Exclusive: Oil Immersion Cooling Goes Mainstream with Hardcore PC's Reactor

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Big Bird

As an inventor, To many question and not enough answers in this article. It's my human nature I still want to pick apart Hardcore-company's product cost Factor VS real world usage! Here is a funny story - You said, U.S. Patent Office.

Has anyone not seen YouTube?
And still only room temperature?

Funny part is the kids at local university had built them, improved them. Way better design / cooling factor 46Deg Fahrenheit/ size of a Sony PS3, looks like something 007 would pull out of his suitcase / I seen cost from $1,700.00 to $2,600.00 !
Not to mention there portability but had one on my plane from LAX, to PDX, And this was last year! They all moved on to Cell phone Technology. I must be missing something here?

BB,

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MRedu

Now that is one beastly machine for sure.

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jackmic78

The most expensive computers in the world range from costly PCs and notebooks through to expensive laptops, netbooks and game consoles and in each sector there is a name that always dominates the most expensive list.desktop power

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zigojacko

Looks incredible. What a design! Would love something such as this. Heh

 

Geoff @ Custom PC Builds

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timestrty

Great PC.This surely rezolve all the problems :))

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Dan,

 

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newuser201

Thanks for sharing this post, I have been waiting forever for this to go mainstream!

 

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ward852

if only i had the money to buy this.

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dazza145

i think although the performance would be great how long is it going to last before all the parts go soggy and no longer work

 

has anyone here bought one because i think you would be foolish 

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nekollx

how long?

18 month and counting so far going by previous menieral cooled pcs

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dtischerd

i just jumped on over to their site and priced the baddest of the bad machines...
Reactor ExtremeTotal configuration$12803.00Subtotal.

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nekollx

which is still less then a tricked out Mac Pro

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I Jedi

This is way, way beyond my budget for certain. However, this looks very nice indeed. 

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Digital-Storm

Why is old news being ressurected? This was up a long time ago. Same with the 25 Windows tips one.

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mitpatterson

If you would kindly refernce a post Will made Yesteday:

 

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/happy_holidays_team_maximum_pc_you

Read the 2nd Paragpah and it tells his planns. But to sum it up for you, He is going to repost some of his favorites from the past year. Since there will be no new news today(holiday, everyone off) 

 That being Said, you would have known this if you were a real fan. and vistied the site often.

mitpatterson

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jihnn

this puter looks well made the connectors  and finish look sweet.   i think i'm in love   course i'll have to sell my car or truck to own one,, hey anyone need a wife or child.... nope can't have the dog

 

 gimmy a service manual and let me change the oil

i have an unreasonable need to own one of these

 

 

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sampleaccurate

Very cool looking but totally impractical.  The reason noboby has patented this before is that there is no appreciable market for it.  In a year from now a standard air or water cooled computer will outperform this and be easily upgradable, while this thing will be a nightmare to upgrade or even maintain.  And as others have said, been done before hundreds if not thousands of times.  Only thing new is that someone is now trying to sell them as pre-made systems.

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corefan

I'm drooling all over myself looking at the Reactor. What an amazing feat of total liquid submersed glory. I saw the G4TV review of this beast and it appears it's benchmarks even beat out i7. It's the fastest they have reviewed hands down. Benchmarks are looking like 26,400+ that is outstanding. WOW!! I'll bet with some overclock tweakage it can do even better. Wanna bet anyone? I'll be teh 26,400 was the factor set benchmark. If so - wow. My question is who are these guys? Where did they come from? This is too cool.

I have read some of the posts here and wonder if some of you have ever worked on a computer. This thing kicks a$$. Let me check off the innovation lists on this rig: Total liquid submersion (check), 3 SSDs in RAID 0 with direct connects on the mobo (check), two power supplies (check), Intel Quad at 4.2Ghz - I'm sure it can go faster (check), hot swap hard drives (check), 3 vid cards in SLI put on liquid submerged ice (check), custom mobo with X-fi integration (check), and an amazing case design with network I/O easy to reach (check). Tell me, how can you even compare this to anything in the market with so many firsts checked off? It's clearly in a class by itself. Both Alienware and Voodoo must be nervous as hell when they see a start-up company completely out design, out perform and out class their computers. No marketing hype from the two gaming PC sell-outs will make them compete against Reactor. HA HA.

With all my excitement I still have some reservations. Is this for real or some kind of cruel joke. Also, how can the base price on this be $3700? Well, I'm going to find out soon, I'm buying one. I'll let you know how it goes. CAN'T FREAKING WAIT!!!!

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Stephenh1984

i see a typo, well in the mag not here instead of the first word being "stop" like it is here it is "top"

anyways, i cant wait to get me one of these

edit: nevermind i see the "s" 

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Aengus

The photos are amazing to look at.. question is what are the specs going to come back as.  I am interested in if they are the best cooling system on the market would they work well as a server on 24/7?  Just have to wait and see the reviews when they come out.

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mnpctech.com

I'll get to see it up close next week during my meeting with the CTO.

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pcwizmtl

all of this and no benchmarks and\or temp readings????

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nekollx

well it wont be in production for another couple weeks, this was a "preview" not a "review" after all

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guiri

If nothing else, it's pretty  :)

 

I saw something similar on youtube. Some polish guys dipped a puter in a fish tank but it did work.

 

Hey, found the link..  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9dU10goanM&NR=1

 

:)

 

George 

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s3th

I vouche for that haha :D

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Windbreaker

The patents will hold up. One can patent an improvement to a current design. Consider that all Hardcore Computers has done is take a basic computer design and improved its cooling--therefore improving on a current design.  

Besides, Cray was immersion-cooling computers back in 1985, before most of you youngsters were born ;) 

That being said--there is some very clever and well thought-out design in this box and it is waaay cool. I sincerely hope this box is not the latest BeBox.

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s3th

Im an amateur you could say on custom builds but ever sense Ive wanted to build my own Ive seen many, and this is one hell of beast. The oily messes though switching out pieces will be a tough one and other obvious watch-outs. What I like is surely enough with all this power you wouldn't need a new machine for atleast 5 or 6 years, probably longer, as long as you take care of it.

  • Be carefull of knocking it over
  • I suggest keeping it on the floor and not elevated if elevated, keep it very low to the ground.
  •  Have a desk set up thats over a hardwood floor for easier cleaning if a mess does occur for some reason.
  • Powerstrips to protect from thunder-storms, etc, or just keep it unplugged during a storm for gauranteed safety.

Just the normal safety measures to ensure the life of this PC through every year.

But overall this is one badass machine and it would take your gaming and video/picture editing fantasies to a place not of this world. It satisfies me in every possible way.

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nekollx

so i take it in response to the question "was it good for you" that would be a "yes, oh god yes!!!!!!!!"

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-it-

well this is their first oil emmersion build, maybe within a year or so they will be able to do with out proprietary parts.

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BroadSide

I'm on the bus to Cynicsville with this one. Absolutely beautiful rig that deserves to win 'Rig of the Month" and then some but is going to have a hard time finding a lucrative market as a mass produced computer. No enthusiast in their right mind is going to buy this even at the bargain price of $4000. Propriatory parts, a mess like a bomb in a chippy everytime you pop the case and perhaps no significant gain in performance over other high end cooling systems???....Who is this rig aimed at? Lottery winners and other assorted rich and shameless who don't really care about what's inside but really dig the cool lava lamp effect. Congrats on getting all those investors to part with their cash so you could build your dream rig. Shmoozing ability worthy of a presidential candidate.

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AlaskaDrew

Its a neat idea and conversation piece but a big part of my passion for PCs is being able to build it myself and upgrade parts on a regular basis.   I want to see if this thing really performs so much better that its worth dunking your computer parts in oil.  To me this looks like a beautiful pain in the ass. I feel like an artist looking at someone else's painting. It's beautiful, but I want to paint my own paintings. Its the after without the before and during man! 

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billysundays

I gotta admit this must be the most beautiful rig I've ever seen. I keep visiting this article just to look at the pics (who's the photographer Gordon). The level of proprietar-ity(?) might be alarming, but its use here is also inspiring. I mean when I'm thinking up of ingenius PC modding fantasies schemes, I never consider "Well what if I could make a redesigned, custom motherboard, and commission Creative Labs to help me". Actually I do, but i never take myself seriously. I also like to imagine what we might see in the future if the company miraculously succeeds.

  • I would like to see a version, based on their current design, that would be designed to be place with the side window facing the room, like an aquarium, to focus on its aesthetics. For example, the components that are usually placed on the front of a traditional PC case, like the front inputs and optical drives, would instead be located above and/or below the "side" window (which would in this case be considered the front window). Imagine one of those LCD readout displays completing the look.

Also, how about implementing an External PCI-E solution that would give users the ability to install add-in cards in a seperate section of the case that's not submersed. That seems like a no brainer.

  • You know what, I take back what I said before about featuring this on the cover of MaxPC. It should totally be on the cover. Sure, its best to be wary of the company's future success, but this PC speaks directly to our passion for our hobby, not our consumerism, and the photographs do it justice, and its an exclusive! My head has been swelling with ideas inspired by this article. I'm surprised there aren't more posts.

(sorry for the bullet points, its the only way to make paragraphs since posts are acting funky)

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gordonung

Our chief photographer: Mark Madeo. I'll pass along the kind words.

 Yes, I agree, I do think that a way to add additional cards or external I/O would be a good idea.

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billysundays

I meant specifically the "External PCI-E" specification, also known as "Cabled PCI Express". I don't understand why its never utilized, and an oil submersed PC seems like the perfect excuse for why PCI-SIG created the specs, to allow more flexibilty in PC designs.

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Smiling Cat

I really like how they went the extra mile in almost every regard to give you something that actually justifies the huge price tag. It's always annoyed me that high end builders charged you two or three times more for something you can put together yourself.

 The whole package looks incedible, and the features packed in every nook and cranny is well done. The design is so well though out that it borders that laptop area. Difficult or impossible to change some things once you get it although with the hardware it should last a couple years.

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Russianblue

i like the suggestion about the aquarium type display.  they should also put a few little plastic fish, or round balls in it with a UV light....which would "swim" in the pumped oil!

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billysundays

Exactly, where's the faux kelp, the little diver man, or at least a bubble maker. They sure are gonna be embarressed with themselves when read our suggestions.

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guiri

Man, I would love to have this in a real aquarium with fish and stuff around it. That would be soo cool and yes, it absolutely deserves to be on the cover

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billysundays

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Electron_Star

Just don't keep it on too long, or else the RAM sticks will look more like french fries.

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WindowsXP

We can use that oil to fuel our cars MPC! Come on now!

:p

 Lovely article, keep up the good work. 

 

 

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Number Six

The photographs in this feature are stunning.  Great work.

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billysundays

Hey, has anyone in the MaxPC staff noticed that the paragraphs in posted comments aren't breaking? Appreciate the new listing of allowed HTML tags though.

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OilPC

As Kaldor said, It has been done by Puget Systems and Toms Hardware.

http://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/strip-fans,1203.html

However, as far as I know, There are probably more than 100 (or 1000) people who have tried this kind of cooling already around the world, and I am one of them. I also built my first mineral oil cooling system with radiator cooling in late 2006. You can check it out at the link below.

http://www.oilpc.net

What I'm trying to say is that no matter how many people out there have built a system like this, this is the best looking and fully functional system out there.  I have to say that this system made a mark as a first commercially available oil cooling system in the world.

Also, for the patent, it doesn't really matter who tried to build this kind of  system first, but who filed a patent first.

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rriffenburg

Many years ago IBM had an oil cooled core memory in one of its' products. It was a bitch to maintain.

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jwalch.hawk

It fascinates me how everyone seems to think that the since Hardcore was not the first to do this that the patent isn't legitimate...

 

Clearly you all underestimate just how broken the US patent system is.

 

That said, I'm glad that at least in this case everyone is fully aware that independent PC modders have been doing this for years...  At least the right group is getting credited with the actual innovation that way.  Arguing which modder did it first is mostly semantics, and it's the sort of thing that several people could develop in parallel (ie, person A could very well have done it at basically the same time as person B without necessarily having gotten the idea from magazine C).

 

At 4k, this is really cool because it brings the machine to a lot of people that couldn't afford something more exhorbitant and aren't crazy enough modders to do it themselves on a cheaper machine.  I know a little bit of the whole nerd mentality thing is that we like to keep some of our cool stuff as a sort of trade secret, but I have high hopes for this being a pretty popular item.

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pcwizmtl

I agree with Talcum X, proprietary = bad, and also waiting like 4 hours for my oil to drain and dry to upgrade my system is not sexy at all.

 Still very cool PC btw, but, you know...

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BrookV

This is SICK! (In the good sense of the word)

 I'd imagine changing components would be a messy task. And once you dip those components, I'd imagine your warranty would be null and void. 

Think of the phone call to tech support:

 ring ring...

Tech support: Hello, Nvidia tech support. How can I help you? 

User: Hi, my video card is not working.

Tech support: ..hmm, could you take it out and reseat it?

User: ...well, I'd rather not. I dont want to get all the oil it is soaked in on my moms carpet. ...

'audible click'

User:...hello? ...um..hello? 

But then again if you have $4 grand to throw away on a system like this, WHO CARES ABOUT WARRANTIES! Haha!   

 

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BrainEater

Sweet rig !

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I have some serious questions about that patent.

My Thinktank submersion computer was published on the  [H]forums on 08/31/2004.....and a picture of it was published in the book "PC Modding for dummies" in feb of 2005..

/me investigates

 

=)

 

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TD-Linux

Whoa! I just realized that these computers are manufactured in my home town of Rochester, Minnesota!

I think I just found myself a new summer job.

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flameo993

I would totally get this if I only had $4000 laying around somewhere. My only problem would be knowing what I can stick in there and what I can't, cuz I like to upgrade part by part

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