Budget Badass Buyer’s Guide -- Updated Prices and Parts For October 2008

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Major Hurtin

O.K.  I'm looking at pricing a "budget" system all through NewEgg.  I thought I'd settle on lookin at the Q6600 for the processor.  I was excited that we could finally get deliveries to Canada from Newegg.  Well, I'm not excited anymore.  When I added the proc. to my cart I got a shock to say the least.  This is what I saw.

 


Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail

Item #: N82E16819115017
Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy

 

$229.99

Subtotal:
$229.99

Handling:

$30.06

Calculate Shipping
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UPS Standard -- $11.75UPS Expedited -- $39.32

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Shipping:

$12.97A $30 handling fee as well as $12.97 for shipping.  Bye bye Newegg, you aren't getting my business.  Anyone know what gives?  $43 extra to get a processor.  Maybe duty?

 

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bear

Handling fees include Canadian sales taxes paid at the border on your behalf, in accordance with
the following table. Please refer to the included table and diagram below for the applicable tax rates for you province.
Tax is applied to the items in your order as well as the $1.00 USD customs brokerage fee.
Tax is not applied to the cost of shipping.

Province (Code)GSTPSTHST

Alberta (AB)
5.00 %
N/A
N/A

British Columbia (BC)
5.00 %
7.00 %
N/A

Manitoba (MB)
5.00 %
7.00 %
N/A

New Brunswick (NB)
N/A
N/A
13.00 %

Newfoundland & Labrador (NL)
N/A
N/A
13.00 %

Northwest Territories (NT)
5.00 %
N/A
N/A

Nova Scotia (NS)
N/A
N/A
13.00 %

Nunavut (NU)
5.00 %
N/A
N/A

Ontario (ON)
5.00 %
8.00 %
N/A

Prince Edward Island (PE)
5.00 %
N/A
N/A

Quebec (QC)
5.00 %
7.875 % *
N/A

Saskatchewan (SK)
5.00 %
N/A
N/A

Yukon Territory (YT)
5.00 %
N/A
N/A

N/A = not applicable

* Effective QST rate after application of QST to GST as required (7.5% QST rate plus (7.5% QST on 5% GST, 0.375%) = 7.875%.)

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lil insn3

Would it be possible to go with a PC Power & Cooling silencer 750 watts for only $10 more? If not why wouldn't i be able to. Also what would be a good substitute for the motherboard because i can't seem to find it on newegg.com.

 

learning, please don't slander me with crap

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fnordfnord

@theevildarkmage

I recommend the GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P. Newegg sells it for about $100 after rebate. It uses the newer Intel P45 chipset.

 

In the guide I would replace some of the above items with these:

Antec nine hundred case
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P motherboard
Intel Q6600 processor
Corsair Dominator 2x2gb 1066 ram(only if you are overclocking if not you can get the 800 version)
Ati HD4870 graphics card

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theevildarkmage

Newegg.com no longer sells the MSI P35 Neo2-FR. Could you please recommend a new motherboard for your next build? Also will there be a update in time for Christmas?

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schuck116

MS Vista Home Premium99.99PC Power&Cooling 750W124.99Antec 1200179.99LG Blu-Ray/HD Combo139.99Patriot DDR2 1066 - 8 GB 169.98EVGA nForce 780i SLI249.99Samsung SH-S223Q DVD27.99EVGA 896-P3-1260-AR GTX260259.991TB Samsung HD103UJ114.99Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550304.89MS live.com rebate searches-121.22 1451.58

Add in the $900 Dell 3007WFP-HC I picked up, and this thing is rockin!

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joeyll

I think a much better quality, better stability and better looking MB for this rig is the
EVGA 123-YW-E175-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 750i FTW SLI ATX Intel Motherboard  

Its gonna cost about $40.00 more but you'll get a $20.00 mail in rebate.  You're getting the 750i chipset and this board has an awesome northbridge cooler that comes on it. Just my opinion...

 

Joey 

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dqbeat

i think it would be better w/ a quad core processor and no monitor?

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brokenmoth08

Make an AMD budget Machine!

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bigjoe2269

I feel under 1k for a pretty good gaming machine is a good deal and for just everyday web browsing and doing household stuff you can spend under 500 bucks

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komaya

I think Maximum PC uses the term "Budget PC" too lossely.  The general definition of a budget PC should be something that almost anyone can afford but still deliver performace to run and play most applications and games out there.  I understand that when you're building a PC, people tend to get overzealous but we read this magazine for guidance so that we don't have to do the research.

Here is what a "Real" budget PC should be.  Keep in mind that the below configuration can be had for less depending on how much you shop around or buy from more than one vendor.  I would think that people who are interested in Budget PC would shop around (or wait for sales)  and buy parts from various vendors that offer the best price.  The items below are as of 10/19/2008 and all from Newegg.  An explanation of choices also follow after the Total Price.

Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price

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Antec Sonata III 500 Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply


Antec Sonata III 500 Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply - Retail

Item #: N82E16811129024
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

-$20.00 Instant

 

$149.99
$129.99

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SAMSUNG Spinpoint F1 HD502lJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive


SAMSUNG Spinpoint F1 HD502lJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

Item #: N82E16822152098
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

 
$69.99

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EVGA 512-P3-N861-TR GeForce 9600 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card


EVGA 512-P3-N861-TR GeForce 9600 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

Item #: N82E16814130393
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

-$5.00 Instant
$30.00 Mail-in Rebate

 

$104.99
$99.99

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CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5


CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual
Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5 - Retail

Item #: N82E16820145184
Return Policy: Memory (Modules, USB) Return Policy
-$5.00 Instant
$25.00 Mail-in Rebate

 

$74.99
$69.99

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MSI P35 Neo2-FR LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard


MSI P35 Neo2-FR LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

Item #: N82E16813130098
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

-$5.00 Instant

 

$119.99
$114.99

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Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 Wolfdale 2.53GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7200


Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 Wolfdale 2.53GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7200 - Retail

Item #: N82E16819115052
Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy

 
$119.99
Subtotal: $604.94

 

Antec Sonata III- I've personally used this case on several builds and it's a simple but very effective with good cooling and accessibility.  It also comes with a good 500W P/S.  I've seen sales on these for somewhere around $50-60.  At that price it's a bargain!

Samsung Spinpoint F1 500GB Hard Drive - THe Samsung F1 drives have been getting numerous praises, and at $69, you can't beat it.

EVGA 9600GT 512MB 256-Bit - I personally use this in my main rig.  Granted, I don't play Crysis on high settings, but this card is on par with 8800GT and runs majority of games out there without a hitch.  The "Key" word being "majority".

Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2-800 - Memory is pretty much the same across the board with most reputable manufacturers.  Almost all carry life-time warranty.  I personally prefer Corsair.  If I found another brand like Patriot for $20 less, I'd probably purchase that.

MSI Neo2-FR - I agree with Maximum PC that this is helluva motherboard.  It is build with quality components, overclock extremely well, and is reliable.

Intel C2D E7200 CPU - This is a bargain for a well performing CPU that also overclocks well.  This will run at 3.0GHz stable on stock cooling although your success may vary.  Why pay $250 for a Quad core when most applications out in the market isn't designed to use multi-core?  As far as gaming, if you've read reviews from any hardware review site, you should know that 2 core vs. 4 core makes negligible difference.

 As you can see, the price put us at around $604.  If you live outside California, you won't be paying taxes.   If you count the MIR ($55) the final price is $549.

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FascistNation

I find it ridiculous that you hand gys $1,500 and call it budget. Darned few real world buyers would agree. $500 including tax and shipping (without a monitor, with keyboard/mouse and Vista). Now that would be a budget.

 

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MrOps

You people are out of your minds. Of course you can out together a "pc" for $500 or $800 or $1000. But that is not the point of this series of updates. For one, it is called a "budget badass" aimed at power user/gamer, not just a functioning personal computer to surf web, watch video and play WoW and Peggle. Those computers can certainly be made for cheaper but in no way are entitled to the term "budget badass" they would be closer to just "budget pc"

The other thing is, they are not telling you to go and put this rig together. They are simply putting forth a template of compatible parts that are rated for performance, while leaving it up to the user to say "i'll go with a gtx 260 or 4870, move down to a 500 gb hard drive, skip the soundcard, and then plop a velociraptor in there." Which is a perfectly sensible idea for that particular user.

 Anyway, get off their back about the budget badass and start researching and building a rig however the hell you want it and leave this template for the rest of us

 Ops

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bigjoe2269

ok got my stuff and slapping to togtehr - also got a 21mm fan for the front for $6 shipped free from newegg and there are a total of $90 in rebates bringing my cost under 1k -I already have my 22" monitor and g15 keyboard and my trusty mx 510 mouse - have older speakers too klipsh 4.1 setup

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russ2650

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail.........$70
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - OEM..$180
MSI P45 Neo3-FR LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail.............$90
ASUS EAH4870/HTDI/1G Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16....$270
PC Power & Cooling S61EPS 610W Continuous @ 40°C EPS12V - Retail.............$90
CORSAIR XMS2 DHX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 - Retail..........$57
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s - OEM.....$80
SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223F - OEM.......................$26
OCZ OCZTVEND2 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail................................$40

This is my ideal budget badass. ~$900

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bigjoe2269

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that Linux guy

I noticed you recommened Ubuntu Linux as a potential OS for this rig. I'd like to note that the sound systems in the Linux kernel (ALSA or OSS) don't fully support the Creative X-Fi series sound cards. Any other mainstream card and you're fine. Auzentech and HT Omega all have great cards using C-Media 8xxx audio processors. And they have full Linux compatability to boot!

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Keith E. Whisman

The xfi problem is a driver problem that is actively being solved as we type. I've heard of some success. I'm awaiting success with the 400mhz Xfi Extreme gamer cards. Right now the Extreme Music works but that's basically an enhanced Audigy Processor.

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da_samman

Actually, OEM means that it comes straight from the factory.  In the case of a CPU, it means jsut the CPU and no heatsink.

 Sincerely yours, from FOB Striker, Iraq,

SGT Samuel E. McClard II

Life's a journey, enjoy the ride!!

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Keith E. Whisman

Is there anyway that we can hold off on the CPU and work a little overtime and with more money in hand go purchase a C2Q Q9550 or faster or slightly slower CPU. I just don't believe in buying a CPU that is cut down so much. 6megs of cache when for just a little bit of extra cash you can get 12megs and a 2.83ghz or faster CPU.

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da_samman

The components individually run about $100 more at Newegg.com, so yes it is not too bad at all, except that the CPU is OEM, so you will need to buy a heatsink/fan separately. All in all, it still isn't too shabby. You could use the $100 you save towards a TwinOrb heatsink and probably still have a little left.

Sincerely yours, from FOB Striker, Iraq,

SGT Samuel E. McClard II

Life's a journey, enjoy the ride!!

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brokenmoth08

Thank you sir. I was planning on buying a seprate heatsink anyway. I wasn't sure if OEM was a way of saying non-overclockable. I think I'll wait untill I7 comes out and the costs drop.

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da_samman

OEM means straight from the factory.  In the case of a CPU, it means without a heatsink.

Sincerely yours, from FOB Striker, Iraq,

SGT Samuel E. McClard II

Life's a journey, enjoy the ride!!

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brokenmoth08

Thank you again sir

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Bender2000

I came up with a list last week while planning a PC to play Starraft 2 (I got time now) and came up with a similar rig. What you haven't done in two years is set up a HTPC based on Vista. I'm really interested in what the vidcard you'd use. I'm taking my current box (Athlon X2 4200, 2GB DDR2 800, Elite Group AM2+ Mobo with hybrid SLI, 500w PSU, Vista Home Prem.) and stuffing it into a HTPC case. Its time to revisit that setup.

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da_samman

Maximum PC may want to start going to Newegg more often. I just went there and they said this is a deactivated item, emaning they may not carry it anymore. Any other suggestions for a mobo for this system would be greatly appreciated.  Also, won't there be issues with trying to have 4 GB in XP Pro?

Sincerely yours, from FOB Striker, Iraq,

SGT Samuel E. McClard II

Life's a journey, enjoy the ride!!

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brokenmoth08

If you have the 64 bit version, there shouldn't be.

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da_samman

No, I use the 32-bit because drivers are more available and so is software compatibility, unless 32 bit software can run on 64-bit OSes.

Sincerely yours, from FOB Striker, Iraq,

SGT Samuel E. McClard II

Life's a journey, enjoy the ride!!

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mlee19

cant you read?! they arent using seagate, they are using a SAMSUNG HDD!

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russ2650

Seagate's prependicular recording that MPC loves so much as well as Samsung's Spinpoints are both very faulty drives. I would stay clear of both, but you're right it's Samsung.

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marshall834

I guess I'm not the only one who thinks "budget" means under 1K. I think Budget Badass is

good at 1.5K, but MaxPC should consider a Budget PC under 1K for us who are cheapies, but

still want a decent rig, like me!

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plaskon

Given that our next OS is based on Vista, how well do you suppose this banger would run Windows 7?
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Fuzzmaster

Is it just me, or does Newegg not have this card for $389? Can anyone else find the price quoted?

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dreamreality

It is currently out of stock, but it is on their site for $389 after rebate.

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da_samman

Speaking of out of stock, the motherboard on their parts list for budget badass is not only out of stock, it isn't even listed.  Anyone out there got any ideas for a suitable replacement?

Sincerely yours, from FOB Striker, Iraq,

SGT Samuel E. McClard II

Life's a journey, enjoy the ride!!

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Redeye

Good picks, but it always blows my mind when some people say budget and roll off with $1500 machine.  My idea of budget is under a grand, but still capable of creating pleasurable experiences.  Oh well, good stuff.

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samduhman

I put together a complete system with a gamers requirements who is on a tight budget but still wants the games to look and run well. I did not go dirt cheap. All components had a decent amount of positive reviews.

Intel core 2 dou E7200 and Asus mb

4 gigs of OCZ

250g sata drive

HD 4850 video

Coolermaster case, 600w sli ps, dvd burner

$727 shipped (Newegg)

Still need to tack on OS, monitor, keyboard, mouse etc if they are needed but that gives you a general idea of cost for the core PC.

 This build is what I consider to be a budget gamers pc.

You know what. I just reread the name of the article and we are barking up the wrong tree. The title says budget badass which is what they built, A badass budget system. :)

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russ2650

There is a large difference in price between the Q9300 ($260, Newegg) and the Q6600 ($180). Eighty bucks. I'm betting others will agree when I say the benchmarks do not justify the newer proc's price.
 
I also like the brand new Radeon 4870 with 1GB GDDR5, which has a $300 price tag. The cheapest GTX 280 I can find is a $400 overclocked version. The 280 and 4870 X2 are top of the line and are, I think, out of place in a budget build. See for yourself how the 4870 1GB stacks up against the old 4870 and others: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3415&p=1
 
Couldn't wait for MPC's review! I recommend PowerColor's Radeon HD 4870 1GB PCS+. They overclocked the GPU and memory, but the reason I'm recommending it is the awesome cooling solution they claim runs 10 deg C cooler than other versions (which have been reported to be very hot).
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dreamreality

With the budget badass budget at $1500, we tried to get as close to that price line as possible while trying to squeeze the most amount of performance into it. So while the Q9300 is $80 more than the Q6600, there is still a performance gain. Of course, some would rather save $80 and get the Q6600 and that's fine, but for our build, we tried to push as close to $1500 as possible.

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superdave33

Newegg is running the power supply for 99.99 with a 20.00 MIR and free shipping right now.

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schinkinatror

So you can build a kick ass rig for 1500 dollars, very nice. But how about one for 1000, or a rig that would cost the same as a simple desktop and PS3(400+400=800). Or better yet a machine better than the Crysis warhead machine but for the same cost.

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Springfield45

I guess I am the only one this stupid, but I think I would change the P35 board for a P45.  Asus has a good one with 8 phase power for about $140 at newegg, or the MSI is about $150.  I would offset the price by going with a Radeon 4870 1GB video card, and still come out $60 ahead.  That $60 could go toward next year's purchase of another 4870 for crossfire operation (2 8x pciexpress 2.0 slots give the same bandwidth as 2 16x pciexpress 1.0 slots.)  The performance of the new 1gb cards is impressive, to say the least!

-- An armed man is a free man. --

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russ2650

First, I LOVE the Budget Badass series. Thank you MPC! I really had my heart set on the July update, but now I must reconsider. I like the processor and video card updates, but I do have one concern.

 I simply do not have faith in the reliability of Seagate's perpendicular recording technology. Across the internet, customers are complaining about very high failure rates for the terabyte drives. Technology and manufacturing probably both play a part. Sorry, Seagate, I will not be part of it.

 

*Too bad I mixed up MPC's chosen manufacturer 

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warspite721

Given the lack of multithreading in today's or near-term games, wouldn't a gamer be better off with an E8400/E8500?  It's price (~ $190), solid performance and overclocking ability should make it one of the top choices for a budget gaming rig.

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Digital-Storm

And you sir, are the reason why game developers do not want to move there game technology forward. A game developer looks at the broad. Does more people have duelcore or quadcore. Then they design the game toward that. Nvidia gpu's have Physx on the card too.

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CrimsonKnight13

I think the guide should have the option between Dual & Quad. Your suggestion would work out great for the dual core choice.I have a Q6600 & utilization of each cores varies with the games & apps chosen.

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Pink_ Floyd

I think AMD would have been a better choice for the CPU.  They are cheaper and run faster without the need for overclocking.

 

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