BUILD Conference: What We Know Now About Windows 8

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janenobelk285

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darrennevares

Wow just when you think MS couldn't copy someone else or get worse they go and create this crappy ass UI, touchscreens are good and all but a regular keyboard and mous will most likely be what everyone is going to use, second they kinda stole some ideas from Ubuntu with trying to make it look like it''s for tablets but put it on a desktop, the only difference is that Ubuntu makes it work. I know it is not even in beta yet but come on Microsoft is basically crap, save some time and download something open-source like a Linux Distro or if ur on a tablet try MeeGo or Jolicloud. Never sureneder to Microsoft even go buy a Mac which to me is better than Microsoft, but also how can this new UI effect gaming on a desktop? I choose Linux over anything for right now, I use to be a big Microsoft fanboy but Vista dissapointed me and WIn7 is alright I guess just it is impossible to run on older comptuers.

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Wojtas

WINDOWS 8 Will be the bigger fail in computer world Microsoft hire morons with out head and design.The whole look will be bad. People will have to learn step by step No more start button after log in You will go to option and setup your self.Win 8 will look like cell phone more then OS Win 8 will have touch option You must going to buy new screen HD Touch .Win 8 you must have Internet connection with that you will not do any job 85%  is Internet you going need internet more then now No more dail up at win8 poor people will not going use any more computer with win 8 USA still do not put prices down with internet 1MB for $20.  Will not resemble anything of WIN People are used to Win XP WIN Vista Win 7 who know how long people going to learn someting new Microsoft did only good job at drivers hardware zero design Look at SAMSUNG Korean company They start do better and better job. Win 9 and Win 10 I think that will be better.

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Luminosity47

How can I take this wall of text seriously when you're obviously craving attention with bold text and can't even type with proper grammar? Tisk tisk...

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ShyLinuxGuy

Ok, I downloaded this a few hours ago and tried it for about half an hour...it SUCKS. How is this going to be feasible on a regular PC? (Come on, how is a touch-enabled desktop or laptop useful???) No regular Start menu??? WTF?!?! This is going to be WORSE than Vista ever was or ever will be. Only thing is, it won't be because of performance/HW issues...it's because of the UI. I can see a lot of downgrades to Win7 already if this isn't remediated (read: released as a TABLET-only version), and it will make Vista and Windows Me look like a freaking success compared to this.

I really question as to why they won't take what they have here and make it *strictly a tablet OS* and for NOTHING else, and create a desktop/notebook OS that just improves upon Windows 7.

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DoctorX

To disable the Metro UI and keep the ribbon, etc, simply rename c:\windows\system32\shsxs.dll to something else and reboot.

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big_montana

Do you not realise thi si snot even close to being a Beat relase yet (about 6 months away from Beta), and you are already complaining? Half the feature sets probably are not included, not ready or not up to par yet or do work as intended. This is what is to be expected for an early build version.

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DoctorX

the ui is set and will not be changed according to ms.  that is why we are complaining.

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legacy2013

Why do most of you not realize this is PRE-BETA SOFTWARE.

 

It's not meant to make people happy yet, there's things missing in the release version that we can see in the BUILD Conference build.

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DoctorX

because they already said that ui is set and WILL NOT be changed.

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Cregan89

When have they ever said that? 

Of course it will change. This is a developer preview... Not even a beta! Go look at the beta for XP, Vista and 7 compared to their final releases. The differences in UI are massive.

If they've said anything even remotely along those lines, it was that, from a developer's standpoint, the general UI and API for Metro Apps won't change. This is simply a means to give developers a level of confidence that Metro Apps they develop now will require very little, if any, code changes to be compatible with the release version of Windows 8.

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nodice2014

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Zoandar

The very first hurdle I encountered upgrading one PC on our LAN full of Windows XP SP3 rigs to Windows 7 was trying to share files, as in send them from Win XP into a shared folder on the Win7 PC, or read the files in that folder from an XP rig. I hate the mandatory 'public folder' BS. I want to be able to access ANY folder on the several partitions of hard drives in the Win7 rig from an XP PC. But Win7 is so over-bloated with security issues it won't allow that. So that is what I would like to see changed. Also give a logged in administrator full 'permissions' access so he doesn't have to battle those restrictions constantly while trying to get some work done. An logged in and verified administrator should have total access to everything.

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big_montana

Sounds like you do not have your GPO's configured porperly for Windows 7

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someuid

Charms?

Good grief.  MS, just sepearte your GUI from your underlying OS.  I don't want all this new GUI stuff that is phone and tablet oriented.

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big_montana

Though the Start Screen is made for touch, it works just fine for keyboard-and-mouse users whose PCs lack touchscreens. Just start typing, and it instantly brings up the search interface, looking for applications as you type. The Windows key brings you back to the Start Screen from wherever you are, and keyboard shortcuts abound (over 200). Windows-D, for example, opens the traditional desktop interface. Move the mouse to the lower-left corner of the screen, and the five “Charms” of Windows 8 (Search, Share, Start, Devices, and Settings) pop up. The scrollwheel moves you left and right through your screens of tiles, but scrollbars also appear along the side and bottom when necessary.

A clean boot of Windows 8 should use less RAM and CPU resources than Windows 7 currently does. Microsoft illustrated how the first Windows 7 release used about 540 MB of memory while Windows 8 uses slightly more than half that, or 281 MB, which means better performance on existing laptops, and extending the lif on older ones such as netbooks.

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warptek2010

I could not agree more. I hope we have the ability to turn off all that crap and possibly more.

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damicatz

Allowing people to remotely access files using a Windows Live ID sounds like a really good idea until you realize that most people are idiots that do stupid things like use dumb passwords and store all their passwords in a Word document. Now, anytime someone's Hotmail is hacked, the hackers could gain access to their files; perhaps replace a few with trojan horses or worms.   While synchronization is useful, in the hands of idiots, it's just another method for hackers to add more zombies to their botnets.  This feature needs mandatory two-factor authentication and strong password requirements.

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Bullwinkle J Moose

Allowing people to remotely access files using a Windows Live ID sounds like a really stupid idea until you realize that most people are idiots that do stupid things like use remote access

I can list hundreds of examples of how "modern" computers are being used as a spyware platform and provide proof that that is exactly what they were designed for 

Can YOU, Bill Gates, the NSA or any other "Genius" in the computing community provide 1 (JUST ONE) example of how the modern computer is "NOT" being used as a spyware platform and provide "Proof" that ANY computer sold today is SECURE FOR THE END USER WHEN USED ON THE INTERNET ?

Why must your O.S. be Closed Source?

Why must the Antivirus Companies disable our firewalls and allow "ANY" software on "OUR" system to connect to the Internet without the END USERS authorization?

Why can't we get a write protection "Hardware" switch on our portable hard drives?

Why do Corporate Monopolies add malware to Torrents and then claim it was hackers that prevented "YOU" from pirating software from those same Monopolies?

Why do the Feds pose as "Anonymous" hackers to attack the Arizona Police after Arizona rejected the Fed position on Immigration?

O.K., that one was easy...

To kill 2 birds with one stone! 

Why was Windows 7 coded to save and send encryption passwords over the Internet whenever the end user is using a truley "Secure" encryption product?

Why are ALL AES encryption products back doored, yet the Feds are publicly screaming that they can't get into these same encryption products that they helped design?

Can ANYONE provide ONE example of how a modern computer protects YOUR privacy when connected to the EvilNet ?

JUST ONE!

Why does every single example point to spyware yet not one single example points to securing the privacy of the end user?

And finally,

Why do you believe everything Evil Dictators tell you?

Are you really that stupid or do you have a stake in maintaining the spyware platform called the Internet?

Personally, I don't believe anyone is THAT stupid!

How can these people be smart enough to build this Global Spyware Platform, yet be too stupid to understand that its spyware?

 

 

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win7fanboi

wow thats a tall claim. These are the thoughts that come to my mind :

- There are open source OS

- Internet is neither good or evil, it is a way to move packets. I wouldn't be surprised to see it used to spy on people but so can any other medium of communication (cell phones, etc).

- Hardware write protect switch. Hmm... interesting concept. There is always truecrypt though.

- Where did you get that all the AES products have backdoors? I am curious.

- And how do you know that Win 7 is sending encrypted passwords over the internet? Any packet capture sofware can catch that behavior.

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Nimrod

For the same reason people watch their propaganda TV ProCoIntel infomercials and 9/11 boogyman lies. Because the globalists put it there.

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Nimrod

For the same reason people watch their propaganda TV ProCoIntel infomercials and 9/11 boogyman lies. Because the globalists put it there.

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DoctorX

this is the first version I have to say I hate.  I been playing with it for 3 hours and for a desktop power user, it sucks.  The underpinnings seem to be a big improvement. However there needs to be a way for us power users to go back to the classic desktop.  and no i am not talking about win+d.  I am talking start menu.  For a tablet, this works great.  For desktop, no. I am officially staying with win7 unless this changes.  First beta since whisler I will not be using.  All the power user fuctions are missing or very hard to get to. *sigh*

 

 

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Cregan89

"First beta since whisler I will not be using."

That's really funny since there is no beta version of Windows 8 yet. F*** you people are stupid. I knew Microsoft releasing a "Developer Preview" to the public and not through MSDN would haunt them.

Microsoft has confirmed MULTIPLE times that the Windows 8 Developer Preview is stripped down, contains bugs, and is in no way a representation of the final state of Windows 8 as they still have a lot of work to do and changes to make.

This release is merely a development platform to give developers a chance to begin developing Metro based applications for Windows 8 prior to it's release. 

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grexxman

The Start Menu needs to be more of a real choice in the OS.  Currently accessing the Start Menu from the Desktop (hitting the start icon or hitting the Windows button) brings up the Start screen in Metro Style which means the OS has to switch back and forth between the Desktop and the Metro Style Start Screen.  It's not too big of a deal but it makes it difficult to quickly access programs especially if you need to right-click on them and send them to your desktop or taskbar since there is no context menu in the Metro Start Screen except for Pin to Taskbar and some basic "Advanced" options.  I feel like a simple solution to this would be an option in the properites of the Start Menu such as a check box that says "Use Metro Style Start Menu".

Boot times are significantly improved from what I've seen.  I have installed the Dev Prev on an older netbook of mine and I can already see an improvement (even after using the shutdown /s /full /t 0 command).  It's not exactly white knuckle fast but for a 5 year old netbook, it's fast enough.

Closing programs is also another issue that I feel will become more of an issue as people continue to test the OS.  Currently if you open a program in Metro it remains open (however, in a "Suspend" mode) and there is no way to close it short of killing the process.

All in all it's really fun playing around on it :)

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don2041

Iv been playing with it for a couple of hours and I agree with you 100%, this thing in its present state sucks for power users

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big_montana

Sure it sucks right now, the desktop is not complete, the OS as a whole is not complete. There are power tools available fo rthe power user, and open apps while not being used will consume zero processor cycles, thoug they will still consume minimal memory. Check here for more info on power tools http://goo.gl/HJ2DV

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