or satellite TV. What you can’t get are the premium made-for-cable series, such as True Blood and Dexter, movies like You Don’t Know Jack, and mini-series like The Pacific, at least not until several months after they’ve originally aired.
Install a CableCARD tuner and you can. We scored a pre-release version of Ceton’s InfiniTV 4 quad-tuner PC card (www.cetoncorp.com); the product should be widely available by the time this issue reaches newsstands. We’re pleased to report that the product delivered a great experience—in sharp contrast to the first time we tried using a CableCARD product. (You can read all about the ordeal here.)
One thing no current-generation CableCARD product can deliver, however, is two-way communication. That means you won’t get on-demand or pay-per-view services. You also won’t get your cable company’s onscreen program guide. Thankfully, the one that ships with Windows Media Center is a perfectly fine—and in many ways superior—substitute.
The InfiniTV 4 occupies a single PCI express slot. Once you’ve inserted the CableCARD provided by your CATV service provider (be sure and get the M-Card version, because the S-Card version supports only one stream), your HTPC will be capable of simultaneously recording up to four channels of TV programming—including encrypted premium channels such as HBO and Showtime.
Based on our experience with Comcast, it appears that the cable companies have grown accustomed to CableCARD activations, perhaps due to the burgeoning installed base of CableCARD-equipped TiVO set-top boxes. All we had to do was plug in the card, install the drivers, visit Comcast to pick up a CableCARD, and then activate the card. Activation was a snap—Windows Media Center handled the bulk of initializing and activating the card, and a short phone call to Comcast sealed the deal.
If you have a network and the right equipment, you can watch recorded TV programs in other rooms in your house, too. Products like the InfiniTV must transcribe the cable company’s “conditional access” DRM to Windows Media DRM. Programs flagged as “copy freely” can be archived to a server and played back on most any device that’s capable of decoding it. Programs flagged “copy once,” on the other hand, can be played back only on the device that originally recorded them.
However, you can play “copy once” content on any Windows Media Center extender device (the official name is Extender for Windows Media Center) connected to that PC via the network. Unfortunately, the list of Windows Media extenders still in production has shrunk to just one product: the Xbox 360. You cannot stream “copy once” content to other PCs on your network.
In our experience, we were able to stream recorded TV from Media Center to any PC on our network; we were only able to stream live TV to our Xbox 360.
Five devices offer up unique ways of directing, accessing, and interacting with your Home Theater
They may have finally killed the floppy drive but the mouse and keyboard live on. We’ve all dreamed of magical 10-foot HTPC interfaces that allow us to navigate everywhere, but at some point, you will need a keyboard and mouse. Logitech’s DiNovo Edge is pricey at $180, but it’s still the best for HTPC applications. It has one-button access to Windows Media Center and it doesn’t seem to suffer the range issues that we’ve run into with other devices. The only thing the Edge could use, frankly, is a backlighting option.
The universal remote remains an intriguing and essential accessory. After all, how are you going to turn on and off your TV and receiver? Our answer is Logitech’s Harmony 900 ($400). This programmable, touch-screen remote allows you to quickly and easily specify home theater functions such as “Watch Movie” or “Watch TV.” Press the button associated with a task and the remote turns on all appropriate devices and sets them to the appropriate audio and video channels. RF support means you can even hide your home theater components from view. Add-on devices allow you to control Windows Media Center, Xbox 360, or a PS3.
These days, no HTPC is complete without the ability to Skype with family and friends from the comfort of your living room sofa. Logitech’s Webcam Pro ($100) clips onto your flat-panel TV and allows you to instantly begin tele-broadcasting at 720p video. Carl Zeiss optics and a super-effective auto-focus feature make this perfect for video-calling home.
The thing we like most about the Zune HD is that the ZunePass allows us carte blanche access to any and all music we want on our HTPC. The Zune HD allows us to bundle all the music and TV we’ve recorded in Windows Media Center to go. We recommend the 64GB variant ($350) because it allows you to stack hours of TV, movies, and music. An additional nice touch is that the Zune HD AV dock add-on ($90) allows you to plug into a TV or stereo via HDMI, optical audio, or composite audio/video.
A keyboard alone shouldn’t be your only interface for a home theater PC, so we complimented our DiNovo Edge with a GlideTV Navigator ($150). The navigator is simultaneously a stylish-looking remote control and touchpad. In the center, the concave touchpad allows you to maneuver your mouse. The perimeter of the device contains D-pad-style click buttons that let you navigate through Media Center, Boxee, or XBMC interfaces.
Set up your audio the right way and you'll love it forever
Studies have shown that audio quality has a major impact on our perception of video quality. Pair a great display with a crappy audio system, and your brain won’t be impressed with either. The audio element of your home theater, therefore, is at least as important to your enjoyment as its visual element. Don’t spend a bundle on a home-theater PC, a big-screen TV, and a video projector and then cheap out on your audio gear.
The Blu-ray Disc Association certainly understands this. The consortium included high-definition standards for both video and audio in its specifications. Dolby True HD and DTS-HD Master Audio are lossless multichannel codecs used to provide studio-quality movie soundtracks in the home. Both codecs support up to eight channels of audio with up to 24-bit resolution at a sampling rate up to 192kHz.
Hollywood’s copy-protection paranoia—and short-sightedness on the part of both Microsoft and Nvidia—throws a wrench into the works when it comes to getting an HD soundtrack out of a PC and to an A/V receiver. Hollywood insists that its digital property—i.e., movies on Blu-ray—be encrypted from one end of the digital chain to the other. Microsoft included a protected video path in Windows Vista and Windows 7, but it didn’t provide a protected audio path. Left to its own devices, Blu-ray playback software—PowerDVD in this case—must down-sample that soundtrack to send it over an HDMI connection, compromising your audio experience. Technically, PowerDVD could use the PC’s onboard audio hardware to decode the soundtrack and output it through the computer’s six analog outputs without down-sampling; but even if it did, you’d need an A/V receiver with six discrete analog inputs (eight for 7.1-channel surround sound), and those are becoming increasingly rare because receiver manufacturers assume you’ll use HDMI.
AMD’s Radeon HD 5800–series GPUs do include a protected audio path and can therefore pipe the movie’s soundtrack over HDMI without compromise. But we rejected that solution because we wanted to take advantage of Nvidia’s 3D Vision technology (and none of Nvidia’s current GPUs provide a protected audio path).
Enter Auzentech’s X-Fi Home Theater HD ($250 street): This card takes Blu-ray audio at full resolution, decrypts it, combines it with HD video from the videocard (via an HDMI input), re-encrypts the whole thing, and sends it on to your A/V receiver via HDMI. Yeah, it’s a bit of a PITA, but it works. For the record, Asus’s Xonar HDAV cards accomplish the same goal, but they use a PCI slot that was blocked on the motherboard we selected.
We wanted the flexibility to output video over HDMI to both an HDTV and a video projector, so we needed an A/V receiver with two HDMI outs. Yamaha’s RX-V3900 ($1,900) fulfills that role while delivering a host of other highly desirable features. The receiver’s amp delivers 980 watts of power (140 watts times seven channels: front, surround, rear-surround, and center). Since we decided not to use rear surrounds, we took advantage of the amp’s ability to bi-amplify the front speakers (driving the front tweeters and midranges distinctly from the front woofers).
The RX-V3900 has an integrated 10/100Mb/s Ethernet port, so you can wire it to your network and stream music from a server or another PC on your network or listen to Internet radio or Rhapsody. It’s both Windows- and DLNA-certified, so you can display digital photos and video as well as stream music. Need more playback options? There’s a front-mounted USB port to support a digital media player, an integrated phono input to support a turntable, and ports for optional add-on hardware including satellite and HD radio tuners, an iPod dock, and a Bluetooth receiver.
An audio system is only as good as its weakest link, so we didn’t compromise when it came to choosing speakers. We built a 5.1-channel system for $2,034 based on Klipsch’s Icon W–series, with the WF-34 floor-standing speakers up front, WS-24 surrounds, WC-24 center channel, and the 300-watt XW-300d powered subwoofer handling LFE duties.
You can tuck a home-theater PC and A/V receiver in an entertainment center, so they don’t need to look good from every angle. Your speakers, on the other hand, are going to be exposed, if not at all times, at least while they’re in use. The WF-34 series’ cabinets are finished in beautiful hardwood veneer to counter the spousal-objection factor.
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evilpair666
May 23, 2011 at 2:51pm
I built this computer the way Maximum PC said to, but my 3D Home Theater keeps shuting down. It does not give me a blue screen, it just shutsdown. Which leads me to belive that the computer is overheating, or the PSU is overheating and shuting down. How do I test this?
The case has 3 fans, but the mobo only supports 1 fan.
How do I make sure my computer is not overheating?
mackey256
July 28, 2011 at 7:36am
I ran into the same problem. I finally gave up and put on the stock AMD fan which is quite loud. How did you guys get around the overheating with the NT01-E?
kmj0007
March 29, 2011 at 8:29pm
Gordon what are your thoughts on subbing out the GT 240 video card, MSI motherboard and cpu for an Sandy bridge solution ie.. I3 and Asus motherboard (ASUS P8H67-M EVO and Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz) Of course I would keep everything else.
dan350zr
December 08, 2010 at 7:39pm
I built this per the article except for 100gig OCZ solid state drive and the Nvidia GT430 video card since it now has a protective path for the audio so Blu-Ray works.
My problem is with Media Center, soon as I start it shoots my memory usage up to 90%+ and stays there even if I close out Media Center.
So I tried it on my gaming computer (Intel I7 3.0gzh, 6gb Ram, GTX 480) and it does the same thing, soon as I start Win 7 Media Center my memory usage shoots up to 90%+
Movies seem to play ok although I did hit some stuttering when I tried to start another movie. I think my memory usage was hitting close to 100% by then.
azchris_1979
December 07, 2010 at 1:11pm
Why no mention of Mitsubishi DLPs? I was planning on buying one and a setup like this. Is there some type of compatibility problem? My friend has a 73" DLP and it is amazing. Sure maybe some of the high-end plamsas may have an edge with details, but 73" is....well 73"!!
tgr131
November 25, 2010 at 9:20am
Greetings,
I don't see any mention of the HTPC being "controllable" by a remote. Did I miss it, or does this need to be added? What parts would allow me to add this?
Also, I see the high end sound card allows you to run HDMI into it, which I assume combines the video with sound to run to your reciever? Is there a less expensive card that does this? I don't need the High End Sound -- 5.1 would do it for me!
Thanks for any input. I know I am late to the party.
David
adam.paul88
October 31, 2010 at 2:05am
Just throwing this out there for anyone planning on Building an HTPC. I have built a few now and the verry best HTPC Case is the Thermaltake Black SECC Japanese steel LANBOX Lite VF6000BWS Micro ATX Media Center / HTPC Case.
If you want a great case that runs cool, and is just plain easy to set up and add on to this is the only way to go! I have mine running, with just a CPU Heatsink, And the stock fans. It is always silent, and I have had it running for 5 weeks straight, using it to its max, and has not heated up at all. Just Thought I would through that out there for ya!
Thanks for the Great Article.
DadzBoyz
October 18, 2010 at 10:21am
There are a few things that I would value the community and moderator opinions on.
Sound card. How does the Diamond Xtreme Sound 7.1 XS71DDL compare to the Auzentech card? It uses a PCI 2.2 interface. Does this pose any problem with this setup? The Auzentech just seems WAY high priced in this setup compared to other options out there.
OK. The Centon card is about as hard to get a hold of as an honest politician. What is with the delay or staggered availability. It makes me want to look for other options. I'm not one to be happy building 95% of anything and just sitting here waiting on a manufacturer to figure out how to manufacture.
I'm comtemplating winding down cable service all together. I'm new to this so I need some help with my logic. The thought is to have streaming compatible devices at all TV's in the house, subscribe to Hulu Premium, and get the rest of our content off of the internet through IP TV channels. For the kids cartoons, is there IP access to Disney channel content, Nickelodeon, etc.?
The way I see it, the cost of internet access plus $10/month for Hulu Premium plus the Major League network or the NFL network may be cheaper than months of full cable bills.
mrthreeplates
September 11, 2010 at 10:15am
Nice build! I just recently went through the same exercise and made a few different design choices. Since I wanted a low profile case, I can't use a discrete graphics card. However, an integrated ATI Radeon HD 4200 will still do 3-D (simple games and even non-BluRay video up to 1080p). Not bad for a no extra cost solution to 3-D! It might even be able to do BluRay 3-D once ATI adds hardware accelerated support to their drivers. Alternatively, a fast enough cpu should work too.
One thing is certain, gaming and the video demos are really stunning! I showed my friends and family what 3-D was like in our living room they were impressed! This is not the old Anaglyph (Red/Cyan) that you remember as a kid!
http://www.cuttingthebills.com/2010/08/got-3-d-media-pc-does-that-too.html
Once the dust settles and there are more than a handful of 3-D BluRay titles out there, I think there will be widespread graphics driver support and more of us will be able to enjoy this.
George
jcpole
August 31, 2010 at 10:35am
SiliconDust is going to release a product that will compete with the ceton card. It will be network-attached, and should be a little more flexible than the ceton card. I had a ceton card on preorder, but cancelled it so I can get a look at the SiliconDust product before I make a decision. The ceton people keep saying that they are having supply chain and shipping problems (the excuses are getting really old at this point), so unless you've had a preorder for their card since March/April/May, the best likelihood is that you will be able to get the SiliconDust product first, anyway.
chuckh89
August 20, 2010 at 12:55am
PreOrders only!! I like (Hate) it when they say "Will be available by the time you read this". Whats the problem? Is there problems with it, and therefore holding back until bugs are out?
Joseph1059
July 26, 2010 at 2:22pm
This was a great article, especially with the information on 3D and Blu-Ray. I've been using an HTPC for my DVD Movie collection for a couple years and always looking for a better/easier way to manage my media library. I noticed that XBMC was listed as a "free alternative", but really it is far superior than Windows Media Center (at least for this purpose). I've looked into several addons for Windows 7 Media Center, but none compare to the streamlined interface in XBMC. There are several addons for Media Center that are supposed to help catalog your movie collection, but each one has drawbacks and take a lot of customization to set up.
With XBMC, you just install it and point it at your movie/tv folders and the info it pulls from the internet is amazing. Surprisingly accurate and no complicated setup. Additionally, there is a Android App for it that lets you use your Android phone as a remote for HTPC (or hacked xbox - granted no HD support for the xbox solution). The Android remote is amazing! It shows incoming text messages on your TV screen and automatically pauses your movies and displays incoming phone calls...if you want it to.
I recall there being a great article in Maximum PC within the last year about XBMC, and surprised it wasn't mentioned more in this guide.
lcoangeli
July 22, 2010 at 7:34am
I got your point!!
Very thankful for the feedback provided.
In the near future I will post the setup I finally did and how it worked for me, so other members have another reference.
best regards!!
Luis
darkstar72
July 21, 2010 at 11:20am
Great article (as always!) but I'm wondering what CHEAP tuner cards are available that will will work with cablecard (and thus be compatible with the new comcast "All digital" format). Not all of us can throw that kind of money at the problem for an infiniTv card just because comcast changes their network. I don't need the ability to record 4 shows at once, just one or two would do fine. Any ideas?
Thanks!
Kismet101
July 17, 2010 at 11:28pm
This was a good piece. I especially appreciated the inclusion of a piece about the mkv with WMP. I'm glad you threw a bit of light on the ultra cool quad core. There doesn't seem to be enough noise about quad cores using single/dual core thermals in a desktop package. The thorn for me is where do you buy one? I've used a dual core in a media pc, but inevitably I'll find something new that puts it to task or attempt to play a game on the big screen and find the want of something more. I recently put in an 8300 c2q, but it's a tough nail to bite going from 65w to 95w. It's not something I want to see running all the time with those numbers and the constraints of the cooling to quiet. I'm leery of obscure retailers found only with general searches, and AMD's site isn't much help.
Okay. You people sit tight, hold the fort and keep the home fires
burning. And if we're not back by dawn... call the president.
OneLove
July 15, 2010 at 9:16am
I've been using a HTPC with media center x64 and OTA HD for years now and its great! I only pay $60 month for basic cable and 16Mbps internet (Comcast forces me to have basic cable, says it makes bill cheaper?).
I also use ffdshow, ac3filter and Haali Media Splitter (mkv) to watch my stored videos (with subtitles) inside media center. My onkyo receiver takes care of the digital audio. I even have an external led that lights up when media center is recording shows (like on a regular dvr). This is driven by an awesome free program called ledsdriver. http://slicksolutions.eu/ledsdriver.shtml
Recently, I discovered the SiliconDust HDHomeRun Network-based Dual Digital HDTV tuner which connects to your network and sends OTA HD or QAM to any network connected PC. It also works with media center, MythTV or even VLC! (Maybe its time to dump my PCIe tuner cards?)
Can you expand your article to include OTA HTPC setup?
anothercook
July 14, 2010 at 10:01pm
I couldn't locate the CPU on the AMD site and all the Night Jar PSU's have fans. I couldn't find a ST40F. The rest of the PSU's all had fans.
Is it just me or have I missed something?
anothercook
July 24, 2010 at 11:40pm
I got the parts coming in the next two weeks, the only problem is the Ceton Video card. It was supposed to ship the end of May, now it is being shipped the end of July. Looking foreward to this machine.
Thanks for the feedback it made my day that it wasn't me.
gordonung
July 15, 2010 at 10:01am
AMD Athlon II 610e, not 640e. Who knows where I pulled that out of. The PSU is the ST40NF model.
Pball1224
July 14, 2010 at 2:41pm
The cheap price quoted for Comcast internet in the article said $20, but that's only if you're adding it to a cable "bundle" If you just sign up for internet it's $42. Just an FYI. (I hate paying $42/mo for internet)
schalicto
July 14, 2010 at 2:31pm
This was a fantastic write up! But you missed the essential plugin for Windows Media Center which is Show Analyzer to do automatic commercial skipping of recorded TV. MCEBuddy is not capable of processing the WTV files that 7MC generates, Show Analyzer is the only application that is capable of analyzing WTV files and automatically skipping commercials. I've been using it for about a year now and both my wife and myself think it's pretty much the greatest thing ever.
PawBear
July 14, 2010 at 1:43pm
I hope you continue to keep us updated on this kind of build. $1500 is too much for me, but I would like nothing better than to depend on the internet alone for all entertainment.
Actually, as I think about it, what I really want is a connected house. Max Pc has covered multiple individual elements that could be used for this but I don't believe ever from a holistic approach. Anyone know of such a site? Otherwise great article.
"Either we conform the Truth to our desires or we conform our desires to the Truth."
jaygregz
July 14, 2010 at 8:42pm
This is one of those articles that I don't fully understand. Why go high end on everything but the GPU. If your trying to budget this rig, then you could get away with this rig for a lot less of the price. When you scrap the overpriced tv tuner, and over the top sound card you'll be in business for a lot less. The point is.. if your going to go all out then do it. I realize $1800 isn't your most expensive build but still yet.. you shouldn't be stretching that much money on pure crap.
gordonung
July 15, 2010 at 10:08am
For HTPC applications.
The reason we didn't go with a hotter GPU in the build is because we wanted to keep it quiet. The machine is dead silent. George ran it at his house and his laptop was louder than the PC. Our write up does mention that the PSU is rated to run a GTX470 card which would be louder, but would give you enhanced gaming capabilities at the cost of noise and power consumption.
I'm sorry, but I would not describe Ceton's quad channel cable card tuner as crap nor overpriced. If you are paying the cable company, say $20 a month to rent two dual-channel PVRs, that's about $240 a year. This card would pay for itself in a year and a half and start saving your money after that. AND you can copy HD recorded content to other machines (those that are flagged to let you do this of course). Can you do that with your cable box and wimpy 500GB hard drive?
gamefreakjtb
July 27, 2010 at 9:16pm
240 a year, let's say, for five years. $1200.
This would be comparable in time, hopefully, around five years...for $1,800.
Basically, they spent to much. And I agree, it's WAY better to have one of these than a standard box, but at that price, you would need to come to terms with losing just over a hundred dollars a year...and I don't know.
Basically, it's too pricey here, who needs four simultaneous recordings? I'd settle for two. And a fan or two, or three, or ten, won't bother me one bit. I have a gaming rig, and it's got seven or eight fans, and is not bad at all, in fact, it's silent. This thing is too overpriced to be practical.
haboh
July 14, 2010 at 12:09pm
wow, that is indeed one bad ass HTPC! Also costs over 6 times what I paid for the parts for mine, but much more awesome. Great article!
I was afraid of spouse complaints about the lack of on-demand (which I hardly use, but she does alot) and any complaints if the computer had issues so chickened out with a DVR from verizon. The HTPC is basically a boxee box for network and online/netflix content, but even that is amazing.
The lack of online sources has kept me from using WMC7. As I'm sure you know, Boxee integrates into my library video from the CBS, comedy central, ABC, etc websites, which from what I can see is not possible in WMC? Boxee is open source and beta so has a few bugs, but I have not seen a better solution around. For someone who only watches shows once, and hardly own DVDs, this is perfect.
OneLove
July 15, 2010 at 9:21am
Try this website http://www.hack7mc.com/ it has lots of info on WMC7.
tom_renton
July 14, 2010 at 11:21am
Kind of disappointed that MythTV wasn't mentioned. I've been running a MythTV box for about 3 years 24/7 now. Just keeps going and going. Sure, it's a real pain to set up and configure, but once it's running it totally beats Windows - and it's free.
lcoangeli
July 14, 2010 at 4:00pm
I will appreciate if someone familiar with this new incoming technology (3D systems) can provide some feedback on what I am planning.
I was looking to contact the staff since according to this report they are the experts on it!!! but I could not reach them directly.
I am building the second stage of my Home theater; which is already HD ready and hopefully will be upgraded to be compatible with both NVidia 3d Vision and BlueRay 3D.
I already have two PC's capable for 3D playback (Win 7, Nvidia 240GTX and 250 GTX video cards, Dual and Quad Core and BlueRay Burners). One of them is currently attached to an LCD monitor via HDMI (1080P/5ms response) and the other to a 42inch Panasonic Plasma 6Gen (720P).
My budget allows me to get a Pioneer VSX 1020K 3d compatible receiver, so now I am on the run to decide which 3D projector to get between: Viewsonic PJD-6531W, Optoma GT720 and BenQ MX750.
Lastly my biggest concern - Which shutter glasses I may get??? Are there any kit compatible with both technologies?? Nvidia 3d Vision (w/InfraRed transmiter) and DLP Link.
I've seen that all brands releasing 3D HDTV's and projectors are promoting their own set of shutter glasses and as I understand this technology may be cross-compatible. Is this correct?? how DLP link communicate with the glasses (is it IR too?? or RF)
Since I want to be able to watch a blueray 3d movie and also play 3d games without the need to purchase different types of shutter glasses, and considering that my wife wants to see the movies in 3d (it means another pair of glasses) and my nephew wants to play 3D with me. In the end I may end up buying 4 pairs of glasses (two for watching movies and two for playing) paying almost $150 for each would definitively get my out of budget.
Any help will be greatly apprciated, Best Regards
Luis
gordonung
July 19, 2010 at 4:16pm
3D Vision does not support DLP Link. If I get this right, any projector with DLP Link will have to use the glasses that comes with it. It's possible that 3D glasses that work with other DLP link TV sets may also work with the DLP Link projector you're thinking of getting. But frankly, the way the market is right now, I'd stick with what you know works. If you buy X projector or TV set, use brand X glasses with it. If you have 3D TV Play installed, you should be able to play your games on the TV or Projector using the glasses that came with it. However, make sure that 3D TV Play supports the projectors that you are going to use. Since you won't be using the NV IR emitter, the drivers will have to pass the timing for the 3D signal to the projector/set over HDMI. Right now, Nvidia has to qual each different TV since apparently standards for TV makers are about loosely interpreted as standards for PCs.
Donnie27
July 30, 2010 at 9:19am
Did you guys run into any problems with having to resized the Desktop? At 1080P my desktop is wider than my screen. Put another way, I can't see about 10% of my desktop on the screen. I bought the 240 on MaxPC's recommendation but should have reseached a little more.
It seems completely Idiotic the was nVidia wants folks to resize the Desktop. They want it don't by changing the resolution LOL!
Do you guys know of any 3rd party app that can re-sized without changing the resolution? Over and Under Scan doesn't work on the 240 for me.
