Dream Machine 2011: How We Created the Best PC Ever

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Kinetic

I actually screen cap'd that lol.

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rage6689

what size is the blue fan next to the hard drive bay at the front?120mm?

 

 

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pootedhard

3 gtx 590s in SLI 'nuff said

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Dexter243

nice rig but just do not need to run my Ubunta

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luca35101056

Ubuntu? you mean?

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Kinetic

Nice job! I think what I like most about this years dream machine is that it actually seems attainable and practical, unlike last years -impressive- monster.

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xolinlevh

How very...un-impressive. Wheres the crazy CPU? Sure its overclocked right now but the Dream Machine is supposed to be off-the-wall crazy, last years was 2 Xeons. Heck this dosent even have Windows 7 Ulitmate...

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elmaizal

So MaxPC just sold it self to Transformers. Expected a lot more ... 

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garydolman

I'm So glad I am able to read this article BEFORE my Frigging magazine arrives in the mail.

Remind me again why I subscribe??????

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livebriand

Why use Win7 Pro instead of Home Premium? Home Premium only supports 16GB RAM, but that's what that board maxes out at, right?

Also, what racing game is that on the 3 monitor setup on page 4? It looks interesting to me.

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handyman315

It appears to be "Need for Speed; Hot Pursuit".

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luca35101056

i feel let down. SAD to see no linux or a m mod case.

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sladeofdark

Where can i get that CASE! i have been waiting on an improved Hard Drive Case for the Cosmos Line Or a MUCH bigger line of Corsairs new case line. It wierd how i can NEVER get it all in one case. its just wierd. the case is almost perfect.. why not better hard drive cage and removable MB tray, and seperate power supply chamber? its not reason why not. anyway does this Prototype Cosmos II exist yet?

 

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sladeofdark

Where can i get that CASE! i have been waiting on an improved Hard Drive Case for the Cosmos Line Or a MUCH bigger line of Corsairs new case line. It wierd how i can NEVER get it all in one case. its just wierd. the case is almost perfect.. why not better hard drive cage and removable MB tray, and seperate power supply chamber? its not reason why not. anyway does this Prototype Cosmos II exist yet?

 

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rjohnson11

If you really want to see a great PC build I think this is it:

 

http://www.evga.com/forums/fb.ashx?m=1115259

 

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gr3atl10n

I bet its a dust magnet.

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deadlift1

+1  Maybe they should start contracting out the Dream Machine builds from now on?

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gr3atl10n

*AHEM* A Reader CONTEST to get the go ahead for a budget less wonder. And not by design. By drawing.

Please.

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Wingzero_x

What I really like about this years dream machine is it is built around an obtainable CPU, and while one may have make sacrifices in mobo. numbers and capicities of SSDs and HDDs, numbers, or types GPU's. case..and a few other odds and ends it is possible to build a close proximity of this at a fraction of the price. I think we should have some fun with this by using the base 2600K, exchanging the hardware till be can get this affordable to all but the poorest Linux user. After all who really needs 3 $2300 monitors?

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smashingpumpin

Oh so that's what Bumblebee's flattened decapitated head looks like on the inside.... Neato

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zioburosky13

For some reason, I am attracted to the color scheme of the DM2011...

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Rift2

Yellow and black are the most contrasting colors in Nature.

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Wingzero_x

I can tell you're not a graphic artist. Black only truly exists in the absorbsion of all light. So white which is the reflection of all light would be the contrasting color. Though really neither black nor white are colors. If you look at the color wheel you'll see violet is the complimentry/contrasting color of yellow.

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Keith E. Whisman

Well Mr. Expert, will you at least admit the colors do look striking in a pleasing kind of way?

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Wingzero_x

Of course, my favorite hockey team used to wore same colors. (though now they were the "vegas" gold and black.

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frohammer

How is it that the 2010 pc beats out the 2011 in a few benchmarks??  like kixofmyg0t said, part of me wonders how this year's pc would compare if it used the dual cpu platform from 2010 but with updated cards, ram, and SSDs...

Also, I'd be interested if you guys showed how much power these builds draw during idle and heavy use.  Is a 1500W psu necessary?  I feel like a better approach would be to calculate power usage and then select the power supply that is most efficient at supplying that amount of power.  This would minimize the heat generation and noise output, and would probably save $$ too.  Just a thought.

Overall nice build!

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kixofmyg0t

Exactly. The tests show.....DM'11 is faster in graphics...well duh 580's are more powerful than 480's. But DM'10 still slays in raw CPU performance. Having 24 freakin threads will do that yeah. 

 

Seriously we all need to call them out. Shove 3 580's and 2 Vertex 3's in DM'10 and lets have a rematch. I'm also gonna go ahead and call it now that DM'10 will still put up a fight against DM'12 and even the Zero Point '13. 

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joeyjr

8 total threads at 4.8 GHz how many do you need. it beats 2010 for less money. everyone has an oppinion and nobody has the same exact dream about what the ulttment system should be. sometimes the hardware is not ready for the next one when we want it, but it keeps us coming back for more. But when it does come togather, man  what a day that will be. so I will keep dreaming for that day.

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kixofmyg0t

It beats DM'10 in graphics and SSD speeds.....because it has faster GPU's and SSD's.... How much do we "need"? Well when MAXIMUMPC builds a "Dream" machine...we kinda expect "MAXIMUM" performance. 

 

It's true that everyone has a different idea and all that, I repsect that. I just think(as many others do) that this years DM isn't as awesome as last years..... A whole YEAR went by and the only thing that's a clear upgrade are the GPU's and SSD's.

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TerribleToaster

 

It also beats DM'10 in CPU speeds. Because it's a newer CPU that's overclocked more than they could with the DM'10. The only thing DM'11 didn't beat DM'10 in is amount of memory and things that relied on having many parallel cores. The only difference this makes in real performance is in things like video encoding. For gaming and the likes, a faster clockspeed is better than multiple cores and your need for ram (with excepting of video ram, with is on the GPU's anyway) isn't all that high.

You also left out the fact that the mobo is newer. If you upgraded DM'10 with the same GPU's and SSD's you might not see much of a difference between GPU performance, but in SSD performance, the Gigabyte board would have a noticeable speed advantage. 

"It's true that everyone has a different idea and all that, I repsect that. I just think(as many others do) that this years DM isn't as awesome as last years....." 

Overall, DM'11 out performs DM'10 despite using half as many cores. So if you have complaints, they aren't about performance but some other criteria which is your choice.

" A whole YEAR went by and the only thing that's a clear upgrade are the GPU's and SSD's." 

And the CPU speeds, and the mobo, and the RAID controllers, and the mass storage drives, and the computer case in terms of looks and functionality, and the water cooling kit, and the upgradeability of the whole system, and the host of peripheral devices.

If we just ignore those things, this machine is totally worse than 2010's DM.

 

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kixofmyg0t

LOL dude the water cooling kit IS NOT an upgrade this year. They used a canned water cooling kit, which doesn't make it "bad"....but its deff not better than a custom kit.

It beats it in in CPU speed? Ummm yeah it's clocked higher....what's ur point? So a Pentium 4 from years ago overclocked to 5Ghz(with the help of liquid nitrogen) *IS* "faster".....if you're measuring just clock speeds....which is what it seems you are. DM'10 beat DM'11 in MainConcept and embarrassed DM'11 3Dmark Vantage CPU. How? Because DM'10 simply has more raw CPU horsepower. 

I'm saying put this years GPU's and SSD's in DM'10, rerun then benchmarks and watch DM'10 mop the floor with DM'11.....and all it took was a slight upgrade of 5 parts. 

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TerribleToaster

"LOL dude the water cooling kit IS NOT an upgrade this year. They used a canned water cooling kit, which doesn't make it "bad"....but its deff not better than a custom kit."

I'd take the all-in-one, no maintinece, easily re-configurable kit over the custom set up that requires constant maintience and tweaking for what would amount to, at the very best, ~10% better cooling, One of thier goals they stated was that they wanted this upgradable so that when they could get their hands on the next gen stuff coming out later this year, they could upgrade. Can't do that with a custom kit. Other thing to remember is they are only cooling one CPU this time around, not two. A custom kit would have been pointless expense that would have made the whole computer more annoying to care for. 

"It beats it in in CPU speed? Ummm yeah it's clocked higher....what's ur point? So a Pentium 4 from years ago overclocked to 5Ghz(with the help of liquid nitrogen) *IS* "faster".....if you're measuring just clock speeds....which is what it seems you are. "

the i7 2600k has a suprior architecture to the xeons in DM'10. So it is nothing like a old CPU being overclocked higher. It's a newer CPU being overclocked higher and in non-parallel applications, where multiple cores have no advantage, a more advanced architecture combine with a faster clock speed is going to win. Seeing as the majority of applications, particularly many games, are far more suited for running on single cores rather than mutli cores, the 2600k has the advantage.

"DM'10 beat DM'11 in MainConcept and embarrassed DM'11 3Dmark Vantage CPU. How? Because DM'10 simply has more raw CPU horsepower."

No, it has less horsepower, just more engines. A very important difference.

"I'm saying put this years GPU's and SSD's in DM'10, rerun then benchmarks and watch DM'10 mop the floor with DM'11.....and all it took was a slight upgrade of 5 parts. "

GPU's the same, there would only be an advantage for DM'10 in parrallel applications, otherwise DM'11 would still win. DM'10 would only win here where it can make use of having more threads.

SSD's the same and this year still wins. The Gigabyte board beats the older EVGA board. It simply has a better controller.

So even if you upgraded all the parts of DM'10, it still wouldn't mop the floor with DM'11 in real performance (though it might beat it overall).

But regardless, you are complaining that DM'11 isn't as good as DM'10 if you upgraded DM'10 parts to DM'11 parts? So if you are allowing for upgrading, then you must also allow that the DM'11 was designed to be compatible with the new stuff not out yet. DM'10 doesn't have the same upgrade scalability as DM'11 so as time goes on, DM'11 will be able to create a widening gap between it and DM'10 with parts we'll probably see in DM'12 and DM'13 (maybe even DM'14). And if you don't consider this a fair comparison, then you can't compare an upgraded DM'10 to use parts found in DM'11 to DM'11 as it is the same thing.

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joeyjr

Ivy bridge upgrade path and yes you need all that power

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Lepton

Hmm, I'd rather buy a car.  Useless exercise if you ask me.

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MrPC2010

But some peoples already have cars... :p

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gruvsf

Still sad that the $350 Gigabyte mobo requires a 3rd party chip to give the DM2011 machine USB 3.0. Thanks Intel!

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kixofmyg0t

I'm a AMD fan, I've made that clear multiple times. I'm still not gonna hate on MaxPC for DM11. It *IS* a impressive machine yes, but I still think DM10(i'm going by years here) was more "MAXIMUM" PC than this years.

 

Seriously the only real thing that DM11 has over DM10 is updated GPU's and SSD's. I wanna see what DM10 would do with the tri 580's and Vertex 3's.

 

Answer? It would slaughter DM11. 

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TerribleToaster

 

While you are right about the GPUs, you seem to have forgotten that the DM 11, even though it had less cores than DM 10, its cores were newer and overclocked faster (and could be quite easily OC'd faster still). This mean that applications that can't take advantage of those additional cores from DM 10 (the vast majority of applications) would run faster on DM 11 than on DM 10. Also, the SSD(s) upgrade was able to get those 1 Gb/s read speeds due to the mobo/controller setup. You install the same SSD's on the old machine and you won't get as good of results even with the same setup (you will still get good results though).

 

Analogy time:

18 wheelers have some of the most powerful engines on the road, completely outclassing most sports cars in terms of torque and power. However, you'll never see one in a sports car. Why? A sports car isn't a heavy hauler, it only needs so much torque before any additional torque is a waste compared to what you lose in speed with that increased weight.

MPC did a great job, in my opinion, of showing the difference between a heavy duty freight truck (DM 10) and a high performance sports car (DM 11).

 

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Zallomallo

That must suck being a stock fan.

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kixofmyg0t

Icwatudidthere.

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Kaze

Guys, it's barracuda, not barracube.

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Rooke

The case with the paint job only cost $350?   I find that hard to believe. 

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surfinsam

im pretty sure just the case by itself was $350

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thegreatgoat

Seems like you guys didn't proof the links at all. The SilverStone link is wrong. It should be

 

http://www.silverstonetek.com/

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nedwards

A lot of final proofing is done on the final laid-out page for print; they aren't always tracked back to the text document on the server, which we use later to build the web story. Fixed both links, though; thanks for pointing this one out. 

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szore

The tech trailer link for Unreal is dead too...   http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/bit.ly/gLNMXo

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Keith E. Whisman

You said the only thing missing from this machine is the sweet smell of exhaust. Your also missing a sound card but that is the least of the problems for this Dream Machine.

I mean it looks great and you guys did a great job building it and writing it up, but you guys failed in the whole Dream Machine idea. This should be just an article on what you can do with current gen parts. Build a high end gaming machine, price no object.

This is not a dream machine and you guys know it.

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Phrish

This mobo won't allow for any sound cards. Sorry, but this puppy is restricted to on-board audio only. That heat sink immediately behind the pci-e 1x slot won't allow the insertion of any full size pci-e cards. IOW, it's basically useless.

Could put a 5 YO audio board in a lower PCI slot if you want to give up a GPU though...

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Keith E. Whisman

I find your choice of Air Cooled GTX 580 cards disturbing since you could just use 3X EVGA GeForce GTX 580 FTW Hydro Copper 2 cards that come with high end water blocks pre installed from the factory. These puppies are single slot cards too. 

An older Core I7 Quad Core 2600K processor for MaximumPC is neither new nor is it maximum at all. Come on guys, this is about the third time you produced a disappointing Dream Machine and this time you can't blame it on Will Smith. 

Gordon how could you let this happen? This so called dream machine had better make it into your rants in the next NoBS podcast if there ever is one. 

No Bulldozer? No next gen graphics cards? What happened to all the engineering samples you guys used to get for Dream machines?

The case is nice and looks like an awesome third or more generation Cosmos case. 

I'm not saying I wouldn't want this system, I'm just saying it could have been much better and perhaps with hardware not yet available. 

The definition of a Dream Machine used to be a computer that is made up of future parts not currently available. Parts that are literally what dreams are made of. This system doesn't even come close., I can build one of these or have one built by any number of boutique builders right now or even a few months ago and with higher end parts like a 6 core processor. 

 

As for the magazine, I'm not complaining because I shopped around and got a 12month subscription for $6bucks without the CD.

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afunyun

Bulldozer is projected to only be *as fast* as the current sandy bridge's. Why use that instead of a proc that's been out and has a bunch of enthusiast boards out for it now?

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